Bad train pictures

[Anonymous]

Wabash,

I know what you mean about the lower mounted lights. I walk out the front door and BAM! I'm overtaken by light and heat. I react much like Kramer did in the Seinfeld episode where he opens his door and the Kenny Rogers Roasters Neon Red is overpwowering his room! One of the best episodes ever! LOL

[Anonymous]

Wabash,

I know what you mean about the lower mounted lights. I walk out the front door and BAM! I'm overtaken by light and heat. I react much like Kramer did in the Seinfeld episode where he opens his door and the Kenny Rogers Roasters Neon Red is overpwowering his room! One of the best episodes ever! LOL

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon


albeit at a lesser amount than if they were mounted on a leading edge...or in this case at the front of the cab. But if the radiant heat from the prime mover is helping to anti-ice or de-ice the working parts, combined with removing it from the leading surface.....that makes more sense to me....

leading edge
anti-ice
de-ice
leading surface

Gee Dan, you sound LIKE a pilot [}:)] [;)] [:p]

lol, I don't like DE-ICE. To me why let the problem "build up" and THEN take care of it. That is why anti-ice has become more popular, it prevents the problem in the first place as you well know. Beside the de-ice boots are a pain to deal with, and care for.

So back to trains . . . the horn away from the front of the loco is basically an "anti-ice" feature. But in this case more of an anti-snow idea. Did't the valve in the horn sometimes freeze in the winter? It seems like I have heard stories about that.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon


albeit at a lesser amount than if they were mounted on a leading edge...or in this case at the front of the cab. But if the radiant heat from the prime mover is helping to anti-ice or de-ice the working parts, combined with removing it from the leading surface.....that makes more sense to me....

leading edge
anti-ice
de-ice
leading surface

Gee Dan, you sound LIKE a pilot [}:)] [;)] [:p]

lol, I don't like DE-ICE. To me why let the problem "build up" and THEN take care of it. That is why anti-ice has become more popular, it prevents the problem in the first place as you well know. Beside the de-ice boots are a pain to deal with, and care for.

So back to trains . . . the horn away from the front of the loco is basically an "anti-ice" feature. But in this case more of an anti-snow idea. Did't the valve in the horn sometimes freeze in the winter? It seems like I have heard stories about that.

[wabash1]

On the old sd40s and gp 38s there was a horn mounted on both ends. which ever way you was running is the end the horn blew on. never had problem with snow and ice as you are blowing constantly keeping them clear. then the newer units came out with the horns in the middle .

as far as headlights go i like them up high. having them in the nose is a pain when you walk out the door they are right there in your face hot and blinding. up high there is no problem with seeing and being seen. even on dim these lights are a nussance. in the summer all insects are attrackted to these lights so when you walk out the door your mobbed by the insects ( trust me its best keeping your mouth shut going out the door or something will fly in) .

[wabash1]

On the old sd40s and gp 38s there was a horn mounted on both ends. which ever way you was running is the end the horn blew on. never had problem with snow and ice as you are blowing constantly keeping them clear. then the newer units came out with the horns in the middle .

as far as headlights go i like them up high. having them in the nose is a pain when you walk out the door they are right there in your face hot and blinding. up high there is no problem with seeing and being seen. even on dim these lights are a nussance. in the summer all insects are attrackted to these lights so when you walk out the door your mobbed by the insects ( trust me its best keeping your mouth shut going out the door or something will fly in) .

[Mookie]

Since we are on the subject of horns - does anyone know what the old Burlington covered wagons had for a horn. I would like to see about getting a recording of one and don't know what to look for. Also a good recording of old steam whistles, and sounds of trains running - w/o anything else included. Any ideas? Don't want to just order and then not like it.

Mook

[Mookie]

Since we are on the subject of horns - does anyone know what the old Burlington covered wagons had for a horn. I would like to see about getting a recording of one and don't know what to look for. Also a good recording of old steam whistles, and sounds of trains running - w/o anything else included. Any ideas? Don't want to just order and then not like it.

Mook

[M636C]

dharmon,

Certainly, the engine heat was the reason I was given for that location.

And I've been trying to remember my RAAF Squadron numbers (I was only directly involved with the F/A-18s), so I have to guess - do No 10 fly AP-3C Orions?

But in general, the RAAF combine a really easygoing approach off duty with really professional flying. In the RAN we are just jealous of the quality accommodation they seem to arrange when away from home base!

Peter

[M636C]

dharmon,

Certainly, the engine heat was the reason I was given for that location.

And I've been trying to remember my RAAF Squadron numbers (I was only directly involved with the F/A-18s), so I have to guess - do No 10 fly AP-3C Orions?

But in general, the RAAF combine a really easygoing approach off duty with really professional flying. In the RAN we are just jealous of the quality accommodation they seem to arrange when away from home base!

Peter

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Guys,

I recall being told that the placement of the horns over the engine was to put them somewhere warm to prevent the horn and the operating valves freezing up in winter. But that was said by another Australian, and we don't do any of those things. Nothing freezes here, we just fit bigger radiators (or even bigger radiators). We still fit the horns near the cab on nearly everything. So I think that it may be some reason not important here.

Peter

Now the keeping them warm idea that makes sense. Not that I don't believe the filling with snow idea, but I started thinking about it, and we're not talking about something moving 200 kts here so the horns would still ingest snow, albeit at a lesser amount than if they were mounted on a leading edge...or in this case at the front of the cab. But if the radiant heat from the prime mover is helping to anti-ice or de-ice the working parts, combined with removing it from the leading surface.....that makes more sense to me....as well as lessening the Db level in the cab.

By the way...I've been hosting the RAAF No. 10 Squadron here the past couple of weeks. Great bunch of folks..

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Guys,

I recall being told that the placement of the horns over the engine was to put them somewhere warm to prevent the horn and the operating valves freezing up in winter. But that was said by another Australian, and we don't do any of those things. Nothing freezes here, we just fit bigger radiators (or even bigger radiators). We still fit the horns near the cab on nearly everything. So I think that it may be some reason not important here.

Peter

Now the keeping them warm idea that makes sense. Not that I don't believe the filling with snow idea, but I started thinking about it, and we're not talking about something moving 200 kts here so the horns would still ingest snow, albeit at a lesser amount than if they were mounted on a leading edge...or in this case at the front of the cab. But if the radiant heat from the prime mover is helping to anti-ice or de-ice the working parts, combined with removing it from the leading surface.....that makes more sense to me....as well as lessening the Db level in the cab.

By the way...I've been hosting the RAAF No. 10 Squadron here the past couple of weeks. Great bunch of folks..

[M636C]

Guys,

I recall being told that the placement of the horns over the engine was to put them somewhere warm to prevent the horn and the operating valves freezing up in winter. But that was said by another Australian, and we don't do any of those things. Nothing freezes here, we just fit bigger radiators (or even bigger radiators). We still fit the horns near the cab on nearly everything. So I think that it may be some reason not important here.

Peter

[M636C]

Guys,

I recall being told that the placement of the horns over the engine was to put them somewhere warm to prevent the horn and the operating valves freezing up in winter. But that was said by another Australian, and we don't do any of those things. Nothing freezes here, we just fit bigger radiators (or even bigger radiators). We still fit the horns near the cab on nearly everything. So I think that it may be some reason not important here.

Peter

[edblysard]

On our MK1500Ds, the horns are on the cab roof, and yes, if there was a way to move them back I would love it.
Our engineers try hard not to blow your ears out when we have to ride in the front steps.

As for the headlights, we perfer them low, under the windshield, cuts down on glare and reflected light back into the engineers eyes from cars in the yard..
Works real well in yard service, when they are high up, you can lose sight of things, like switchmen, right in front of you low down on the ground.

Cabs have become a lot more quite over the years, and there are decible levels inside the cab that the loco makes have to insure are not breached.

Outside, you really dont want to be in front of the horn, even a single chime can rattle the old eardrums pretty good.

Ed

[edblysard]

On our MK1500Ds, the horns are on the cab roof, and yes, if there was a way to move them back I would love it.
Our engineers try hard not to blow your ears out when we have to ride in the front steps.

As for the headlights, we perfer them low, under the windshield, cuts down on glare and reflected light back into the engineers eyes from cars in the yard..
Works real well in yard service, when they are high up, you can lose sight of things, like switchmen, right in front of you low down on the ground.

Cabs have become a lot more quite over the years, and there are decible levels inside the cab that the loco makes have to insure are not breached.

Outside, you really dont want to be in front of the horn, even a single chime can rattle the old eardrums pretty good.

Ed

[Anonymous]

Speaking of air horns...What were the EMD Fs equipped with-Leslie S3 or WABCO horns?

[Anonymous]

Speaking of air horns...What were the EMD Fs equipped with-Leslie S3 or WABCO horns?

[tree68]

I would think the noise factor in the cab would be a major consideration. The guidelines for sirens on fire trucks and similar vehicles now call for the speaker, siren, and/or horns to be as far forward as possible, and low, too, so as to reduce the sound level in the cab of the truck.

[tree68]

I would think the noise factor in the cab would be a major consideration. The guidelines for sirens on fire trucks and similar vehicles now call for the speaker, siren, and/or horns to be as far forward as possible, and low, too, so as to reduce the sound level in the cab of the truck.

[mudchicken]

If you have guys riding the point on the front steps of the train, you want that whistle back on the long hood behind the cab - otherwise you go deaf without major hearing protection. Also is frequently why the headlights get pulled down into the nose is a crew vision thing....hopefully Ken, LC or Ed speaks up here. ATSF moved all their horns back to the long hood and repositioned lights in the early 1990's...

At a distance, the decibel levels are the same, all things being equal (and you can tell the ambulance chasers what I think of their tactics )[:(!]

[mudchicken]

If you have guys riding the point on the front steps of the train, you want that whistle back on the long hood behind the cab - otherwise you go deaf without major hearing protection. Also is frequently why the headlights get pulled down into the nose is a crew vision thing....hopefully Ken, LC or Ed speaks up here. ATSF moved all their horns back to the long hood and repositioned lights in the early 1990's...

At a distance, the decibel levels are the same, all things being equal (and you can tell the ambulance chasers what I think of their tactics )[:(!]

[dharmon]

I guess that makes sense ...snow...hmmm

Gracias

[dharmon]

I guess that makes sense ...snow...hmmm

Gracias

[CShaveRR]

The reason I've heard for that horn placement is to keep them from filling with snow in the winter. But I'm sure they're less noisy for cab occupants there, too.

Unfortunately, I just read somewhere that one of these frivolous (IMHO) lawsuits over a grade-crossing accident is citing this placement of the horns as a negative contributing factor and a cause of their victim's injury/death/whatever. I take great care to stay out of the way of the front end of trains (and we live in a horn-free-crossing zone, at least for now). Does anyone know whether this placement makes horns less effective?

[CShaveRR]

The reason I've heard for that horn placement is to keep them from filling with snow in the winter. But I'm sure they're less noisy for cab occupants there, too.

Unfortunately, I just read somewhere that one of these frivolous (IMHO) lawsuits over a grade-crossing accident is citing this placement of the horns as a negative contributing factor and a cause of their victim's injury/death/whatever. I take great care to stay out of the way of the front end of trains (and we live in a horn-free-crossing zone, at least for now). Does anyone know whether this placement makes horns less effective?

[dharmon]

Here we go.....Diesel Horns...

On units that were built up to say the mid Eighties the horns are/ were placed on the cab. But it seems since then, all of the newer units and rebuilds have the horn placement mid body between fans. Is this to reduce the noise in the cab?

Trying to figure out where to toss the lasso...........to grab this bull by the.....

[dharmon]

Here we go.....Diesel Horns...

On units that were built up to say the mid Eighties the horns are/ were placed on the cab. But it seems since then, all of the newer units and rebuilds have the horn placement mid body between fans. Is this to reduce the noise in the cab?

Trying to figure out where to toss the lasso...........to grab this bull by the.....

[edblysard]

Its just a mixed freight, or yard transfer.
If weight was a problem, then the locomotives on the head end far outweigh the car, loaded or not, so any weight restrictions would require a lighter motor.

The flat cars are for sheet steel or steel slabs, we see them down here all the time.

Ed

[edblysard]

Its just a mixed freight, or yard transfer.
If weight was a problem, then the locomotives on the head end far outweigh the car, loaded or not, so any weight restrictions would require a lighter motor.

The flat cars are for sheet steel or steel slabs, we see them down here all the time.

Ed