missouri free weekend

[cabforward]

there are people who bait others into an argument and there are people who look for someone to draw into them into an argument so they can get upset about something..

this is some of both.. missouri did show bias against r.rs. and he didn't care who knew it..

others who have some knowledge about r.rs. obviously got a turn-on debating the issue(s).. some prowl discussions hoping to show-off what they know and bullying others away from the topic.. i nominate detour kevin for the lifetime achievement award in this category..

it takes 2 to make an argument.. what if noone answered missouri.. what influence would he have then? which is worse, a missouri who posts half-truths about r.rs., or detour kevin, who behaves like a gorilla on steroids?

who has the chance to show more maturity and control, the goofus who posts messages that makes people angry, or the moron who responds with a unique form of terrorism?

it is not what happens to us, it is how we respond that shows the true measure of our wisdom..

missouri took cheap shots at r.rs., the workers and management.. he offended many who work in the industry and many railfans.. but really, didn't anger in replies give him what he wanted? every angry word gave him the reinforcement to keep writing.. and there were plenty of short-sighted people who itched for the chance to tell him off, pouring more gas on the fire..

telling him off gave missouri more fuel to write more, angering more people to reply to him, giving him more fuel, etc..

this was mutual combat between missouri and everyone who rose to the occasion with a '[bleep] you'
..

if i had to assign blame to one side, and there is plenty for both sides, i must choose those who replied to missouri with anger, foul language and general bad deportment..

missouri upset many people who posted replies and many more who read his messages without posting.. reading the very limited forum policy on posting messages, missouri did nothing (or very little) wrong in posting anti-r.r. messages..

the forum policy bans foul language, personal attacks, disrespect for others.. that's it..

missouri posted his beliefs and alleged reports from sources which were suspect.. but if he wants to believe this, so what? if he wants to post it, so what? nobody has a gun against their head to post an angry reply to missouri.. you don't like it, fine! post a message that says you disagree and let it go! everybody can post a message that says they disagree, and then they should all let it go!

what is the post that has had the most number of replies recently? can you take a guess? it's missouri, dudes! missouri has a zillion messages telling him how dumb he is, how wrong he is, how everyone should ignore him, blah-blah-blah! guess what, nobody ignores him, they keep writing!

know why? because they like it!! they like it like people who drive by an accident slow down to look at the bodies, the blood and the expressions on the faces of the victims, the police, etc..

would people post angry messages to missouri if they didn't want to and didn't enjoy running this guy out-of-town?? is this a trick question??

the threat to this forum is not the nutcase who posts ideas that outrage 99% of people, it's the goofballs who can't wait to lynch anyone with an idea that goes against their grain or the beliefs that they have held since they were old enough to have a belief..

missouri was nutty and weird, but he wanted to do something, and he did it.. he got hundreds upset over a truly banal topic that shouldn't have alarmed a fly from a kitchen table: do r.rs. use due care in locating and maintaining warning systems at r.r. crossings?

it wasn't missouri that sent this forum careening downhill at top speed.. he released the hand brake, but it was the people who went out-of-control and took everything as a personal insult
that brought this wreck down..

maybe it's better that missouri take the time out, as he was one person, and it's easier this way.. but this whole thing says more about those who answered missouri's posts than what missouri said that started it..

[zardoz]

I have the utmost confidence that those 'unmentionable' person(s) are going to feel the Wrath of Voss.

[zardoz]

I have the utmost confidence that those 'unmentionable' person(s) are going to feel the Wrath of Voss.

[Anonymous]

I hate to BURST everyones bubble.. but it seems to be as missouri free a weekend as it was free food weekend at the grocery store.

Now apparently this place is Mob rule, so if you can't beat the Crowd.. Join them.

Kick his *** Dave! make sure his abuse becomes no longer apparent on this Websites forums.

[Anonymous]

I hate to BURST everyones bubble.. but it seems to be as missouri free a weekend as it was free food weekend at the grocery store.

Now apparently this place is Mob rule, so if you can't beat the Crowd.. Join them.

Kick his *** Dave! make sure his abuse becomes no longer apparent on this Websites forums.

[JoeKoh]

QUOTE: Originally posted by drailed1999

obviously i missed a little excitement over the weekend. it seems that everyone has covered the bases about misSOURi. so the only thing i have to add is, GIVE HIM THE BOOT DAVID, PLEASE.

because its missouri 1
missouri 2
misssouri 3 strikes your out of this trains forum game.
my apoligies to the harry carry family
stay safe
joe [:)]

[JoeKoh]

QUOTE: Originally posted by drailed1999

obviously i missed a little excitement over the weekend. it seems that everyone has covered the bases about misSOURi. so the only thing i have to add is, GIVE HIM THE BOOT DAVID, PLEASE.

because its missouri 1
missouri 2
misssouri 3 strikes your out of this trains forum game.
my apoligies to the harry carry family
stay safe
joe [:)]

[Anonymous]

obviously i missed a little excitement over the weekend. it seems that everyone has covered the bases about misSOURi. so the only thing i have to add is, GIVE HIM THE BOOT DAVID, PLEASE.

[Anonymous]

obviously i missed a little excitement over the weekend. it seems that everyone has covered the bases about misSOURi. so the only thing i have to add is, GIVE HIM THE BOOT DAVID, PLEASE.

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by David Voss

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1
This person can always reenter the site under a new name, so to ban a particular name is probably more symbolic than anything.

While it is true to some degree, a quick trip into work, a couple strokes on the keyboard and he'll never see this site again. It's not 100% fool-proof, but would require some effort and hassle to get around it. [}:)]

Had he accepted this for a weekend, I most likely would have had to unlock his account Monday and give him another chance. All I can say now is that some people just never listen.

And aren't we fortunate that they don't, otherwise we would never be rid of him and his kind.

Jen

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by David Voss

QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz1
This person can always reenter the site under a new name, so to ban a particular name is probably more symbolic than anything.

While it is true to some degree, a quick trip into work, a couple strokes on the keyboard and he'll never see this site again. It's not 100% fool-proof, but would require some effort and hassle to get around it. [}:)]

Had he accepted this for a weekend, I most likely would have had to unlock his account Monday and give him another chance. All I can say now is that some people just never listen.

And aren't we fortunate that they don't, otherwise we would never be rid of him and his kind.

Jen

[Anonymous]

Hey Paul 3... you must not live in Canada. I'm holding my ISP contract, which is 4 pages long.. a meere picture book compared to my friend's American "Comcast" ISP sontract, which is 32 pages long.

That being Said, it is fully known that Canada is more Liberal. The united States is Quite conservative compared to us.. Not that theres anyhtign Wrong with that!

I act based on my social up bringing, and the society i have been surrounded by since i was 1. I Am not Socially inept, a pain, a nuissance to society or any of that.

And you see what i mean? you'll never be able to block missouri for good, you got 1, 2, 3 there now.. sure you can block 1 throguh 4... then he'll come up with missouri04.. how many other people out there mastered in psycology..?

you take it away from him... he'll only do it more.

now you've givin him a real "Axe to grind" and he will stop at nothing now. this is known as "Freight train" type behavior.

You can Delete him, get rid of him all you want.. by doing so your only making the problem worse..

I believe this is the part where the Captain of the titanic is delivered the ice berg warning and is told to slow down.. but the captain doesn't listen.

Where is the Titanic now?

[Anonymous]

Hey Paul 3... you must not live in Canada. I'm holding my ISP contract, which is 4 pages long.. a meere picture book compared to my friend's American "Comcast" ISP sontract, which is 32 pages long.

That being Said, it is fully known that Canada is more Liberal. The united States is Quite conservative compared to us.. Not that theres anyhtign Wrong with that!

I act based on my social up bringing, and the society i have been surrounded by since i was 1. I Am not Socially inept, a pain, a nuissance to society or any of that.

And you see what i mean? you'll never be able to block missouri for good, you got 1, 2, 3 there now.. sure you can block 1 throguh 4... then he'll come up with missouri04.. how many other people out there mastered in psycology..?

you take it away from him... he'll only do it more.

now you've givin him a real "Axe to grind" and he will stop at nothing now. this is known as "Freight train" type behavior.

You can Delete him, get rid of him all you want.. by doing so your only making the problem worse..

I believe this is the part where the Captain of the titanic is delivered the ice berg warning and is told to slow down.. but the captain doesn't listen.

Where is the Titanic now?

[CShaveRR]

I'm in favor of making this a Looooooong weekend!

Whatever you need to do, David, please do it!

[CShaveRR]

I'm in favor of making this a Looooooong weekend!

Whatever you need to do, David, please do it!

[BentnoseWillie]

Drop 15 and punt him. I'll center for you. [:)]

[BentnoseWillie]

Drop 15 and punt him. I'll center for you. [:)]

[Anonymous]

Don't look now, but...

He's BACK!

See above thread by "Missouri3"

LC

[Anonymous]

Don't look now, but...

He's BACK!

See above thread by "Missouri3"

LC

[Anonymous]

I think a topic like [B)]"Getting RAPED with out the vasaline"[B)] a topic of Mo's is WAY out of the basic guide lines that we all agreed on when we signed on to become a member.[:0]

I think of this rule when ever I respond to one of [:o)]loonie tunes[:o)] "TABOO" topics. This guy is [:o)]frickin' nuts! [:o)]He had to spend an hour ranting about his personal experances in the County House Of Corections. Geez I guess that would explain a few things! [V]

[Anonymous]

I think a topic like [B)]"Getting RAPED with out the vasaline"[B)] a topic of Mo's is WAY out of the basic guide lines that we all agreed on when we signed on to become a member.[:0]

I think of this rule when ever I respond to one of [:o)]loonie tunes[:o)] "TABOO" topics. This guy is [:o)]frickin' nuts! [:o)]He had to spend an hour ranting about his personal experances in the County House Of Corections. Geez I guess that would explain a few things! [V]

[vsmith]

Having stated my opinion regarding crossing safety -vs- darwin award winners in other postings, I have said my piece and not having anything further to say on it i previously decided that I would not post a reply to any subject posted by Misery, I mean Missouri. I agree with those who say just ignore any posting by him that has to do with his rants and maybe he'll get the idea that we dont want to play with him if he's going to pee in the sandbox. I do not believe banning anyone is a good idea no matter what they say, the choice is yours, reply and fuel the fire, or disregard and let it die out. I dont know what fuels Misery's, I mean Missouri's rants, maybe a family tragedy, I dont know and I dont want to know. It takes everyone on this forum to decide how we can carry on an intellegent conversation about a subject we may or may not agree with, but we do carry on discussions in a friendly manner for the most part. Its a shame that some people use it as a platform for there own anger or pain.

[vsmith]

Having stated my opinion regarding crossing safety -vs- darwin award winners in other postings, I have said my piece and not having anything further to say on it i previously decided that I would not post a reply to any subject posted by Misery, I mean Missouri. I agree with those who say just ignore any posting by him that has to do with his rants and maybe he'll get the idea that we dont want to play with him if he's going to pee in the sandbox. I do not believe banning anyone is a good idea no matter what they say, the choice is yours, reply and fuel the fire, or disregard and let it die out. I dont know what fuels Misery's, I mean Missouri's rants, maybe a family tragedy, I dont know and I dont want to know. It takes everyone on this forum to decide how we can carry on an intellegent conversation about a subject we may or may not agree with, but we do carry on discussions in a friendly manner for the most part. Its a shame that some people use it as a platform for there own anger or pain.

[JoeKoh]

thanks paul
joe

[JoeKoh]

thanks paul
joe

[Paul3]

I was just waiting for someone to bring this up, as it always seems to on all moderated forums and newsgroups from time to time...

kevinstheRRman wrote:

QUOTE: Thats also impeeding on his right of "Freedom of Speech"...

What makes you think you, he or I have total "Freedom of Speech" on the web? Just try violating your ISP's TOS, and see how much "free speech" you really have. [:p] If you try spamming with your e-mail account, your account will be canceled so fast your head will spin. [:)] Or if you violate any of the other "rules" you agreed to when you purchased your service, the same will happen. Sure, you can sign up again and again, but that's why they ask for money up front, or sometimes have a cancellation fee.

And if you owned your own ISP, even that can still be censored by being put on the RBL (Real-time Blackhole List) that isolates your server from the major networks. Since the Internet works because of the cooperation of multiple nodes and networks, nobody has the absolute authority to do or say anything they want. There is no total "Freedom of Speech" on the internet, or anywhere else for that matter (the old "yelling fire in a crowded theater" example comes to mind).

QUOTE: My opinion based on my feelings...blocking someone because they disagree.. even though they do it in a tiresome, annoying, and bothersome fashion is not a reason to block them... at all.

Trains.com (Kalmbach), a private company, has the right to include or ban anybody they want to. It's their website, they can do what they want, as long as they don't violate their own private agreements with their own ISP. If they want to ban somebody because they have poor puncutation or bad spelling, they can. If they want to only let industry professionals post here, they can. If annoying the vast majority of posters is a reason to kick somebody off, so be it. The only thing you and I can do is either live with their rules and behavior, or leave. Heck, you can even start your own forum, where you can decide who can stay and who must go. [:D]

Personally, I have found Trolls destructive to a group. If you don't keep a lid on them, they multiply in number, feeding off each other's hate (or whatever) until the signal-to-noise ratio exceeds acceptable limits, and all the good posters leave to find greener pastures. That Trains.com has found it necessary to protect their forum by removing somebody because of Trollish behavior is fine with me.

Paul A. Cutler III
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Weather Or No Go New Haven
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[Paul3]

I was just waiting for someone to bring this up, as it always seems to on all moderated forums and newsgroups from time to time...

kevinstheRRman wrote:

QUOTE: Thats also impeeding on his right of "Freedom of Speech"...

What makes you think you, he or I have total "Freedom of Speech" on the web? Just try violating your ISP's TOS, and see how much "free speech" you really have. [:p] If you try spamming with your e-mail account, your account will be canceled so fast your head will spin. [:)] Or if you violate any of the other "rules" you agreed to when you purchased your service, the same will happen. Sure, you can sign up again and again, but that's why they ask for money up front, or sometimes have a cancellation fee.

And if you owned your own ISP, even that can still be censored by being put on the RBL (Real-time Blackhole List) that isolates your server from the major networks. Since the Internet works because of the cooperation of multiple nodes and networks, nobody has the absolute authority to do or say anything they want. There is no total "Freedom of Speech" on the internet, or anywhere else for that matter (the old "yelling fire in a crowded theater" example comes to mind).

QUOTE: My opinion based on my feelings...blocking someone because they disagree.. even though they do it in a tiresome, annoying, and bothersome fashion is not a reason to block them... at all.

Trains.com (Kalmbach), a private company, has the right to include or ban anybody they want to. It's their website, they can do what they want, as long as they don't violate their own private agreements with their own ISP. If they want to ban somebody because they have poor puncutation or bad spelling, they can. If they want to only let industry professionals post here, they can. If annoying the vast majority of posters is a reason to kick somebody off, so be it. The only thing you and I can do is either live with their rules and behavior, or leave. Heck, you can even start your own forum, where you can decide who can stay and who must go. [:D]

Personally, I have found Trolls destructive to a group. If you don't keep a lid on them, they multiply in number, feeding off each other's hate (or whatever) until the signal-to-noise ratio exceeds acceptable limits, and all the good posters leave to find greener pastures. That Trains.com has found it necessary to protect their forum by removing somebody because of Trollish behavior is fine with me.

Paul A. Cutler III
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Weather Or No Go New Haven
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[JoeKoh]

We all know he's wrong.When you do more harm than good you need to kick him out.
stay safe
joe

[JoeKoh]

We all know he's wrong.When you do more harm than good you need to kick him out.
stay safe
joe

[Anonymous]

Now your all gonna hate me for saying this... but i sort of agree with ED... if we block him... he'll only be EVEN more determined to post his trash here.

Psycology today, Cahpter 2

S child, who is punished and kept away from somehting.. will only become more desperate and sneak around any parental cracks (in htis case just to have his 1.5 cent say)

And your impeeding his right to freedom of speech, you all must remember no one is forcing you to respond to him.. simply ignore him if he drives you that insane.. i love the satisfaction of proving him wrong, sure he'll never admit it.. but WHO CARES? i know he's wrong!

Thats also impeeding on his right of "Freedom of Speech" no offence to anyone.. but this site is EXTREMELY good at doing so, too.

I as a Canadian Take Freedom of speech to the max. Everyone does.. what is the max ? there is none.

For example all communications are modiefied Radios edited and TV edited by the FCC is it? Well in Canada.. it';s the CRTC.. difference? Radios aren't edited, TV is always Un cut, and News casts are permitted to broadcast what they want. Thats they way i'm used to it up here.. sure some radios edit their songs.. we call them the "MTV style" radio stations.. it's not mandadted to edit your songs.. as a matter of fact i believe you have to pay a certain amount more a song.. every time you play an edited song, you impede the artist s right of his Freedom of Speech, and therfore every time a Canadian radio edits one of their songs.. it costs them extra.. and it adds up like hell..

You don't want your kids hearing 4 letter words all day? the CRTC advises:

Don't let your kids outside
Don't let them go through high school
don't let them on the internet
don't let them lsiten to radio
and don't let them watch TV

HEY! that didn't sound like a plan for my parents.. it's not going to be my plan when i'm a parent.. and i'm sure you all let most of your kids outside!

i'm jsut saying, and i would like to NOT BE banned for stating my opinion..
i'm am not critisizing anyone except this site for doing so. pleas eno one argue with me.. this is My opinion based on my feelings not a cheap crap cut and paste job.blocking someone because they disagree.. even though they do it in a tiresome, annoying, and bothersome fashion is not a reason to block them... at all.