QUOTE: Originally posted by mhurley87f QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by mhurley87f QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt British railroads were "nationalized" in 1940 Nationalisation, as in becoming owned by the State, occurred on 1st. January, 1948, so the date here, presumably, is when the then publicly owned Railways were put under State control for the duration of WW2. I must admit, I'd have thought it would have happened rather earlier, even as soon as September / Octpber, 1939. Martin That is what I would have thought too, about Sept. 1939. Perhaps, like America did in WW I, the railroads tried to keep up, and the government stepped in when it felt the system wasn't working well enough? MS Please don't think there were any suggestions that the Railway Companies didn't, or wouldn't, co-operate with the Govt or the War Office, rather everyone understood and appreciated the very real savings would flow from working together, eg pooling the wagon fleet (much of which was owned by concerns other than the Railway Companies - Colliery Cos., Coal Merchants, Steel Cos. etc., directing better quality loco coal to Depots / duties that demanded the best, rationing new rails (whenever available) to the most critical projects (heavily bombed areas) and so on. The ability to willingly co-operate and co-ordinate activities certainly paid huge dividend in the way the railways were able to cope with dispersing evacuees following Dunkirk, later on moving recently landed GIs to holding areas, moving war materiel to and from Strategic Stores, and just generally getting on with the job in the most extenuating of circumstances. Regards, Martin
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by mhurley87f QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt British railroads were "nationalized" in 1940 Nationalisation, as in becoming owned by the State, occurred on 1st. January, 1948, so the date here, presumably, is when the then publicly owned Railways were put under State control for the duration of WW2. I must admit, I'd have thought it would have happened rather earlier, even as soon as September / Octpber, 1939. Martin That is what I would have thought too, about Sept. 1939. Perhaps, like America did in WW I, the railroads tried to keep up, and the government stepped in when it felt the system wasn't working well enough? MS Please don't think there were any suggestions that the Railway Companies didn't, or wouldn't, co-operate with the Govt or the War Office, rather everyone understood and appreciated the very real savings would flow from working together, eg pooling the wagon fleet (much of which was owned by concerns other than the Railway Companies - Colliery Cos., Coal Merchants, Steel Cos. etc., directing better quality loco coal to Depots / duties that demanded the best, rationing new rails (whenever available) to the most critical projects (heavily bombed areas) and so on. The ability to willingly co-operate and co-ordinate activities certainly paid huge dividend in the way the railways were able to cope with dispersing evacuees following Dunkirk, later on moving recently landed GIs to holding areas, moving war materiel to and from Strategic Stores, and just generally getting on with the job in the most extenuating of circumstances. Regards, Martin
QUOTE: Originally posted by mhurley87f QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt British railroads were "nationalized" in 1940 Nationalisation, as in becoming owned by the State, occurred on 1st. January, 1948, so the date here, presumably, is when the then publicly owned Railways were put under State control for the duration of WW2. I must admit, I'd have thought it would have happened rather earlier, even as soon as September / Octpber, 1939. Martin
QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt British railroads were "nationalized" in 1940
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by mhurley87f QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt British railroads were "nationalized" in 1940 Nationalisation, as in becoming owned by the State, occurred on 1st. January, 1948, so the date here, presumably, is when the then publicly owned Railways were put under State control for the duration of WW2. I must admit, I'd have thought it would have happened rather earlier, even as soon as September / Octpber, 1939. Martin That is what I would have thought too, about Sept. 1939. Perhaps, like America did in WW I, the railroads tried to keep up, and the government stepped in when it felt the system wasn't working well enough? MS Please don't think there were any suggestions that the Railway Companies didn't, or wouldn't, co-operate with the Govt or the War Office, rather everyone understood and appreciated the very real savings would flow from working together, eg pooling the wagon fleet (much of which was owned by concerns other than the Railway Companies - Colliery Cos., Coal Merchants, Steel Cos. etc., directing better quality loco coal to Depots / duties that demanded the best, rationing new rails (whenever available) to the most critical projects (heavily bombed areas) and so on. The ability to willingly co-operate and co-ordinate activities certainly paid huge dividend in the way the railways were able to cope with dispersing evacuees following Dunkirk, later on moving recently landed GIs to holding areas, moving war materiel to and from Strategic Stores, and just generally getting on with the job in the most extenuating of circumstances. Regards, Martin .
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding Today, Feb. 7th, in railroad history..... My computer was having a cow this morning, and wouldn't let me online[:(!] 1915: First wireless message sent from a moving train to a station. .....---.--..-.--...--....---< roughly translated: "Can you hear me now?" locomutt: British Railroads were nationalized in 1940? February 6th, or 7th? Are you meaning nationalized, as in, being taken over by the government for the duration of the war, or taken over for good? I thought the British government took over the railways for good(so to speak) around 1948?
Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!!
QUOTE: Originally posted by dmoore74 QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding 1815: First American railroad charter obtained by inventor John Stevens, to build a railroad from Trenton to New Brunswick, N.J. The railroad was never built. Perhaps, he was waiting for someone to invent the locomotive first?[;)] . Could have used the four legged type.[;)] What were they? oh, yea 2-0-2's.[:D] Wouldn't they be 0-4-0's? No pilot and no trailing truck.
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding 1815: First American railroad charter obtained by inventor John Stevens, to build a railroad from Trenton to New Brunswick, N.J. The railroad was never built. Perhaps, he was waiting for someone to invent the locomotive first?[;)] . Could have used the four legged type.[;)] What were they? oh, yea 2-0-2's.[:D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding 1815: First American railroad charter obtained by inventor John Stevens, to build a railroad from Trenton to New Brunswick, N.J. The railroad was never built. Perhaps, he was waiting for someone to invent the locomotive first?[;)] .
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas It was mentioned that the Sunset was completed Feb 5,1883. Was that the second transcon or did the NP get that designation?
QUOTE: Originally posted by GN-Rick Murphy, the picture I use is a scan of a Leanin' Tree Christmas card that I believe is a new issue this past Holiday season. It depicts GN class R-1 2-8-8-2 2043 eastbound on the Stevens Pass line just east of Index, Washington. In fact, in addition to sending cards to friends and relatives, I bought the box of cards because I couldn't resist the picture.[:D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding Today, Feb. 5th, in railroad history........ 1836: 4-4-0 "American" type locomotive patented by Henry R. Campbell Anybody else?
QUOTE: Originally posted by GN-Rick 1970. GN issues its final public timetable.
QUOTE: Originally posted by dmoore74 QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by dmoore74 QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding Today, Feb. 3rd, in railroad history.... 1973: Providence & Worchester resumes indepedant operation. The source doesn't say on whom it was dependant. Was P&W run by one of the Canadian roads? Anybody else? No "h", it's Worcester. The Providence & Worcester had been leased by the New Haven and the lease was assumed by Penn Central. When the bankrupt Penn Central defaulted on lease payments the major stockholders made plans for independent operation. It took a couple of years and some legal battling but the P & W was finally set free. In a deal like that, would a railroad like P&W just end up getting "stuck" for the defaulted lease payments, or did Conrail go back and have to bring the payments up to current? To the best of my knowledge the P&W received its independence in lieu of any cash payment. The Bankruptcy Court would determine what amount if any the Penn Central would be obligated to pay. Conrail didn't come in to being until 1976 and would not be liable for PC's debts.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by dmoore74 QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding Today, Feb. 3rd, in railroad history.... 1973: Providence & Worchester resumes indepedant operation. The source doesn't say on whom it was dependant. Was P&W run by one of the Canadian roads? Anybody else? No "h", it's Worcester. The Providence & Worcester had been leased by the New Haven and the lease was assumed by Penn Central. When the bankrupt Penn Central defaulted on lease payments the major stockholders made plans for independent operation. It took a couple of years and some legal battling but the P & W was finally set free. In a deal like that, would a railroad like P&W just end up getting "stuck" for the defaulted lease payments, or did Conrail go back and have to bring the payments up to current?
QUOTE: Originally posted by dmoore74 QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding Today, Feb. 3rd, in railroad history.... 1973: Providence & Worchester resumes indepedant operation. The source doesn't say on whom it was dependant. Was P&W run by one of the Canadian roads? Anybody else? No "h", it's Worcester. The Providence & Worcester had been leased by the New Haven and the lease was assumed by Penn Central. When the bankrupt Penn Central defaulted on lease payments the major stockholders made plans for independent operation. It took a couple of years and some legal battling but the P & W was finally set free.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding Today, Feb. 3rd, in railroad history.... 1973: Providence & Worchester resumes indepedant operation. The source doesn't say on whom it was dependant. Was P&W run by one of the Canadian roads? Anybody else?
QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 A lot of the locomotives, cars and yards would have been done before the big changeover, and the rest afterwards. If you were going from 5'0" to 4'8.5", you would put in more spikes on the inside of one rail beforehand and then all you would do is pull out the old spikes and slide the rail over a bit and spike the outside. I don't think tieplates were used back then. Illinois Central did all 550 miles of their southern end on July 29, 1881.
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