Da Mook has Landed!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie
But the skin tones and hair color were just about right on. Until the geeks got a hold of it!

LOL!! Is that what you call your IT people? [:)]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard
All the pros I know are slowly putting away their 21/4 single lens, and their large format film cameras, because more and more publishers are switching to digital format, its cheaper, better and faster to produce books and magazines if the photos start out as digital, instead of having to convert transpariences and negatives to digital images.

Ed, you clearly know your stuff!

My mother has been doing race track photography off and on since the '80s. For the longest time it was all 35mm with a variety of lenses and filters. The past couple of years she's been getting back into it full bore and she's gone digital. The shops she has dealt with in the past have or are doing away with carrying 35mm cameras. They've told her the future is in digital photography.

The advantages are undeniable. She can take hundreds of shots a night, download them onto the computer and quickly print out proof sheets. Images can be burnt to CD and dropped off to the newspaper the next morning. Hundreds of pictures can be uploaded to the website without having to scan them in. Years ago hours would be spent running them down to the photo lab, waiting for them to be processed, organizing and dropping them off. The development costs and prints, much less the duplicates would quickly add up.

Digital cameras are very awesome. However, good photography is more than just having the right equipment. [:)]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mookie
But the skin tones and hair color were just about right on. Until the geeks got a hold of it!

LOL!! Is that what you call your IT people? [:)]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard
All the pros I know are slowly putting away their 21/4 single lens, and their large format film cameras, because more and more publishers are switching to digital format, its cheaper, better and faster to produce books and magazines if the photos start out as digital, instead of having to convert transpariences and negatives to digital images.

Ed, you clearly know your stuff!

My mother has been doing race track photography off and on since the '80s. For the longest time it was all 35mm with a variety of lenses and filters. The past couple of years she's been getting back into it full bore and she's gone digital. The shops she has dealt with in the past have or are doing away with carrying 35mm cameras. They've told her the future is in digital photography.

The advantages are undeniable. She can take hundreds of shots a night, download them onto the computer and quickly print out proof sheets. Images can be burnt to CD and dropped off to the newspaper the next morning. Hundreds of pictures can be uploaded to the website without having to scan them in. Years ago hours would be spent running them down to the photo lab, waiting for them to be processed, organizing and dropping them off. The development costs and prints, much less the duplicates would quickly add up.

Digital cameras are very awesome. However, good photography is more than just having the right equipment. [:)]

[JoeKoh]

its also being at the right side of the tracks as 2 intermodal trains pass each other.
stay safe
joe

[JoeKoh]

its also being at the right side of the tracks as 2 intermodal trains pass each other.
stay safe
joe

[edblysard]

Hi David,
Your right, the best equipment in the world wont make the picture any better than the person behind the camera skills allows.
I have seen some awesome photos taken with the junkiest camera, a 110 taped to a stick, held out at the bottom of a jump at a motorcross meet got the kid taking the photo a one of a kind shot as a rider flew up, did a cross up right where the kid had the camera pointed, while giving the V sign with one hand.

The track bought the photo from the kid, and used it for years in adds and on the cover of their programs.
There had to be 20 "pros" myself included there, with several thousand dollars of professional equipment, and a 14 yeard old with a $29.99 kodak and a timer made us look like amatures taking snapshots.

The Minolta I just bought is fantastic, once you figure out all the programs and how to use them. I acctually took a few shots of the lunar eclipse a few months ago, and they turned out, in fact, this thing gathers light so well you could see my kids faces clearly by the light from a neighbors porch, and you could see the demarcation line on the moon too!
Gotta get a telescope adapter for it.

I am so convinced that digital is the way to go that I donated almost all of my darkroom equipment to the local high school, for them to learn on. I did keep one enlarger, and a set of all the junk needed, but the rest went. I still shoot film, somethings just have to be done on film, and getting rid of the F1 would be like getting rid of my right hand, I would feel handicapped without it, I have had it so long its become that much a part of me.
Bet your Mom didnt get rid of all her film cameras, either!

But the expense, or lack therein, of digital is great. The camera has paid for itself already, and its less than 2 months old.
I dont have to spend the entire night in the darkroom, I can sit here and edit, crop, alter and print all I want for a fraction of the cost and in much less time.

Softward upgrades make most accecsories obsolete, I dont have to drag a bag or case of lenses around, just a few flash units is it, no worry about film in the heat, well, its better than I ever though it would be.

And like a lot of people, I resisted changing, because I had grown up using film cameras, and had used the old F1 so much the brass showed through where the paint had rubbed off. I could set it up without even looking at the controls, I had used it that much.
And I knew exactly what it would do, and would not do.
Habit and comfort level kept me from trying digital, but after doing some portrait work with this one, I dont think I will ever get the 2 1/4 out again.

And with technology advancing so quickly, the next generation of digital cameras and other digital equipment should knock your socks off!

Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Hi David,
Your right, the best equipment in the world wont make the picture any better than the person behind the camera skills allows.
I have seen some awesome photos taken with the junkiest camera, a 110 taped to a stick, held out at the bottom of a jump at a motorcross meet got the kid taking the photo a one of a kind shot as a rider flew up, did a cross up right where the kid had the camera pointed, while giving the V sign with one hand.

The track bought the photo from the kid, and used it for years in adds and on the cover of their programs.
There had to be 20 "pros" myself included there, with several thousand dollars of professional equipment, and a 14 yeard old with a $29.99 kodak and a timer made us look like amatures taking snapshots.

The Minolta I just bought is fantastic, once you figure out all the programs and how to use them. I acctually took a few shots of the lunar eclipse a few months ago, and they turned out, in fact, this thing gathers light so well you could see my kids faces clearly by the light from a neighbors porch, and you could see the demarcation line on the moon too!
Gotta get a telescope adapter for it.

I am so convinced that digital is the way to go that I donated almost all of my darkroom equipment to the local high school, for them to learn on. I did keep one enlarger, and a set of all the junk needed, but the rest went. I still shoot film, somethings just have to be done on film, and getting rid of the F1 would be like getting rid of my right hand, I would feel handicapped without it, I have had it so long its become that much a part of me.
Bet your Mom didnt get rid of all her film cameras, either!

But the expense, or lack therein, of digital is great. The camera has paid for itself already, and its less than 2 months old.
I dont have to spend the entire night in the darkroom, I can sit here and edit, crop, alter and print all I want for a fraction of the cost and in much less time.

Softward upgrades make most accecsories obsolete, I dont have to drag a bag or case of lenses around, just a few flash units is it, no worry about film in the heat, well, its better than I ever though it would be.

And like a lot of people, I resisted changing, because I had grown up using film cameras, and had used the old F1 so much the brass showed through where the paint had rubbed off. I could set it up without even looking at the controls, I had used it that much.
And I knew exactly what it would do, and would not do.
Habit and comfort level kept me from trying digital, but after doing some portrait work with this one, I dont think I will ever get the 2 1/4 out again.

And with technology advancing so quickly, the next generation of digital cameras and other digital equipment should knock your socks off!

Stay Frosty,
Ed

[Mookie]

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LOL!! Is that what you call your IT people? [:)]

QUOTE: [i]
My mother has been doing race track photography off and on since the '80s. For the longest time it was all 35mm with a variety of lenses and filters. The past couple of years she's been getting back into it full bore and she's gone digital. The shops she has dealt with in the past have or are doing away with carrying 35mm cameras. They've told her the future is in digital photography.

Dave - I call them a lot worse, but it isn't printable! Duh will suffice!

Does your Mom do trains!!!!!! You really need to discuss this with her!

Jen

[Mookie]

/quote]

LOL!! Is that what you call your IT people? [:)]

QUOTE: [i]
My mother has been doing race track photography off and on since the '80s. For the longest time it was all 35mm with a variety of lenses and filters. The past couple of years she's been getting back into it full bore and she's gone digital. The shops she has dealt with in the past have or are doing away with carrying 35mm cameras. They've told her the future is in digital photography.

Dave - I call them a lot worse, but it isn't printable! Duh will suffice!

Does your Mom do trains!!!!!! You really need to discuss this with her!

Jen

[zardoz]

Ed-
Usually your replies are informative and occasionally humorus. But your reply to my observations was, to say the least, rather patronizing, and quite beneath you.

I did not want to further the discussion of image recording so as to avoid the type of discussion we are having. I got tired of the salespeople's attitude, as I tire of other's attitude when it comes to photography. Everybody has all the answers.

My only point was that if the person taking the image is happy with the results, the method is irrelevant. Certainly, if one records images for submission towards publication, then that is a whole different issue.

So please restrain your arrogance and bravado.

[zardoz]

Ed-
Usually your replies are informative and occasionally humorus. But your reply to my observations was, to say the least, rather patronizing, and quite beneath you.

I did not want to further the discussion of image recording so as to avoid the type of discussion we are having. I got tired of the salespeople's attitude, as I tire of other's attitude when it comes to photography. Everybody has all the answers.

My only point was that if the person taking the image is happy with the results, the method is irrelevant. Certainly, if one records images for submission towards publication, then that is a whole different issue.

So please restrain your arrogance and bravado.

[edblysard]

Intentionaly so.
Re-read your post, I reconize it when someone is being patronizing too.
I agree with you, though, how the image is captured is irrelevent, as long as the person taking the photo is happy.
Like I said, a kid with a cheapy put a whole bunch of us with all our pro stuff to shame.

Trust me on this, film cameras are going away, slowly, but going none the less.

Dont know if I bored anyone or not, but at least one person wanted to here what I wanted to say.

So heres the deal, I will no longer use a consending or patronizing attitude towards you, if you will follow suit.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1

Ed-
Usually your replies are informative and occasionally humorus. But your reply to my observations was, to say the least, rather patronizing, and quite beneath you.

I did not want to further the discussion of image recording so as to avoid the type of discussion we are having. I got tired of the salespeople's attitude, as I tire of other's attitude when it comes to photography. Everybody has all the answers.

My only point was that if the person taking the image is happy with the results, the method is irrelevant. Certainly, if one records images for submission towards publication, then that is a whole different issue.

So please restrain your arrogance and bravado.

[edblysard]

Intentionaly so.
Re-read your post, I reconize it when someone is being patronizing too.
I agree with you, though, how the image is captured is irrelevent, as long as the person taking the photo is happy.
Like I said, a kid with a cheapy put a whole bunch of us with all our pro stuff to shame.

Trust me on this, film cameras are going away, slowly, but going none the less.

Dont know if I bored anyone or not, but at least one person wanted to here what I wanted to say.

So heres the deal, I will no longer use a consending or patronizing attitude towards you, if you will follow suit.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1

Ed-
Usually your replies are informative and occasionally humorus. But your reply to my observations was, to say the least, rather patronizing, and quite beneath you.

I did not want to further the discussion of image recording so as to avoid the type of discussion we are having. I got tired of the salespeople's attitude, as I tire of other's attitude when it comes to photography. Everybody has all the answers.

My only point was that if the person taking the image is happy with the results, the method is irrelevant. Certainly, if one records images for submission towards publication, then that is a whole different issue.

So please restrain your arrogance and bravado.

[zardoz]

Ed-
I agree. And I apologize if my post came across as patronizing, it was not my intention.
And I definitely agree that film is on the way out. I am extremely eager for the day when affordable digital equals the quality of film. And I do believe it will be soon (within two years).

[zardoz]

Ed-
I agree. And I apologize if my post came across as patronizing, it was not my intention.
And I definitely agree that film is on the way out. I am extremely eager for the day when affordable digital equals the quality of film. And I do believe it will be soon (within two years).

[edblysard]

Not only is your apology accepted, but one is issued from this end too.
I do have a arrogant attitude at times.

Bet within two years to three years, you will see digital throwaways, like the little cameras Kodak markets now, with the film installed, all you do is shoot the photos and drop off the whole thing, get back a package of prints.
Next step would be a digital version, you shoot a few hundred snapshots, drop off the camera while shopping, and on your way out pick up the C/D with all your photos on it.

What a world we live in!

Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Not only is your apology accepted, but one is issued from this end too.
I do have a arrogant attitude at times.

Bet within two years to three years, you will see digital throwaways, like the little cameras Kodak markets now, with the film installed, all you do is shoot the photos and drop off the whole thing, get back a package of prints.
Next step would be a digital version, you shoot a few hundred snapshots, drop off the camera while shopping, and on your way out pick up the C/D with all your photos on it.

What a world we live in!

Stay Frosty,
Ed

[Anonymous]

hey Ed, I think they're all ready out. Kodak has a throw away that you can get prints and CD. You dont have to special order the disc

[Anonymous]

hey Ed, I think they're all ready out. Kodak has a throw away that you can get prints and CD. You dont have to special order the disc

[Modelcar]

....How long do I have to use my pretty good Cannon from my purchase just 2 years ago....I'm refering to a film camera...

And on the little throw aways....If one gets the digital results transfered onto a CD..[in the near furture], won't we be at the mercy of a cheap lens and have less than what we want...?

[Modelcar]

....How long do I have to use my pretty good Cannon from my purchase just 2 years ago....I'm refering to a film camera...

And on the little throw aways....If one gets the digital results transfered onto a CD..[in the near furture], won't we be at the mercy of a cheap lens and have less than what we want...?

[zardoz]

Modelcar-
I would say you have as long as the camera lasts, or when film becomes almost impossible to purchase or get developed (think Kodachrome). I believe there will be film for quite a few years yet, but digital will become so affordable that when one factors in the cost of film and development, it will soon be cheaper (in the long run) to buy a digital camera body.

I, too, purchased a new camera just two years ago, so I am in the same boat as you are. Although my purchase was one of necessity (my old camera died), it pained me to spend $$$ on a film camera when I knew digital was coming on strong.

But do not worry about being at the mercy of cheap-o equipment. Digital will make quality photography affordable, and there will always be a market for quality equipment.

[zardoz]

Modelcar-
I would say you have as long as the camera lasts, or when film becomes almost impossible to purchase or get developed (think Kodachrome). I believe there will be film for quite a few years yet, but digital will become so affordable that when one factors in the cost of film and development, it will soon be cheaper (in the long run) to buy a digital camera body.

I, too, purchased a new camera just two years ago, so I am in the same boat as you are. Although my purchase was one of necessity (my old camera died), it pained me to spend $$$ on a film camera when I knew digital was coming on strong.

But do not worry about being at the mercy of cheap-o equipment. Digital will make quality photography affordable, and there will always be a market for quality equipment.

[Modelcar]

...Yes, I've been thinking about digital and wondering if I would like to purchase one in the near future perhaps I could find one Cannon is producing and that would allow me to use the lens from my present Cannon film camera [maybe],...a 28 to 200mm unit.

[Modelcar]

...Yes, I've been thinking about digital and wondering if I would like to purchase one in the near future perhaps I could find one Cannon is producing and that would allow me to use the lens from my present Cannon film camera [maybe],...a 28 to 200mm unit.

[edblysard]

Modelcar,
Big Z is right on the money.
As long as there is a market for film, Fuji, Kodak, and all the others will continue to produce it, but it will become harder to find and more expensive.

I shoot, or did shoot a lot of B/W. Just about cant find the old Tri X film anywhere, at a price I am willing to pay.
Like Zardoz pointed out, try to find Kodachrome.
Three years ago, you could walk into almost any Walmart, K Mart, Eckerds durgs or Walgreens, just about any where, and by it right off the shelf.
Last time I bought some, I had to go to the camera store, cleared out his cooler of
2 1/4, and bought 10 rolls of 35mm, because he only had one case left, and couldnt get a firm ship date from Kodak.
I dont think you will see the print films dissappearing quite as quickly, a lot of money is invested in the print industry, the machines you see in the one hour photo stops are not that cheap, and there is still a big demand for it.
So dont chunk you film camera yet.
If you want to try digital, stay in the $400.00 range, you can get a fairly good view camera for around that.

My choice was easy, I shoot a lot of photos.
A digital single lens reflex works great.
I have a web site where I sell hand crafted writing pens, so taking photos of them on film, then having it transfered to disc so I could post them rapidly, and edit them, was getting expensive.
What I bought would be the equivalent of purchasing a middle of the road Nikon 35mm a few years ago.
It has a zoom, wide angle, and Macro all in one, the digital working allows you to program each for a specific need or use.
Silly thing even has a video recorder in it.

But, if I was going to do train shots, I would stay under $700.00, you can still get a good digital SLR for that, with a build in zoom.

It going to be just like the 8 track to cassette, cassette to C/D revolution, slow at first, but when it really takes hold, it will seem to happen almost overnight.
I must have 100s of cassettes, almost none that I listen to anymore.
Shoot, I dont think you can even find a new car with a cassette player anymore.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Modelcar,
Big Z is right on the money.
As long as there is a market for film, Fuji, Kodak, and all the others will continue to produce it, but it will become harder to find and more expensive.

I shoot, or did shoot a lot of B/W. Just about cant find the old Tri X film anywhere, at a price I am willing to pay.
Like Zardoz pointed out, try to find Kodachrome.
Three years ago, you could walk into almost any Walmart, K Mart, Eckerds durgs or Walgreens, just about any where, and by it right off the shelf.
Last time I bought some, I had to go to the camera store, cleared out his cooler of
2 1/4, and bought 10 rolls of 35mm, because he only had one case left, and couldnt get a firm ship date from Kodak.
I dont think you will see the print films dissappearing quite as quickly, a lot of money is invested in the print industry, the machines you see in the one hour photo stops are not that cheap, and there is still a big demand for it.
So dont chunk you film camera yet.
If you want to try digital, stay in the $400.00 range, you can get a fairly good view camera for around that.

My choice was easy, I shoot a lot of photos.
A digital single lens reflex works great.
I have a web site where I sell hand crafted writing pens, so taking photos of them on film, then having it transfered to disc so I could post them rapidly, and edit them, was getting expensive.
What I bought would be the equivalent of purchasing a middle of the road Nikon 35mm a few years ago.
It has a zoom, wide angle, and Macro all in one, the digital working allows you to program each for a specific need or use.
Silly thing even has a video recorder in it.

But, if I was going to do train shots, I would stay under $700.00, you can still get a good digital SLR for that, with a build in zoom.

It going to be just like the 8 track to cassette, cassette to C/D revolution, slow at first, but when it really takes hold, it will seem to happen almost overnight.
I must have 100s of cassettes, almost none that I listen to anymore.
Shoot, I dont think you can even find a new car with a cassette player anymore.
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[Modelcar]

....All your points well taken Ed...I suppose I'll be ok with the cannon film camera for a while yet..I better be as I have other ones too. I just recently have been using Fuji for color prints...I really think that does a better job of Color saturation, etc...Not that much difference but I believe a noticable difference for me.

And would you believe...after the discussion of throw away digital's in posts above...I just returned from one of our major stores here...[Meijer's], and the first display as I walked in was Kodak's throw away digital [with 27 exp.], for about 9 dollars incl. a CD, if one purchases regular prints at the normal going price....So, Digital is really starting to saturate it all....

[Modelcar]

....All your points well taken Ed...I suppose I'll be ok with the cannon film camera for a while yet..I better be as I have other ones too. I just recently have been using Fuji for color prints...I really think that does a better job of Color saturation, etc...Not that much difference but I believe a noticable difference for me.

And would you believe...after the discussion of throw away digital's in posts above...I just returned from one of our major stores here...[Meijer's], and the first display as I walked in was Kodak's throw away digital [with 27 exp.], for about 9 dollars incl. a CD, if one purchases regular prints at the normal going price....So, Digital is really starting to saturate it all....

[edblysard]

Not sure if it was the Brownie, or a earlier model Kodak, but at one time, you purchased a camera pre loaded with film, shot your photos, dropped the camera off at the photography store, and when you returned, you got you developed prints, negatives, and your camera back, re loaded with film, ready to go
Got the idea someone will come up with a cheap way to make the chips or cards, you will buy a pre carded camera, shoot it up, drop it off, and when you pick it up, photos and a re carded camera, or skip the re carding, just wipe the card...
or some service like that.

I doubt that the quality of the lenses will go down, espically on the top line cameras, they still have to gather and focus the light and image well, or your wasting you time.

My Minolta has a 28 to 200mm zoom, with macro, and the program allows you to double the focal length, so I can get the same effect as a 400mm zoom, without the f stop loss.

What Cannon did you buy?
Stay frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Not sure if it was the Brownie, or a earlier model Kodak, but at one time, you purchased a camera pre loaded with film, shot your photos, dropped the camera off at the photography store, and when you returned, you got you developed prints, negatives, and your camera back, re loaded with film, ready to go
Got the idea someone will come up with a cheap way to make the chips or cards, you will buy a pre carded camera, shoot it up, drop it off, and when you pick it up, photos and a re carded camera, or skip the re carding, just wipe the card...
or some service like that.

I doubt that the quality of the lenses will go down, espically on the top line cameras, they still have to gather and focus the light and image well, or your wasting you time.

My Minolta has a 28 to 200mm zoom, with macro, and the program allows you to double the focal length, so I can get the same effect as a 400mm zoom, without the f stop loss.

What Cannon did you buy?
Stay frosty,
Ed