drawbars revisited

[Mookie]

Thanks *** - I did go to Google and looked at their images on different websites. Some of them were ok, but a lot were either so far away or so dark, I couldn't really see them. I will go check out these new places over my lunch hour.

Jen

[Mookie]

Thanks *** - I did go to Google and looked at their images on different websites. Some of them were ok, but a lot were either so far away or so dark, I couldn't really see them. I will go check out these new places over my lunch hour.

Jen

[wabash1]

Jen

Look at it this way what you saw was 2 flats coupled together with a solid drawbar. no coupler. the other cars these guys are talking about is stack cars. same thing they just take 3 or five of them and permanatly couple these cars together. that is it as far as the cars go.

Now lets go one step farther. what we call stack is trailers ( containers) with no wheels these trailers go to a yard and is off loaded to a chassie to be hauld to destination. flat cars hold complete trailers. ( wheels and all) and are off loaded also the perpose of the containers are it may have come in on a ship from overseas or may be sent over seas. makes them stackable to save space. unless you really wanted to get in with both feet it dont matter wither it is a spine or a articulate car. they pull the same and do mostly the same thing. just the type of trailer they hold is differant.

[wabash1]

Jen

Look at it this way what you saw was 2 flats coupled together with a solid drawbar. no coupler. the other cars these guys are talking about is stack cars. same thing they just take 3 or five of them and permanatly couple these cars together. that is it as far as the cars go.

Now lets go one step farther. what we call stack is trailers ( containers) with no wheels these trailers go to a yard and is off loaded to a chassie to be hauld to destination. flat cars hold complete trailers. ( wheels and all) and are off loaded also the perpose of the containers are it may have come in on a ship from overseas or may be sent over seas. makes them stackable to save space. unless you really wanted to get in with both feet it dont matter wither it is a spine or a articulate car. they pull the same and do mostly the same thing. just the type of trailer they hold is differant.

[mudchicken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rkloster


Next, I would look at Greenbrier's site. Greenbrier pioneered the development of double-stack techonlogy with SP back in the late 1970's/early 1980's and curently builds more new double-stack cars than anyone else: http://www.gbrx.com/products/products_frame.html.

SP pioneered double stacks & spine cars? I think not & it was Santa Fe who came out with an odd shaped (not square) double stack that sat on a spine car. It's a shame one of those car containers didn't make it to a museum after sitting in San Bernardino for years.

Somebody better get ready to explain to Mookie what an IBC is as well....(Hint: it's not an itty-bitty-chinaman)

[mudchicken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by rkloster


Next, I would look at Greenbrier's site. Greenbrier pioneered the development of double-stack techonlogy with SP back in the late 1970's/early 1980's and curently builds more new double-stack cars than anyone else: http://www.gbrx.com/products/products_frame.html.

SP pioneered double stacks & spine cars? I think not & it was Santa Fe who came out with an odd shaped (not square) double stack that sat on a spine car. It's a shame one of those car containers didn't make it to a museum after sitting in San Bernardino for years.

Somebody better get ready to explain to Mookie what an IBC is as well....(Hint: it's not an itty-bitty-chinaman)

[Anonymous]

Santa Fe invented spine cars, but it was the SP/Greenbrier team that invented the doublestack revolution. In fact, Santa Fe for a while, after SP and UP had both addopted stacks, said they were going to stick with TOFC rather than stacks. Of course the economics of stacks eventually swayed them to change their position and also adopt stacks.

[Anonymous]

Santa Fe invented spine cars, but it was the SP/Greenbrier team that invented the doublestack revolution. In fact, Santa Fe for a while, after SP and UP had both addopted stacks, said they were going to stick with TOFC rather than stacks. Of course the economics of stacks eventually swayed them to change their position and also adopt stacks.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

Jen

Look at it this way what you saw was 2 flats coupled together with a solid drawbar. no coupler. the other cars these guys are talking about is stack cars. same thing they just take 3 or five of them and permanatly couple these cars together. that is it as far as the cars go.

Gentlemen: To all who have tried to "straighten me out" - it's a long line.

Anyway - I went home and we had our usual suppertime conversation - what I found on the forum. With a lot of hand waving, flapping and pointing (we look like a mime convention) we came to the same conclusion.

First, I know the difference between containers and trailers. That made this even more interesting. I remember thinking at the time - this particular pig train had FLAT cars - no wells, no restraints that were visable and they weren't double stacks. Only one container high! So what kept the containers from sliding off? Weight?

The entire train consisted of 3 sets, 5 sets (I can count to 5) with shared wheels. AND a couple of these odd ones that looked exactly like regular FLAT cars only they shared ONE LONG Drawbar. Each had its own wheels. NO COUPLERS. I don't know how they were attached and if they had an air line, it was hidden from view - it didn't hang down like air hoses usually do.

Could it have been made that way - in sets of two - sharing a single drawbar or two long drawbars pinned together?

2 sets of eyes saw exactly this and since his are better than mine, I figure we got it right!

Mookie

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

Jen

Look at it this way what you saw was 2 flats coupled together with a solid drawbar. no coupler. the other cars these guys are talking about is stack cars. same thing they just take 3 or five of them and permanatly couple these cars together. that is it as far as the cars go.

Gentlemen: To all who have tried to "straighten me out" - it's a long line.

Anyway - I went home and we had our usual suppertime conversation - what I found on the forum. With a lot of hand waving, flapping and pointing (we look like a mime convention) we came to the same conclusion.

First, I know the difference between containers and trailers. That made this even more interesting. I remember thinking at the time - this particular pig train had FLAT cars - no wells, no restraints that were visable and they weren't double stacks. Only one container high! So what kept the containers from sliding off? Weight?

The entire train consisted of 3 sets, 5 sets (I can count to 5) with shared wheels. AND a couple of these odd ones that looked exactly like regular FLAT cars only they shared ONE LONG Drawbar. Each had its own wheels. NO COUPLERS. I don't know how they were attached and if they had an air line, it was hidden from view - it didn't hang down like air hoses usually do.

Could it have been made that way - in sets of two - sharing a single drawbar or two long drawbars pinned together?

2 sets of eyes saw exactly this and since his are better than mine, I figure we got it right!

Mookie

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

Somebody better get ready to explain to Mookie what an IBC is as well....(Hint: it's not an itty-bitty-chinaman)

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken

Somebody better get ready to explain to Mookie what an IBC is as well....(Hint: it's not an itty-bitty-chinaman)