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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 9, 2003 6:23 PM
By the way, you don't happen to work midnight shift, do you?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 9, 2003 6:23 PM
By the way, you don't happen to work midnight shift, do you?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 9, 2003 6:59 PM
Jen, hope you do not mind waiting for my picture. Thomas the Tank engine will be at the Illinios train museum in 2 weeks. I hope to get one with me and my boy's in front of Thomas. (My wife refuses to join us on the grounds, she does not understand what we see in trains.)
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 9, 2003 6:59 PM
Jen, hope you do not mind waiting for my picture. Thomas the Tank engine will be at the Illinios train museum in 2 weeks. I hope to get one with me and my boy's in front of Thomas. (My wife refuses to join us on the grounds, she does not understand what we see in trains.)
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 9, 2003 7:03 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by skeets

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

Well, I broke down and posted a photo...enjoy it guys...

LC
Hey, Limitedclear, if that was really you, better change your handle to "Restricted" or maybe just "Stop".


As you will note, I said I posted a photo, I never said it was a photo of ME. After all the "what does Mookie look like" stuff I figured it would be well received...

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 9, 2003 7:03 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by skeets

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

Well, I broke down and posted a photo...enjoy it guys...

LC
Hey, Limitedclear, if that was really you, better change your handle to "Restricted" or maybe just "Stop".


As you will note, I said I posted a photo, I never said it was a photo of ME. After all the "what does Mookie look like" stuff I figured it would be well received...

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Posted by zardoz on Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:32 PM
Ed-
If memory serves, any color correction done to a photo will affect the entire photo. Perhaps there is a way to do just the skin tones using a photo editor, but I'd bet it would be a time-consuming task.

With film, if the type of film is correct for the intended use (daylight film for outdoors) there should be no need for correction (except for polarization). For indoor shooting under flourescent light with daylight film i use a FLD filter.

But digital just cannot do skin tones correctly. I have had many sales persons at many pro equipment stores try to sell me digital cameras. I always ask to see a representation of work done with digital, and I can ALWAYS tell the difference if there are people as the main or seconday subject. I probably could not tell the difference if, say, a train photo was taken digitally, unless I had a film image of the exact same scene. I'm sure someday soon digital will be good. And I really hope so! Film is so expensive!

BTW Ed, your photo was digital.
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Posted by zardoz on Saturday, August 9, 2003 8:32 PM
Ed-
If memory serves, any color correction done to a photo will affect the entire photo. Perhaps there is a way to do just the skin tones using a photo editor, but I'd bet it would be a time-consuming task.

With film, if the type of film is correct for the intended use (daylight film for outdoors) there should be no need for correction (except for polarization). For indoor shooting under flourescent light with daylight film i use a FLD filter.

But digital just cannot do skin tones correctly. I have had many sales persons at many pro equipment stores try to sell me digital cameras. I always ask to see a representation of work done with digital, and I can ALWAYS tell the difference if there are people as the main or seconday subject. I probably could not tell the difference if, say, a train photo was taken digitally, unless I had a film image of the exact same scene. I'm sure someday soon digital will be good. And I really hope so! Film is so expensive!

BTW Ed, your photo was digital.
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Posted by edblysard on Saturday, August 9, 2003 11:30 PM
And Jenny's photo?
Remember, you said it was digital.
Sure?
One of them was altered on a computer.
One is from film, one is digital.
By the way, I work outdoors 8 to 10 hours a day, and am ruddy colored to begin with.
I own a Cannon F1 35mm I bought in the 70s, along with more lens than I can carry, a YashicaMat 2 1/4 twin lens reflex, a 35mm Olympus single lens reflex, a Cannon TX, also 35mm, and a Minolta Dimage Hi7 digital.
The Dimage digital and the F1 cost about the same, around $1600.00.
I can promise you that, unless you took the photo, you cant tell the difference.
I will explain the red problem with both Jenny's and Kathi's photos tomorrow.
Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1

Ed-
If memory serves, any color correction done to a photo will affect the entire photo. Perhaps there is a way to do just the skin tones using a photo editor, but I'd bet it would be a time-consuming task.

With film, if the type of film is correct for the intended use (daylight film for outdoors) there should be no need for correction (except for polarization). For indoor shooting under flourescent light with daylight film i use a FLD filter.

But digital just cannot do skin tones correctly. I have had many sales persons at many pro equipment stores try to sell me digital cameras. I always ask to see a representation of work done with digital, and I can ALWAYS tell the difference if there are people as the main or seconday subject. I probably could not tell the difference if, say, a train photo was taken digitally, unless I had a film image of the exact same scene. I'm sure someday soon digital will be good. And I really hope so! Film is so expensive!

BTW Ed, your photo was digital.

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Posted by edblysard on Saturday, August 9, 2003 11:30 PM
And Jenny's photo?
Remember, you said it was digital.
Sure?
One of them was altered on a computer.
One is from film, one is digital.
By the way, I work outdoors 8 to 10 hours a day, and am ruddy colored to begin with.
I own a Cannon F1 35mm I bought in the 70s, along with more lens than I can carry, a YashicaMat 2 1/4 twin lens reflex, a 35mm Olympus single lens reflex, a Cannon TX, also 35mm, and a Minolta Dimage Hi7 digital.
The Dimage digital and the F1 cost about the same, around $1600.00.
I can promise you that, unless you took the photo, you cant tell the difference.
I will explain the red problem with both Jenny's and Kathi's photos tomorrow.
Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1

Ed-
If memory serves, any color correction done to a photo will affect the entire photo. Perhaps there is a way to do just the skin tones using a photo editor, but I'd bet it would be a time-consuming task.

With film, if the type of film is correct for the intended use (daylight film for outdoors) there should be no need for correction (except for polarization). For indoor shooting under flourescent light with daylight film i use a FLD filter.

But digital just cannot do skin tones correctly. I have had many sales persons at many pro equipment stores try to sell me digital cameras. I always ask to see a representation of work done with digital, and I can ALWAYS tell the difference if there are people as the main or seconday subject. I probably could not tell the difference if, say, a train photo was taken digitally, unless I had a film image of the exact same scene. I'm sure someday soon digital will be good. And I really hope so! Film is so expensive!

BTW Ed, your photo was digital.

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Posted by edblysard on Saturday, August 9, 2003 11:35 PM
If thats a standard accessory with a belt pack, I may change my mind about RCL. But I can promise you productivity will go way down. Of course, most other things will be way up.[:D]
Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

Well, I broke down and posted a photo...enjoy it guys...

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Posted by edblysard on Saturday, August 9, 2003 11:35 PM
If thats a standard accessory with a belt pack, I may change my mind about RCL. But I can promise you productivity will go way down. Of course, most other things will be way up.[:D]
Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

Well, I broke down and posted a photo...enjoy it guys...

LC

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:48 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

If thats a standard accessory with a belt pack, I may change my mind about RCL. But I can promise you productivity will go way down. Of course, most other things will be way up.[:D]





Ed Good one LMAO [:D] [:D] [:D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:48 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

If thats a standard accessory with a belt pack, I may change my mind about RCL. But I can promise you productivity will go way down. Of course, most other things will be way up.[:D]





Ed Good one LMAO [:D] [:D] [:D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:46 PM
OK, well, due to all the abuse, I have had to change the photo I have posted...

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:46 PM
OK, well, due to all the abuse, I have had to change the photo I have posted...

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

OK, well, due to all the abuse, I have had to change the photo I have posted...

LC


ABUSE What abuse? We all loved the photo. [:D]

Can't say much bad about this one--doesn't all that hair get in the way? [^]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

OK, well, due to all the abuse, I have had to change the photo I have posted...

LC


ABUSE What abuse? We all loved the photo. [:D]

Can't say much bad about this one--doesn't all that hair get in the way? [^]

Take care, stay safe, and remember Look, Listen, and Live.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:26 PM
What are you doing with a picture of my wife???
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:26 PM
What are you doing with a picture of my wife???
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Posted by Mookie on Monday, August 11, 2003 6:51 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

OK, well, due to all the abuse, I have had to change the photo I have posted...

LC
I missed the first one - since I am not here on weekends - sort of not here -
but I can tell you this one isn't you, since you don't have on regulation work clothes.

You have the wrong end of your anatomy showing - should be the crack not the handles! And if you were a really old head - you would have had on overalls and they would have been unbuttoned on the side clear down to .... and no underwear for coolness. Now I am going to go [:I] and look like my picture for awhile!

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, August 11, 2003 6:51 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

OK, well, due to all the abuse, I have had to change the photo I have posted...

LC
I missed the first one - since I am not here on weekends - sort of not here -
but I can tell you this one isn't you, since you don't have on regulation work clothes.

You have the wrong end of your anatomy showing - should be the crack not the handles! And if you were a really old head - you would have had on overalls and they would have been unbuttoned on the side clear down to .... and no underwear for coolness. Now I am going to go [:I] and look like my picture for awhile!

Mook!

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Posted by zardoz on Monday, August 11, 2003 12:29 PM
Ed, you sound just like the salesman at the camera store! [:D]

As long as the photographer is satisfied with the results, the format does not matter, digital or film. I do not wi***o bore other readers of this post anymore with image philosophy. Perhaps we should start a new topic......
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Posted by zardoz on Monday, August 11, 2003 12:29 PM
Ed, you sound just like the salesman at the camera store! [:D]

As long as the photographer is satisfied with the results, the format does not matter, digital or film. I do not wi***o bore other readers of this post anymore with image philosophy. Perhaps we should start a new topic......
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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, August 11, 2003 12:49 PM
....Photography of any kind is not boring....

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Posted by Modelcar on Monday, August 11, 2003 12:49 PM
....Photography of any kind is not boring....

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Posted by edblysard on Monday, August 11, 2003 12:57 PM
Well, for a few years in the late 70s, thats what I did for a living.
Along with running a small studio, I sold cameras for Cannon, and taught photographic composition at a local college.
But, seeing as how you dont want to know that Jennys photo is a film shot, from a 35mm single lens reflex, and mine is digital, or why the skin tone in hers is slightly red, because the people who helped her post it enhanced it with a computer program, or that Kathi Kubes is also slightly red because,
A: she is wearing a bright red dress,
B: the photographer used hot tungsten bulbs as if he was shooting kodachrome.
Look at both Nancy Bartol's and Lori Schneider's photos, both shot with a digital, but using natural cool light. Perfect skin tones.
The cure, by the way, is simple. Buy a 49% UV haze filter with a slight pink tint.
Works wonders.

But you, being the knowlegable person that you are, already understand that even though UV and infrared are just outside both ends of the visable enegry wave lengths we humans can see, that both film and digital cameras "see" it quite well, probaly dont want to bore anyone.

And you know what, format does matter.

All the pros I know are slowly putting away their 21/4 single lens, and their large format film cameras, because more and more publishers are switching to digital format, its cheaper, better and faster to produce books and magazines if the photos start out as digital, instead of having to convert transpariences and negatives to digital images.
Know anyone who still uses their 16 mm, or super 8 movie camera anymore?
Own a DVD player?
You better get one if you dont, movie film and video cassetts are going the way of audio cassetts and LP records.
Stay Frosty,
Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1

Ed, you sound just like the salesman at the camera store! [:D]

As long as the photographer is satisfied with the results, the format does not matter, digital or film. I do not wi***o bore other readers of this post anymore with image philosophy. Perhaps we should start a new topic......

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Posted by edblysard on Monday, August 11, 2003 12:57 PM
Well, for a few years in the late 70s, thats what I did for a living.
Along with running a small studio, I sold cameras for Cannon, and taught photographic composition at a local college.
But, seeing as how you dont want to know that Jennys photo is a film shot, from a 35mm single lens reflex, and mine is digital, or why the skin tone in hers is slightly red, because the people who helped her post it enhanced it with a computer program, or that Kathi Kubes is also slightly red because,
A: she is wearing a bright red dress,
B: the photographer used hot tungsten bulbs as if he was shooting kodachrome.
Look at both Nancy Bartol's and Lori Schneider's photos, both shot with a digital, but using natural cool light. Perfect skin tones.
The cure, by the way, is simple. Buy a 49% UV haze filter with a slight pink tint.
Works wonders.

But you, being the knowlegable person that you are, already understand that even though UV and infrared are just outside both ends of the visable enegry wave lengths we humans can see, that both film and digital cameras "see" it quite well, probaly dont want to bore anyone.

And you know what, format does matter.

All the pros I know are slowly putting away their 21/4 single lens, and their large format film cameras, because more and more publishers are switching to digital format, its cheaper, better and faster to produce books and magazines if the photos start out as digital, instead of having to convert transpariences and negatives to digital images.
Know anyone who still uses their 16 mm, or super 8 movie camera anymore?
Own a DVD player?
You better get one if you dont, movie film and video cassetts are going the way of audio cassetts and LP records.
Stay Frosty,
Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1

Ed, you sound just like the salesman at the camera store! [:D]

As long as the photographer is satisfied with the results, the format does not matter, digital or film. I do not wi***o bore other readers of this post anymore with image philosophy. Perhaps we should start a new topic......

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, August 11, 2003 1:13 PM
Ouch - !

Well, Ed is right about the film. I can't tell you the name of the camera, but it is a 35mm and has a rather long lens on it. The picture did turn out rather well if I do say so myself. The color was nice - had a good background - all the volunteer weeds and foliage the landlord is growing and due to a little rain this spring, it was nice a green.

But the skin tones and hair color were just about right on. Until the geeks got a hold of it! Sigh. But - I work with both of them and keep thinking something about paybacks and what they are! :)

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Posted by Mookie on Monday, August 11, 2003 1:13 PM
Ouch - !

Well, Ed is right about the film. I can't tell you the name of the camera, but it is a 35mm and has a rather long lens on it. The picture did turn out rather well if I do say so myself. The color was nice - had a good background - all the volunteer weeds and foliage the landlord is growing and due to a little rain this spring, it was nice a green.

But the skin tones and hair color were just about right on. Until the geeks got a hold of it! Sigh. But - I work with both of them and keep thinking something about paybacks and what they are! :)

Jen

She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw

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