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Does anybody miss the Santa Fe Railroad?

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Posted by mloik on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:25 PM
The father of one of my neighbors is about to retire from the AT&SF (he has 40+ years in T&E service). Needless to say, I love to spend time talking to him about his experiences. Hired out in the early 1960's. He loved the old company and considered it like a family. He has never liked the BNSF; he claims they came in and ruined everything with their corporate business model.
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Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:39 PM
The ICC did the ATSF a big favor by rejecting the SPSF merger. The Santa Fe got to keep the non-rail assets (and Ray Krebs) and sold the falling giant to the Rio Grande.

Back in the 1970s the ATSF and the MP talked merger, and the Southern and the MP did as well. An ATSF-MP-Southern merger would have created an awesome railroad.
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Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:43 PM
Pssst...Rob Krebs
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Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:47 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

Pssst...Rob Krebs
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Sorry Rob.
It would be nice to have him on the forum !
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Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

Pssst...Rob Krebs
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Sorry Rob.
It would be nice to have him on the forum !


You never know, he might be.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:44 PM

I wi***hat I can see that many engines on one train, I would like to go railfanning along Route 66 along the Santa Fe line.



QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

...With the mention of power above....one day in Kingman...I was having a bite to eat in a restaurant there on Andy Divine, the main drag through there...and Rt. 66 at the time and a Sante Fe freight came by eastbound and it had 9 engines on the head end and 3 more on the back....I couldn't believe what I was seeing...Impressive...!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:48 PM
Southern Pacific was also a good railroad, I didn't even know that Union Pacific brought out the Southern Pacific Railroad until about 3-4 years after the merger, where was my mind heading into at the time.


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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:49 PM
Thank you for giving me my ATSF fix, I appreciate you doing that.







QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed

If you need a ATSF fix look up my web site listed below

http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg

Then go to the California Aug-Sept gallery & scroll down until you see Barstow & you will find a real/true ATSF war bonnet.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:51 PM
I had no idea that the ATSF-MP-Southern talked about merging into one railroad, which Southern are you talking about? You're not talking about the Southern Pacific Railroad aren't you?


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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:21 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by UnionPacificRR6737

I had no idea that the ATSF-MP-Southern talked about merging into one railroad, which Southern are you talking about? You're not talking about the Southern Pacific Railroad aren't you?



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Does anybody miss the Santa Fe Railroad?
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 4:30 PM
When was the Norfolk Southern Railroad formed? Anyways how did you feel about the MP-UP merger?
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:20 PM
*cue 90's video music* This video will take you through the Santa F- nevermind. I miss ATSF and their nice looking Red-silver-yellow [V]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 5:41 PM
I like the blue/yellow Santa Fe engines the best.


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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:07 AM
Didn't KCS take over the ATSF lines in the Dallas/Garland area just before the BN/SF merger?


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Posted by cpbloom on Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:35 AM
I miss the Santa Fe as much as I miss Conrail. [:(]

and I miss Conrail a lot
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Posted by spbed on Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:15 AM
Your welcome

I have ATSF zippo lighters & mugs & if I decide to get rid of them I will happy to ring you up as you sound like you would appreciate them.

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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:33 AM
Don't nock the AT&SF just because of the atitude of some of its fans. Of course I miss the Santa Fe! The Super Chief was arguably the USA's very best streamliner! Even if the CZ had better scenery more domes and was thus more fun to ride. The Super Chief was kept in top shape right up to Amtrak and so was the El Cap. Whenever the AT&SF ran passsenger trains it ran them properly, even branch line locals were clean and had courteous crew people. It was one sharp operation in every respect, about as perfectly run a railroad as ever existed. And it certainly wasn't behind in innovating with truck-trailer on flatcar and containers and mechanical refrigerator cars and more.

It air-conditioned coaches on long-distance trains long before most other railroads, certainly long before the PRR and NYC. Fred Harvery service in the dining cars. Very early CTC.

When I was a kid in a New York grade school before WWII, we got our education about railroads from material suplied by the AT&SF, free to any school that wanted it. My mouth watered at pictures of a clean Pacific next to an E-3 A&B lashup.

Admittedly its 4-8-4's weren't as pretty as the Daylights or the N&W J's, but they were still good looking engines, and very good perfomers. Its Hudsons had to take a place behind the Lackawanna's and the NKP's on looks, but they were as good as the much praised J's of the NYC, in my opinion, and again very good performers, as fast as any steam locomotive in the USA.

Only one thing bothered me. The side-fishbelly underframes on some of the air-conditioned long distance remodeled coaches. Were these originally steel-framed wood cars that got replacement steel or steel covering the wood siding? (Mind you, I probably haven't seen one of these cars for about 50 years, so I am speaking from a very faded memory on this question.)
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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:36 AM
Don't nock the AT&SF just because of the atitude of some of its fans. Of course I miss the Santa Fe! The Super Chief was arguably the USA's very best streamliner! Even if the CZ had better scenery more domes and was thus more fun to ride. The Super Chief was kept in top shape right up to Amtrak and so was the El Cap. Whenever the AT&SF ran passsenger trains it ran them properly, even branch line locals were clean and had courteous crew people. It was one sharp operation in every respect, about as perfectly run a railroad as ever existed. And it certainly wasn't behind in innovating with truck-trailer on flatcar and containers and mechanical refrigerator cars and more.

It air-conditioned coaches on long-distance trains long before most other railroads, certainly long before the PRR and NYC. Fred Harvery service in the dining cars. Very early CTC.

When I was a kid in a New York grade school before WWII, we got our education about railroads from material suplied by the AT&SF, free to any school that wanted it. My mouth watered at pictures of a clean Pacific next to an E-3 A&B lashup.

Admittedly its 4-8-4's weren't as pretty as the Daylights or the N&W J's, but they were still good looking engines, and very good perfomers. Its Hudsons had to take a place behind the Lackawanna's and the NKP's on looks, but they were as good as the much praised J's of the NYC, in my opinion, and again very good performers, as fast as any steam locomotive in the USA.

Only one thing bothered me. The side-fishbelly underframes on some of the air-conditioned long distance remodeled coaches. Were these originally steel-framed wood cars that got replacement steel or steel covering the wood siding? (Mind you, I probably haven't seen one of these cars for about 50 years, so I am speaking from a very faded memory on this question.)
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:58 AM
Hi from this side of the pond, I miss the old SF and one of the main reasons I came over to the States was to watch it, but I realise that the railroad was hurting financially and a lot of the major work could never have been done if the SF had never mergered with another RR.
I must admit I would have happy to have seen it merge with Conrail before the split, kept the Red and Silver Warbonnet and been a true continental RR

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Posted by David_Telesha on Thursday, December 29, 2005 9:18 AM
QUOTE: Don't nock the AT&SF just because of the atitude of some of its fans. Of course I miss the Santa Fe!

The Super Chief was arguably the USA's very best streamliner!


You just contradicted yourself.

Point made.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:13 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed

Your welcome

I have ATSF zippo lighters & mugs & if I decide to get rid of them I will happy to ring you up as you sound like you would appreciate them.

[:o)]



Originally posted by UnionPacificRR6737


Ill buy them all for 50$ [:I]
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Posted by spbed on Thursday, December 29, 2005 1:37 PM
Thanks for the offer but they are not sale. I would just send them to him if that is what I decided to do. [:)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:01 PM

I wonder why they've gotten rid of the Conrail, I thought that it was a good railroad, isn't the NS the Eastern version of the BNSF and the CSX the Eastern version of UP?



QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom

I miss the Santa Fe as much as I miss Conrail. [:(]

and I miss Conrail a lot
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Posted by jkubajakiii on Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:05 PM
I know I do. The Red Warbonnet paint job is the most beautiful I have ever scene. To bad the BNSF has no intentions to continue using it.
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Posted by traintownofcowee on Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:20 PM
Yes, just as much as I miss the Southern Pacific.
Hey I'm 13, and I think both railroads were great.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 2, 2006 2:30 AM
Another paint scheme I really liked is the Burlington Northern, I loved their logo and the color, when they put on the BNSF patches on the BN engines it didn't look right, at least that with some of the ATSF engines they keep the Santa Fe logo but put the BNSF patchings below the numbers.


QUOTE: Originally posted by jkubajakiii

I know I do. The Red Warbonnet paint job is the most beautiful I have ever scene. To bad the BNSF has no intentions to continue using it.
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, January 2, 2006 7:38 PM
Can anybody tell me about where SF used CF-7's? Where they used out on the road?

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Posted by narig01 on Monday, January 2, 2006 9:55 PM
Yes.
I' ve a lot of good memories of the former Santa Fe line thru Berkeley,Ca.(The Oakland Branch?). In the 70's it was generally on borrowed time. The Locomotive Engineer was a man by the name of Art Pipes.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 2, 2006 10:00 PM
No I miss Southern pacific more
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 2, 2006 10:00 PM
I was surprised that the Santa Fe went by Berkeley, California cause I thought that Southern Pacific was the only railroad company that went there.





I' ve a lot of good memories of the former Santa Fe line thru Berkeley,Ca.(The Oakland Branch?). In the 70's it was generally on borrowed time. The Locomotive Engineer was a man by the name of Art Pipes.
Ian G.Narita

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