Da Mook has Landed!

[Anonymous]

Heading for HOOTERS for lunch tomorrow in memory of my 3 friends from FDNY Rescue #1 and 2 others lost on the Boston flight. Raise a glass to the HEROs...

Marked off...

LC

[Anonymous]

Heading for HOOTERS for lunch tomorrow in memory of my 3 friends from FDNY Rescue #1 and 2 others lost on the Boston flight. Raise a glass to the HEROs...

Marked off...

LC

[edblysard]

Lets see if I got this straight.
The grade school in my neighborhood hasnt had a working A/C for over a year, the kids there are using 30 year old textbooks, held together with duct tape.
Across the board salery cuts for all HISD teachers,
and the school bus routes are cut back again this year due to monatary shortfalls.
The interstate through Houston has potholes big enough to lose a Honda in,
if your retired and are on medicade or medicare, your still cant afford your medicine, and if you draw SSI, you have to try to live on less that $900.00 a month.
College is beyond afforadable for most middle class familes, our soliders and sailors and airmen get paid less than a UPS driver, and if you work for a living, you are about to lose any overtime pay your employeer feels like skipping?
Amtrak cant get enough money to run or repair the trains they still have.

And now we are going to spend 87Billion dollars to rebuild the infrastructure of a country that not only aided and abbeted, but most likley finianced and trained the monsters who flew airplanes into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.
And true to the American way, everything we built over there will be state of the art, brand new, top dollar stuff.
They will have the best roadways, phone system, hospitials and schools America can build, along with a new state of the art railway and airports.
We are going to rebuild their military and police forces(they same guys who were shooting at US soliders last week) and train and pay them.
Houston cops make less then that UPS driver also.
We will feed them school them, house them and keep them well, and when they do get ill, they will be treated free at a brand new, top notch hospital.
87 Billion, just this year, most to come?

While my kids use school books held together with duct tape in a
un airconditioned school room taught by underpaid teachers?
My Dad, a 33 year veteran, couldnt get treatment at the VA because they were out of beds, out of doctors, out of nurses and out of money?
Houston cops are quiting in record numbers because they cant make a living here?
Teachers and nurses are moving out of Texas to other states just to earn enough to cover their living expenses?

We are sending 87billon dollars to a country sitting on more oil than Exxon/Mobil, Phillips, Shell and BP Petroleum could refine in a thousand years?

Just exactly what the hell did I miss here?
Is it just me, or does this sound and look out of kilter to you guys too?
Ed

[edblysard]

Lets see if I got this straight.
The grade school in my neighborhood hasnt had a working A/C for over a year, the kids there are using 30 year old textbooks, held together with duct tape.
Across the board salery cuts for all HISD teachers,
and the school bus routes are cut back again this year due to monatary shortfalls.
The interstate through Houston has potholes big enough to lose a Honda in,
if your retired and are on medicade or medicare, your still cant afford your medicine, and if you draw SSI, you have to try to live on less that $900.00 a month.
College is beyond afforadable for most middle class familes, our soliders and sailors and airmen get paid less than a UPS driver, and if you work for a living, you are about to lose any overtime pay your employeer feels like skipping?
Amtrak cant get enough money to run or repair the trains they still have.

And now we are going to spend 87Billion dollars to rebuild the infrastructure of a country that not only aided and abbeted, but most likley finianced and trained the monsters who flew airplanes into the Pentagon and the World Trade Center.
And true to the American way, everything we built over there will be state of the art, brand new, top dollar stuff.
They will have the best roadways, phone system, hospitials and schools America can build, along with a new state of the art railway and airports.
We are going to rebuild their military and police forces(they same guys who were shooting at US soliders last week) and train and pay them.
Houston cops make less then that UPS driver also.
We will feed them school them, house them and keep them well, and when they do get ill, they will be treated free at a brand new, top notch hospital.
87 Billion, just this year, most to come?

While my kids use school books held together with duct tape in a
un airconditioned school room taught by underpaid teachers?
My Dad, a 33 year veteran, couldnt get treatment at the VA because they were out of beds, out of doctors, out of nurses and out of money?
Houston cops are quiting in record numbers because they cant make a living here?
Teachers and nurses are moving out of Texas to other states just to earn enough to cover their living expenses?

We are sending 87billon dollars to a country sitting on more oil than Exxon/Mobil, Phillips, Shell and BP Petroleum could refine in a thousand years?

Just exactly what the hell did I miss here?
Is it just me, or does this sound and look out of kilter to you guys too?
Ed

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard



We are sending 87billon dollars to a country sitting on more oil than Exxon/Mobil, Phillips, Shell and BP Petroleum could refine in a thousand years?

Just exactly what the hell did I miss here?
Is it just me, or does this sound and look out of kilter to you guys too?
Ed

Agreeded. Ready now to run, remember you have at least half a dozen votes. [;)]

I supppport our troops 1000 %. They didn't choose where they are now. I remain unsold on the mess over there. I believe the American people were lied to and forced to believe made up info so you know who could further his political career and secure 4 more.

If we are footing the bill for their rebuilding then their oil ought to be shipped over here in return for their brand new schools, hospitals, roads, etc, etc, etc,. Our gas prices would drop and should drop to pre 1970 levels. Any ally should be given a share also. TO HELL WITH WORLD OPINION. HAS WORLD OPINION DONE ANYTHING FOR THE UNITED STATES. In one of the other threads someone suggested that we tell the foreigners that "our money is needed at home". Our gas prices are at records highs again thanks to this b s.

The new issue of Trains mag is out now. They make some very good comments about Amtrak. Our current government wants to let private companies operate passenger service over the freight railroad's tracks using Amtrak's right to run trains. In other words anything not along the "corridor" will not ever have passenger service again. Passenger service is government paid for in any country that has it. It must be here too. They also want the states to pay 50 % of the costs involved in the passenger service. This at a time when most states are cutting back any and every public service they can cut, and even those they can't.

Take your own unofficial poll. Ask your friends if they will ever fly again? Some might say yes but that they are not happy doing so. We cannnot stop Amtrak. It is a service that really should be expanded. Can Ed get on an Amtrak train in Houston? Does YOUR CITY OR TOWN HAVE AN AMTRAK TRAIN? Just as Ed pointed out we need money here. So why do we send it out by boat load to go to countries that don't give a damn about us? We have children, homeless and ill veterans, and even our own service people (who live on base and can't afford to feed their own family because of their poor paid as a serviceman) who need help. It is past time that we help ourselves and keep our money home where it can help us and not them. I don't want to be heartless but we have many problems here so why look for problems overseas to throw money to when it could be thrown here!

I read where oversea shippers are looking at shipping their cargo more by ship and stopping the cross country container rail shipments that we see now. In other words less container shipments, less American railroad jobs. Yes there will be some container shipments but just not the long haul ones.

To answer Ed's question--Yes this country is as screwed up as it has ever been. It is not just you Ed. Many Americans are very unhappy with the current shape of the country. But our elected officials don't listen to us, they listen to big business who lines their pockets with cash and it is the cash doing the talking.

OK, time to step down from the soap box, but if thing don't change that soap box may become a soup box (hope you all catch that).

As someone said recently, "I can't stay frosty on this one".

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard



We are sending 87billon dollars to a country sitting on more oil than Exxon/Mobil, Phillips, Shell and BP Petroleum could refine in a thousand years?

Just exactly what the hell did I miss here?
Is it just me, or does this sound and look out of kilter to you guys too?
Ed

Agreeded. Ready now to run, remember you have at least half a dozen votes. [;)]

I supppport our troops 1000 %. They didn't choose where they are now. I remain unsold on the mess over there. I believe the American people were lied to and forced to believe made up info so you know who could further his political career and secure 4 more.

If we are footing the bill for their rebuilding then their oil ought to be shipped over here in return for their brand new schools, hospitals, roads, etc, etc, etc,. Our gas prices would drop and should drop to pre 1970 levels. Any ally should be given a share also. TO HELL WITH WORLD OPINION. HAS WORLD OPINION DONE ANYTHING FOR THE UNITED STATES. In one of the other threads someone suggested that we tell the foreigners that "our money is needed at home". Our gas prices are at records highs again thanks to this b s.

The new issue of Trains mag is out now. They make some very good comments about Amtrak. Our current government wants to let private companies operate passenger service over the freight railroad's tracks using Amtrak's right to run trains. In other words anything not along the "corridor" will not ever have passenger service again. Passenger service is government paid for in any country that has it. It must be here too. They also want the states to pay 50 % of the costs involved in the passenger service. This at a time when most states are cutting back any and every public service they can cut, and even those they can't.

Take your own unofficial poll. Ask your friends if they will ever fly again? Some might say yes but that they are not happy doing so. We cannnot stop Amtrak. It is a service that really should be expanded. Can Ed get on an Amtrak train in Houston? Does YOUR CITY OR TOWN HAVE AN AMTRAK TRAIN? Just as Ed pointed out we need money here. So why do we send it out by boat load to go to countries that don't give a damn about us? We have children, homeless and ill veterans, and even our own service people (who live on base and can't afford to feed their own family because of their poor paid as a serviceman) who need help. It is past time that we help ourselves and keep our money home where it can help us and not them. I don't want to be heartless but we have many problems here so why look for problems overseas to throw money to when it could be thrown here!

I read where oversea shippers are looking at shipping their cargo more by ship and stopping the cross country container rail shipments that we see now. In other words less container shipments, less American railroad jobs. Yes there will be some container shipments but just not the long haul ones.

To answer Ed's question--Yes this country is as screwed up as it has ever been. It is not just you Ed. Many Americans are very unhappy with the current shape of the country. But our elected officials don't listen to us, they listen to big business who lines their pockets with cash and it is the cash doing the talking.

OK, time to step down from the soap box, but if thing don't change that soap box may become a soup box (hope you all catch that).

As someone said recently, "I can't stay frosty on this one".

[Mookie]

The airlines are now going to code you for screening. My good $ is on the bet that the terrorists won't strike at the airlines. While we are busy watching the airports, they will do something completely different. Oklahoma was done using a truck!

We are weakening ourselves, all by ourselves - spending into a deficit that is insurmountable, taking out entire sections of the country with bad electrical lines and electing top officials that think war is good for the country!

The Mook is very political, but not going to mouth-off here. Only to say that I agree with the above!

So let's keep subsidizing a mode of transportation that is going to singe a lot of the traveling public with their ridiculous rules and regs making travel by air an inconvenience. Brilliant!

Mookie

[Mookie]

The airlines are now going to code you for screening. My good $ is on the bet that the terrorists won't strike at the airlines. While we are busy watching the airports, they will do something completely different. Oklahoma was done using a truck!

We are weakening ourselves, all by ourselves - spending into a deficit that is insurmountable, taking out entire sections of the country with bad electrical lines and electing top officials that think war is good for the country!

The Mook is very political, but not going to mouth-off here. Only to say that I agree with the above!

So let's keep subsidizing a mode of transportation that is going to singe a lot of the traveling public with their ridiculous rules and regs making travel by air an inconvenience. Brilliant!

Mookie

[edblysard]

I agree with Jenny, as long as we live in a open society, the chance for another attack is great, and most likely it will not be with airplanes.
I for one, dont wi***o live in a closed society,(been there, done that) its a stagnent and un productive way of life.
I am sitting here, listening to children reading the names of the dead from 9/11, and it is a chilling reminder of the cost of freedom, but the alternative may be even worse, American *** arent that far underground.

Dont ever kid yourselfs, this war wasnt about spreading democracy, or democratic ideals and concepts, nor was it about toppleing a evil dictator and his henchmen, (for the most part, the same guys still run the goverment there)

This war was soley a military and political venture to guarantee a future share of the oil reserves under Iraq.
If you dont think engineers from Royal Dutch Shell and BP Petroleum wernt a few mile behind the advancing front lines checking on their exsisting wellheads, and looking for new drill sites, think again.

If the overthrow and removal of Saddan and his goverment was the goal, we failed.
Tell me to my face the guys at the shop, or the NSA, both of whom have phone taps into the Soviets military headquaters at the Kremlin, couldnt find a man who lives such a extrordanary life in such a public manner?
This, from the people who have more military hardware orbiting the earth, capable of receiving and listening in on any cell phone, radio phone, radio and microwave vioce and data transmissions than all the other countries in the world combined?

Nonsense!

To compare what we are doing in Iraq to the Marshal plan is a insult to that fine General.
The Marshal plan made it clear that the rebuilding of the affected countries would be based upon that country willingly participating in the effort.
It assures autonomy for the countries, but also forced the European countries to assist each other through economic efforts and political unity.
In Japan, its sole effort was to not change the fundamental way of life of the average citizen, but to alter the political machine of a country that could fit inside Oaklahoma, but managed to wage a world wide war.

We wrote a constitution for them that insured such basic things as the right to own land and vote for women, but it also made sure that Japan would no longer have a standing army, air force or navy, only a national police force.

We, the American people, provide military service and protection for Japan.
We are their standing army.
This guarantees that they will never be able to wage a world war again.

In Iraq, we are not rebuilding their militay forces, we are just renaming them.
We are not doing away with the secret police, we are just removing the word secret from their name.
I see no major effort to insure that the basic political and military machine that allowed Saddam to gain total control is being changed, which tells me that our goverment has entered into a type of contract with the Bath party, and the other extreme parties there, allowing them to keep the control and power, alibet under new names.
This leaves the question of why?
Because they control something our goverment wants.
And the only thing they have in that forsaken country in any abundence is oil and sand, and we already have lots of sand here in America.

We are not going to win their hearts and minds with the bounty and abundence of American goods, and most certainly we could never make that place into a mini America.
Understand this, the people there live the way they do because they chose too!
Their major religions teach them to live that way, they have never seen or heard of anything else, for time on end that country and those surrounding it have been kingdoms, rulled by monarchs who claim apointment to their position by God.
These people neither want nor require our way of life, you would be trying to overcome centuries upon centuries of traditions that the general populace regards as the only way of life.
They dont want Nikes, Chevys or hot dogs!
We saw how well that worked in Vietnam.

For a goverment and military that went to war, we showed a remarkable amount of restraint!
History has taught that to win any conflict, you have to win the people over to your cause.
To do so, you have to offer the people a better way of life than they already have, or beat them into submission.
The first one works, the second one never does.

The people there do not want change, and contrary to what we, as a free people would like to belive, would gladly accept a new dictator as horrible as Saddam, as long as he didnt change the status quo much.

It is a culture as alien as we could imagine, as far away from the American lifestyle as one can get.

You will never change their basic religion or belief system, and to most of the general public there, Bin Ladden and Saddam are heros, strong leaders that they, the public, will follow willingly.

We have been sold a false bill, what we are watching now is the culmination of a business deal, not the expansion of democracy or the freeing of an oppressed people.

We will do nothing more than replace one dictator with another, in exchange for a guarantee of access to the oil under their dictatorships and the right to build McDonalds and Starbucks in their major cities.

And the beat goes on.
Ed

[edblysard]

I agree with Jenny, as long as we live in a open society, the chance for another attack is great, and most likely it will not be with airplanes.
I for one, dont wi***o live in a closed society,(been there, done that) its a stagnent and un productive way of life.
I am sitting here, listening to children reading the names of the dead from 9/11, and it is a chilling reminder of the cost of freedom, but the alternative may be even worse, American *** arent that far underground.

Dont ever kid yourselfs, this war wasnt about spreading democracy, or democratic ideals and concepts, nor was it about toppleing a evil dictator and his henchmen, (for the most part, the same guys still run the goverment there)

This war was soley a military and political venture to guarantee a future share of the oil reserves under Iraq.
If you dont think engineers from Royal Dutch Shell and BP Petroleum wernt a few mile behind the advancing front lines checking on their exsisting wellheads, and looking for new drill sites, think again.

If the overthrow and removal of Saddan and his goverment was the goal, we failed.
Tell me to my face the guys at the shop, or the NSA, both of whom have phone taps into the Soviets military headquaters at the Kremlin, couldnt find a man who lives such a extrordanary life in such a public manner?
This, from the people who have more military hardware orbiting the earth, capable of receiving and listening in on any cell phone, radio phone, radio and microwave vioce and data transmissions than all the other countries in the world combined?

Nonsense!

To compare what we are doing in Iraq to the Marshal plan is a insult to that fine General.
The Marshal plan made it clear that the rebuilding of the affected countries would be based upon that country willingly participating in the effort.
It assures autonomy for the countries, but also forced the European countries to assist each other through economic efforts and political unity.
In Japan, its sole effort was to not change the fundamental way of life of the average citizen, but to alter the political machine of a country that could fit inside Oaklahoma, but managed to wage a world wide war.

We wrote a constitution for them that insured such basic things as the right to own land and vote for women, but it also made sure that Japan would no longer have a standing army, air force or navy, only a national police force.

We, the American people, provide military service and protection for Japan.
We are their standing army.
This guarantees that they will never be able to wage a world war again.

In Iraq, we are not rebuilding their militay forces, we are just renaming them.
We are not doing away with the secret police, we are just removing the word secret from their name.
I see no major effort to insure that the basic political and military machine that allowed Saddam to gain total control is being changed, which tells me that our goverment has entered into a type of contract with the Bath party, and the other extreme parties there, allowing them to keep the control and power, alibet under new names.
This leaves the question of why?
Because they control something our goverment wants.
And the only thing they have in that forsaken country in any abundence is oil and sand, and we already have lots of sand here in America.

We are not going to win their hearts and minds with the bounty and abundence of American goods, and most certainly we could never make that place into a mini America.
Understand this, the people there live the way they do because they chose too!
Their major religions teach them to live that way, they have never seen or heard of anything else, for time on end that country and those surrounding it have been kingdoms, rulled by monarchs who claim apointment to their position by God.
These people neither want nor require our way of life, you would be trying to overcome centuries upon centuries of traditions that the general populace regards as the only way of life.
They dont want Nikes, Chevys or hot dogs!
We saw how well that worked in Vietnam.

For a goverment and military that went to war, we showed a remarkable amount of restraint!
History has taught that to win any conflict, you have to win the people over to your cause.
To do so, you have to offer the people a better way of life than they already have, or beat them into submission.
The first one works, the second one never does.

The people there do not want change, and contrary to what we, as a free people would like to belive, would gladly accept a new dictator as horrible as Saddam, as long as he didnt change the status quo much.

It is a culture as alien as we could imagine, as far away from the American lifestyle as one can get.

You will never change their basic religion or belief system, and to most of the general public there, Bin Ladden and Saddam are heros, strong leaders that they, the public, will follow willingly.

We have been sold a false bill, what we are watching now is the culmination of a business deal, not the expansion of democracy or the freeing of an oppressed people.

We will do nothing more than replace one dictator with another, in exchange for a guarantee of access to the oil under their dictatorships and the right to build McDonalds and Starbucks in their major cities.

And the beat goes on.
Ed

[Mookie]

Ed - you would be a wonderful partner to spar with over politics - except that I agree with you. So we will just have to sit and have coffee and shake our heads a lot!

Jen

[Mookie]

Ed - you would be a wonderful partner to spar with over politics - except that I agree with you. So we will just have to sit and have coffee and shake our heads a lot!

Jen

[JoeKoh]

lets keep the money here for those who need it!
stay safe
joe

[JoeKoh]

lets keep the money here for those who need it!
stay safe
joe

[vsmith]

People in this country need to learn ONE simple rule...

Bushes belong in the Rose Garden, Not in the Oval Office...


Please DO NOT get me started talking about BeelzeBush !
They will lock down this topic.
His father jacked up the country, and now like father like son...

[vsmith]

People in this country need to learn ONE simple rule...

Bushes belong in the Rose Garden, Not in the Oval Office...


Please DO NOT get me started talking about BeelzeBush !
They will lock down this topic.
His father jacked up the country, and now like father like son...

[Anonymous]

Congradulations on your fourth star Mookie![8D][8D]
Stay cool.

[Anonymous]

Congradulations on your fourth star Mookie![8D][8D]
Stay cool.

[Anonymous]

Look, i am heavily involved in polotics and what goes on. Yes i support your trops in Iraq, i really do.. it wasn't their choice to be there.. Do i support Bush? delcately: NO! , would i re elct him again, if i was a voter? NO! but the trops are justr following commands.. if they had an option they would not have gone ( although some will fake it, and say they would go) The fact is. iraq is not a threat to freedom, don't get me wrong i wouldn't have tea with Sa-dumb, but he posed no "NUCLEAR" or "Biological" threat on the united states, i knew it, most americans knew it, even bush knows it himself, but he'd never admit it now. Do i think sadams a creep? Yes, do i think Bin laden should live? no... Do i think that he has changed forever the way americans and canadians feel about safety?.. yes Would i ever duct tape the doors on the house or put plastic around them? msot likely not.. do i live in fear of anthrax? no... do i lock the door to the control cab when i'm operating a train so people can't hijack the train.. or train jack.. or whatever...? No.. i'm not anti social... I love talking with the passengers.. Has 9/11 changed my life? Yes.. so certain things have changed in my life, and certain things wont.. like... I don't love my Grilfriend any less... Neither should any of you! (be it wives, husbands.. etc.). i don't feel in to bad shape about my security.. i'm iffy about another attack... Living in fear of anohter attack... is like living in fear of the Bubonic plague...

Live life to the max!

But these are just my opinions.. if you don't agree, thats cool. no one has to agree with everything i say.

[Anonymous]

Look, i am heavily involved in polotics and what goes on. Yes i support your trops in Iraq, i really do.. it wasn't their choice to be there.. Do i support Bush? delcately: NO! , would i re elct him again, if i was a voter? NO! but the trops are justr following commands.. if they had an option they would not have gone ( although some will fake it, and say they would go) The fact is. iraq is not a threat to freedom, don't get me wrong i wouldn't have tea with Sa-dumb, but he posed no "NUCLEAR" or "Biological" threat on the united states, i knew it, most americans knew it, even bush knows it himself, but he'd never admit it now. Do i think sadams a creep? Yes, do i think Bin laden should live? no... Do i think that he has changed forever the way americans and canadians feel about safety?.. yes Would i ever duct tape the doors on the house or put plastic around them? msot likely not.. do i live in fear of anthrax? no... do i lock the door to the control cab when i'm operating a train so people can't hijack the train.. or train jack.. or whatever...? No.. i'm not anti social... I love talking with the passengers.. Has 9/11 changed my life? Yes.. so certain things have changed in my life, and certain things wont.. like... I don't love my Grilfriend any less... Neither should any of you! (be it wives, husbands.. etc.). i don't feel in to bad shape about my security.. i'm iffy about another attack... Living in fear of anohter attack... is like living in fear of the Bubonic plague...

Live life to the max!

But these are just my opinions.. if you don't agree, thats cool. no one has to agree with everything i say.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Alaskaman

Congradulations on your fourth star Mookie![8D][8D]
Stay cool.

Thanx Alaska! You know - Da Mook is always cool! ( or is it chilled or frosty or...something like that!)

Mookie

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Alaskaman

Congradulations on your fourth star Mookie![8D][8D]
Stay cool.

Thanx Alaska! You know - Da Mook is always cool! ( or is it chilled or frosty or...something like that!)

Mookie

[JoeKoh]

congrats on your 4 th star.Like I said why give our money to some ungrateful backstabbing nation when we need the help here.
stay safe
joe

[JoeKoh]

congrats on your 4 th star.Like I said why give our money to some ungrateful backstabbing nation when we need the help here.
stay safe
joe

[Mookie]

I wasn't in favor of the war - didn't think we had investigated it enough. I think we were sold a bill of goods, in a rush. Our domestic situation wasn't all that good, so let's have a war and divert attention. We never have had solid proof there was something to go to war over. Still don't. Looks to me like we were on an ego trip at the expense of a lot of our young people!

But you know, I don't expect the citizens of the USA to make any changes in the next election. They rant about the conditions, but then go right back to the polls and re-elect the same people all over again. Or maybe they don't, but the hanging chads get them!

Disgusted Mookie

[Mookie]

I wasn't in favor of the war - didn't think we had investigated it enough. I think we were sold a bill of goods, in a rush. Our domestic situation wasn't all that good, so let's have a war and divert attention. We never have had solid proof there was something to go to war over. Still don't. Looks to me like we were on an ego trip at the expense of a lot of our young people!

But you know, I don't expect the citizens of the USA to make any changes in the next election. They rant about the conditions, but then go right back to the polls and re-elect the same people all over again. Or maybe they don't, but the hanging chads get them!

Disgusted Mookie

[edblysard]

Not real sure we elect the same people over and over, but instead, we elect the same type of people.
After Kennedy, I dont really see where the American people have elected a real leader, although Regan came very close.
We have allowed the media, and the politicans spin doctors to teach us that this is how we are supposed to elect our president by chosing the best out of a bad lot, instead of looking for someone to lead.

Which is why Arnold may win out west,
if nothing more, he presents the image of a strong leader, which California seems to have been lacking for years.
Wether there is anything behind the beefcake, only time will tell.
But its funny, when Regan was governer, California was the place business went.

When Kennedy said "the nations number one goal is to send a man to the moon, and return him to earth safely, before this decade is out", you belived him completly.
If GW came on TV, and said the nations number one goal was to send colonist to the moon, and establi***he first true lunar base, the first thing I would think is more NASA porkbarrel spending, and I would start looking for the funding ridders for his buddies pet projects.

When following a leader we belive in, Americans are capable of moving mountains.

Look at the lunar landing.
With technology that I wouldnt trust to turn on a toaster correctly, we went to another plant, landed, collected samples, and returned to our earth.

All because Kennedy said we could, and we should!
Did America benefit from that?
Sure, your typing on a product directly descended from the space race.
The cell phone you call granny on is another byproduct.

I bet those of you who were alive on July 20th, 1969, remember exactly where you were and what you were doing when Neil Armstong said "Houston, Tranquility base here, the Eagle has landed".

The words "One small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind" were spoken from the moon by an America, expressing the sentiment of a nation that belived in itself totally as the leader of the free world.

Kennedy didnt promise any reward from this when he made the speech that culminated in Armstrong putting the first of thousands of American foot prints in the lunar soil.

Instead he made it clear that we, the American people, would go and do this, and many other great things, not because it was easy or profitable but exactly the opposite, because it was hard and dangerous, but that as Americans, we were responsible and willing to lead the way.

Stop and think about this, on later missions, we sent a dune buggy to the moon!
Can you think of any other country who could do that?

Find me any politician today that can inspire the nation to put a man back on the moon, not because we get laptops or cellphones out of the deal, but simply because, as the greatest nation on the planet, we want too, and we can!

Find me a leader like that, and I will vote for him, or her!
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[edblysard]

Not real sure we elect the same people over and over, but instead, we elect the same type of people.
After Kennedy, I dont really see where the American people have elected a real leader, although Regan came very close.
We have allowed the media, and the politicans spin doctors to teach us that this is how we are supposed to elect our president by chosing the best out of a bad lot, instead of looking for someone to lead.

Which is why Arnold may win out west,
if nothing more, he presents the image of a strong leader, which California seems to have been lacking for years.
Wether there is anything behind the beefcake, only time will tell.
But its funny, when Regan was governer, California was the place business went.

When Kennedy said "the nations number one goal is to send a man to the moon, and return him to earth safely, before this decade is out", you belived him completly.
If GW came on TV, and said the nations number one goal was to send colonist to the moon, and establi***he first true lunar base, the first thing I would think is more NASA porkbarrel spending, and I would start looking for the funding ridders for his buddies pet projects.

When following a leader we belive in, Americans are capable of moving mountains.

Look at the lunar landing.
With technology that I wouldnt trust to turn on a toaster correctly, we went to another plant, landed, collected samples, and returned to our earth.

All because Kennedy said we could, and we should!
Did America benefit from that?
Sure, your typing on a product directly descended from the space race.
The cell phone you call granny on is another byproduct.

I bet those of you who were alive on July 20th, 1969, remember exactly where you were and what you were doing when Neil Armstong said "Houston, Tranquility base here, the Eagle has landed".

The words "One small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind" were spoken from the moon by an America, expressing the sentiment of a nation that belived in itself totally as the leader of the free world.

Kennedy didnt promise any reward from this when he made the speech that culminated in Armstrong putting the first of thousands of American foot prints in the lunar soil.

Instead he made it clear that we, the American people, would go and do this, and many other great things, not because it was easy or profitable but exactly the opposite, because it was hard and dangerous, but that as Americans, we were responsible and willing to lead the way.

Stop and think about this, on later missions, we sent a dune buggy to the moon!
Can you think of any other country who could do that?

Find me any politician today that can inspire the nation to put a man back on the moon, not because we get laptops or cellphones out of the deal, but simply because, as the greatest nation on the planet, we want too, and we can!

Find me a leader like that, and I will vote for him, or her!
Stay Frosty,
Ed

[Anonymous]

Hey i must give congradulations to bush, he's the only president to run up a 538 billion dollar deficit.. in less then 4 years..

that really is pretty impressive..
you'll never hear me say "thats pretty impressive" to a bad situation ever again, because i reserve that saying for good things, but you gotta admit.. 538 billion dollars is alot of money.. that beats my yearkly salery by a few bananas..

Imagine what 538 billion dollars could get you at the the dollar store.. ~ around 537, 999, 998, 684 different 1 dollar articles (number varies based on tax percentage)

Could 10% of 538 billion be spent on schools.. and other needy things? that are.. you know.. slightly more important?

i support the troops 1000%, i support bush -1000%

[Anonymous]

Hey i must give congradulations to bush, he's the only president to run up a 538 billion dollar deficit.. in less then 4 years..

that really is pretty impressive..
you'll never hear me say "thats pretty impressive" to a bad situation ever again, because i reserve that saying for good things, but you gotta admit.. 538 billion dollars is alot of money.. that beats my yearkly salery by a few bananas..

Imagine what 538 billion dollars could get you at the the dollar store.. ~ around 537, 999, 998, 684 different 1 dollar articles (number varies based on tax percentage)

Could 10% of 538 billion be spent on schools.. and other needy things? that are.. you know.. slightly more important?

i support the troops 1000%, i support bush -1000%