BNSF prostrates itself [bow] before the feet of it's Chinese Overlords.

[photogeek88]

If you think I'm refering to Wal-Mart, you'd be 'quite' right.

[Anonymous]

Mr. Geek.


You go talking about the American dream, what about free trade?

James, Looking up to real heroes.

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by photogeek88

Keep jobs in America! The Chinese aren't going to get any stronger if we don't stop feeding the fire! Outlaw trade with China, and when they put up a fight, nuke 'em!

That should be reasonable in your eyes.

BIG flaw in that theory: China has lots of nukes, too, and I don't think they'd sit back and let us blast away without returning fire.

Sounds like you need to move to the wilds of Idaho and live in a shotgun shack AWAY from the real world.

[TomDiehl]

Ooops, sorry James, I meant the wilds of Montana for Photogeek.

[Anonymous]

Mr. Geek,


All this time I thought we had minimum wage so that companies were forced to pay enough to keep families off of food stamps. If Wal-Mart pay was so terrible you would see workers striking in droves, but you don't. Let us examine some simple facts.

The majority of Wal-Mart’s hourly store associates in the United States work full-time. That is well above the 20 - 40 percent typically found in the retail industry. Their average hourly wage for regular full-time associates in the U.S. is $9.68 an hour, almost double the federal minimum wage. Wal-Mart’s average full-time wage in urban areas is slightly higher than the national average. For example: Chicago, $10.69; Austin, TX, $10.69; Washington D.C./Baltimore, $10.08; Atlanta, $10.80; and in Los Angeles, $9.99.

Did you get all of that, good now lets look at some more facts, the average worker at Star Bucks a well known Liberal company only pays $7.00 an hour. So what proof do you have?

Tom, right the air polution is bad enough down here.

James, bringing facts to a gun fight, and buying ink by the barrel.

[edbenton]

Actually china has a grand total of 12 ICBM's and 16 SLBM the rest are cruise missles and gravity bombs. The Wia is the boomer and my friends in the navy say the shrimp cover their ears when it is out at sea. The ICBM's are titan 2 clones and have to be kept defueled all the time. A titan 2 can only be fueled for 2 days before it has to be serviced its fuels eat thru the tanks. As for Wal-mart paying good they are the ony company that has personal dedicated to helping you get on Medicaid.

[edblysard]

James,
Not an engineer alive would be caught dead wearing that dorky cap...
You’re made in China Wal-Mart shirt doesn’t quite hide you’re baby fat...
And you are standing in the middle of the tracks, with your back to a piece of live equipment, minus blue flag protection, looking like you have a corn cob or a potato in an uncomfortable and personal location.
(Which puts lie to your middle of the road comment earlier, sometimes even wanna be men like you stand in the middle of the road with their thumb up their tailpipe).

All of which means you’re too fooli***o get out of the way of something that is going to run over you, and too young to know to tuck in your shirt so it doesn’t get caught on something.
If the best you can come up with is an AR15 and a pair of old Army ball and cap 36s, then I doubt today’s Marines have much use for you.
Stay home picking taters and listening to Rush on your made in Taiwan headphones, watching old movies on cable TV, it’s safer that way.

You have yet to introduce anything original here, other that spouting off second hand garbage you hear at the dinner table from your disgruntled parents/cousins and the ramblings of a radio host who’s only skill is to talk enough tra***o keep his advertisers happy; after all, their target audience is the lower half of the IQ and income charts...

Ed

[jeaton]

edbenton
I doubt that Lotus would know anything about Medicaid. Those folks out in Idaho do everything by themselves, and they are proud of it.

Quite amazing when someone thinks $9.68 an hour is a good wage. Probably explains why they don't understand about the $7.00 an hour alleged as the average wage paid by Starbucks. Ever hear of tip income?

[TomDiehl]

Is it just me or did we "lose" Futuremodal?

Maybe he couldn't argue with my "liberal" comment.

3 for 3

[greyhounds]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

Is it just me or did we "lose" Futuremodal?

Maybe he couldn't argue with my "liberal" comment.

3 for 3

We just ain't that lucky. He got what he wanted, a good p-ss-n contest.

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by greyhounds

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

Is it just me or did we "lose" Futuremodal?

Maybe he couldn't argue with my "liberal" comment.

3 for 3

We just ain't that lucky. He got what he wanted, a good p-ss-n contest.

He makes up a few "facts" and "statistics" then you call him on it, he calls you an idiot and gives an answer that has nothing to do with the question. You call him on that and he runs and hides.

Talk about him being full of BS

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

James,
Not an engineer alive would be caught dead wearing that dorky cap...

What about all those old photos from the steam days?

QUOTE: You’re made in China Wal-Mart shirt doesn’t quite hide you’re baby fat...
And you are standing in the middle of the tracks, with your back to a piece of live equipment, minus blue flag protection, looking like you have a corn cob or a potato in an uncomfortable and personal location.
(Which puts lie to your middle of the road comment earlier, sometimes even wanna be men like you stand in the middle of the road with their thumb up their tailpipe).

All of which means you’re too fooli***o get out of the way of something that is going to run over you, and too young to know to tuck in your shirt so it doesn’t get caught on something.

[#offtopic][#offtopic][#offtopic][#dots] WHAT IS THIS A FASHION FORUM!
I never really was a fan of that picture, camera adds 20 pounds; I only put it in my profile so people would believe I am who I say I am. However the Challenger had been parked their in Portland over a week with her fire down, 20 other people had been standing in front of it. Now I don't think I was in any danger.[;)] As for personal apperance, that doesn't affect my intellect in the least; would you care to use any facts.

QUOTE:
If the best you can come up with is an AR15 and a pair of old Army ball and cap 36s, then I doubt today’s Marines have much use for you.

As must not know an AR-15 is the same thing as a M-16 used by the military. During the summer I take my AR (one of dad's three and go shooting monthly. This is a NRA match thing, firing plenty of amo at 200 300 and 600 yards. I have also been very proficient with an M-1 Carbine (World War II/Korea rifle). Not to toot my own horn, but I have built from a kit my own muzzleloader, a Saint Louis Hawken 50 cal. Rifle
Here is me shooting it, I would usally shoot off-hand (standing), but this was to sight in.


This is an AR-15
I shoot the standard military version, with peep sight, no scope, quite well.

QUOTE: Stay home picking taters and listening to Rush on your made in Taiwan headphones, watching old movies on cable TV, it’s safer that way.

Just what kind of country hick do you take me for anyways? Nampa is a very rapidly growing city, Boise is already bigger than Tacoma, and I don't even know any spud farmers.

QUOTE: You have yet to introduce anything original here, other that spouting off second hand garbage you hear at the dinner table from your disgruntled parents/cousins and the ramblings of a radio host who’s only skill is to talk enough tra***o keep his advertisers happy; after all, their target audience is the lower half of the IQ and income charts...

Ed

Nice to know you have my house bugged. How about you get some facts, I have never seen you like this, and I have always thought you were very smart.[xx(][D)] In fact I am stunned by your insults here.[:O]


Rember I am not the topic here, let's get back on track.

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton

Lotus098

You really ought to stop putting on headphones and listening to tapes of Rush Limbaugh while you sleep. It will cause your brain to atrophy... from left to right.

So that's why it's called the fastest three hours in media. [:D][zzz] At least I hear both sides of the story.[;)]

Yes James, but you only listen to one side. It's a condition called selective hearing.

When you take your brain out of the wash, make sure you get the RIGHT one.[:0][banghead][;)]

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton

Actually china has a grand total of 12 ICBM's and 16 SLBM the rest are cruise missles and gravity bombs. The Wia is the boomer and my friends in the navy say the shrimp cover their ears when it is out at sea. The ICBM's are titan 2 clones and have to be kept defueled all the time. A titan 2 can only be fueled for 2 days before it has to be serviced its fuels eat thru the tanks. As for Wal-mart paying good they are the ony company that has personal dedicated to helping you get on Medicaid.

Cool...my friends in the Navy would be interested to know that......Underestimating the capabilities of one's potential adversary based on heresay is most unwise....

1 nuke, by the way, is too many.

[dharmon]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

Tom,

So other than visit China we have "done" nothing. Maybe if we could get the governement out of the way and let the free market work things would work.


Ah, so your one of those moderates, a middle of the roader. Well you know the old saying the only thing you find in the middle of the roads are white lines, and road kill.

No, a Moderate never takes sides. I thought my last 100 or so comments would have proven that point. Of course there are times I enjoy playing "Devil's Advocate."

When a head of state visits another country, it's not like you or me going on a sightseeing vacation. There is, at the very least, diplomatic reasons behind the visit.

A moderate can take sides, it's just that it seeks to be the side of reason. I am generally conservative, but moderately so...what they used to call a Dixiecrat, conservative democrats, which seem to have been turned into moderate Republicans over the past twenty years or so...

...the far right and far left seem to be getting closer together on the other side of the circle though..[:D]

Dan

[edblysard]

Actually James,
The AR15 is not the same as a M16...I know, I own one of the original AR15s, with the stubby composite front stock, and one of the later ones with the full stock.
Also have a M16, and 1861 Springfield 45.70 trapdoor Carbine, several Model 1911 Colt Commanders, and number of original black powder weapons...well, enough guns to fill two gun safes and a chest.

But I did get want I needed from your response...so thank you for being so prompt.

Ed

[Junctionfan]

To Lotus:

You have as much insight in the Global World as George W Bush and Julius Caesar combined. Your T.Roosevelt tactics worked in a time before nuclear weapons and just a big piece of artillary or an ironclad was the worst of the weapons. You are a threat to the safety of mankind if that is your honest to god opinion on things-I hope you are never in a position of power then.

To edbenton:

How do you know they just have that? Does the U.S make their exact ordinance known to the world?

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

Tom,

So other than visit China we have "done" nothing. Maybe if we could get the governement out of the way and let the free market work things would work.


Ah, so your one of those moderates, a middle of the roader. Well you know the old saying the only thing you find in the middle of the roads are white lines, and road kill.

No, a Moderate never takes sides. I thought my last 100 or so comments would have proven that point. Of course there are times I enjoy playing "Devil's Advocate."

When a head of state visits another country, it's not like you or me going on a sightseeing vacation. There is, at the very least, diplomatic reasons behind the visit.

A moderate can take sides, it's just that it seeks to be the side of reason. I am generally conservative, but moderately so...what they used to call a Dixiecrat, conservative democrats, which seem to have been turned into moderate Republicans over the past twenty years or so...

...the far right and far left seem to be getting closer together on the other side of the circle though..[:D]

Dan

The point is, the labels seem to insinuate that there are absolutes in the labels. There aren't. Heck, even Futuremodal is making Liberal comments. Go figure.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Actually James,
The AR15 is not the same as a M16...I know, I own one of the original AR15s, with the stubby composite front stock, and one of the later ones with the full stock.
Also have a M16, and 1861 Springfield 45.70 trapdoor Carbine, several Model 1911 Colt Commanders, and number of original black powder weapons...well, enough guns to fill two gun safes and a chest.

But I did get want I needed from your response...so thank you for being so prompt.

Ed

Man, I wish I had those. What's the difference between an AR, and an M-16, is it just that the M-16 can fire three rounds with one pull of the trigger? Just what did you want from my response?

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Actually James,
The AR15 is not the same as a M16...I know, I own one of the original AR15s, with the stubby composite front stock, and one of the later ones with the full stock.
Also have a M16, and 1861 Springfield 45.70 trapdoor Carbine, several Model 1911 Colt Commanders, and number of original black powder weapons...well, enough guns to fill two gun safes and a chest.

But I did get want I needed from your response...so thank you for being so prompt.

Ed

Man, I wish I had those. What's the difference between an AR, and an M-16, is it just that the M-16 can fire three rounds with one pull of the trigger? Just what did you want from my response?

James, that's the M16A1 that shoots in 3 shot bursts, a modification from around the end of the Vietnam war. The Original M-16 would empty the clip in full automatic, which only took a few seconds. The problem is the rifle had a tendency to "climb" (barrel end would come up due to the kick of firing) and made it hard for the user to even "spray" an area. When being fired on, people have a tendency to "hit the dirt" so they go down and your bullets are going up. Very inefficient use of ammo.

Personally, I think they should teach marksmanship more in the military to the regular grunts.

[Junctionfan]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Actually James,
The AR15 is not the same as a M16...I know, I own one of the original AR15s, with the stubby composite front stock, and one of the later ones with the full stock.
Also have a M16, and 1861 Springfield 45.70 trapdoor Carbine, several Model 1911 Colt Commanders, and number of original black powder weapons...well, enough guns to fill two gun safes and a chest.

But I did get want I needed from your response...so thank you for being so prompt.

Ed

Man, I wish I had those. What's the difference between an AR, and an M-16, is it just that the M-16 can fire three rounds with one pull of the trigger? Just what did you want from my response?

James, that's the M16A1 that shoots in 3 shot bursts, a modification from around the end of the Vietnam war. The Original M-16 would empty the clip in full automatic, which only took a few seconds. The problem is the rifle had a tendency to "climb" (barrel end would come up due to the kick of firing) and made it hard for the user to even "spray" an area. When being fired on, people have a tendency to "hit the dirt" so they go down and your bullets are going up. Very inefficient use of ammo.

Personally, I think they should teach marksmanship more in the military to the regular grunts.

My opinion too. Think how much money would be saved on ammo.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton

Lotus098

You really ought to stop putting on headphones and listening to tapes of Rush Limbaugh while you sleep. It will cause your brain to atrophy... from left to right.

So that's why it's called the fastest three hours in media. [:D][zzz] At least I hear both sides of the story.[;)]

Yes James, but you only listen to one side. It's a condition called selective hearing.

When you take your brain out of the wash, make sure you get the RIGHT one.[:0][banghead][;)]

I can only take so much of this. Why am I the brainwashed one; you fellers are just spouting out of your play-book. Is it merely the fact most teenagers belive the news, their school teachers; and later become conservative? Are you people any less like talking to trees? We know you are not "righ", yet you've "left" us to be the one's who are so unusuall; forgeting the country agrees with us. Why I can do plenty of free thought, my dad and I have agured on and on about if the gold standard was better.

JunctionFan,

How so, I didn't say I wanted to nuke the Chinese like Mr. Geek; what did I say? Isn't it funny America didn't get into any wars with him president, he was feared by our enemies.



James, using Teddy Roosevelt diplomacy. TR a real cowboy.

[vsmith]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

Hey Benham, Rush is a lying moron. If you don't want shots to be taken at you, don't shoot at others ie Liberals. You may go back to your Conservative hole.....I'm done.

You lefty types can't aim and can only shoot blanks, so there's no need to fear such potshots.

BTW, when has Rush Limbaugh ever lied? You may not like his POV, and if you want to call him a moron that is your subjective opinion, but to call someone a liar you need objective proof, otherwise you turn out to be the moron.

Wasnt there something about not being addicted to popping painkillers until he was busted? or is that just a river in Egypt.

Listening to Rush Limburger is like computer programming: Garbage In-Garbage Out

[:D]

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Actually James,
The AR15 is not the same as a M16...I know, I own one of the original AR15s, with the stubby composite front stock, and one of the later ones with the full stock.
Also have a M16, and 1861 Springfield 45.70 trapdoor Carbine, several Model 1911 Colt Commanders, and number of original black powder weapons...well, enough guns to fill two gun safes and a chest.

But I did get want I needed from your response...so thank you for being so prompt.

Ed

Man, I wish I had those. What's the difference between an AR, and an M-16, is it just that the M-16 can fire three rounds with one pull of the trigger?

OMG James, a legitimate question. Too bad it isn't about trains.

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton

Lotus098

You really ought to stop putting on headphones and listening to tapes of Rush Limbaugh while you sleep. It will cause your brain to atrophy... from left to right.

So that's why it's called the fastest three hours in media. [:D][zzz] At least I hear both sides of the story.[;)]

Yes James, but you only listen to one side. It's a condition called selective hearing.

When you take your brain out of the wash, make sure you get the RIGHT one.[:0][banghead][;)]

I can only take so much of this. Why am I the brainwashed one; you fellers are just spouting out of your play-book. Is it merely the fact most teenagers belive the news, their school teachers; and later become conservative? Are you people any less like talking to trees? We know you are not "righ", yet you've "left" us to be the one's who are so unusuall; forgeting the country agrees with us. Why I can do plenty of free thought, my dad and I have agured on and on about if the gold standard was better.

James, the reason I, and many of the others here pick on you (and Dave), is because you continually push a viewpoint that is so far away from the center. It is so unrealistic, as to be laughable.

My recommendation is to leave politics, and stick to trains, but you keep coming back for more politics. If it wasn't for Dave, you would be the sound of one hand clapping. Take a hint, and give it a rest. (before Bergie has to do it for you)

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Wasnt there something about not being addicted to popping painkillers until he was busted?

He never said he didn't take them, he admitted it.

Big Blowhard 4005,

Far from normal, you need two things, take a trip to Idaho to start with. You also need to stop denying the majority of the population agrees with us. Bush poll numbers are still higher than the Democrats in congress. Why look at what congress voted on yesterday.[(-D] I have had Ed, Old Timer, Murphy Siding, antigaites, and other agree with me before.

I will take a hint and get back to trains, now though.


James, unilateral as America in this war. And proud of it.

[Junctionfan]

Well James, if the U.S were to engage a conventional war with China, you would been in MAJOR trouble. They can conscript, train and maybe even arm an army larger than than the total population of the U.S. So what does the U.S have to fall back on-nuclear weapons perhaps-however; Russia is in close proximity to China. If Russia gets effected by the nuclear blast, China and Russia will now be allied against the U.S. Russia still has a tremendous amount of nuclear weapons. Plus, you end up seeing Russia and a number of anti-American nations suppling weapons and supplies to China just because.

You need to look at the big picture here. The art of war has gone-its now a matter of survival and destruction.

[selector]

QUOTE: Originally posted by photogeek88

Keep jobs in America! The Chinese aren't going to get any stronger if we don't stop feeding the fire! Outlaw trade with China, and when they put up a fight, nuke 'em!

That should be reasonable in your eyes.

Now, let's be honest and fair, here. You don't want to trade with China, and you don't want fair trade with Canada (if you follow the news), so who will buy goods manufactured in the USA with inflated union wages behind them. Ghana? Maybe Burundi? How about Singapore....oh wait, they do pretty well building and selling their own goods.

Hmmmmm..... is puzzlement.

[Anonymous]

Again, vsmith, when has Rush ever lied? The best you can up with is his unfortunate addiction to pain killers which resulted from his loss of hearing? And that's your example of a Rush "lie"?

Actually, that was what I expeced from you - ad hominen attacks. You cannot compete on substance, so you resort to slimeballing. Thanks for confirming everything we know about the folks on your extreme side of the political aisle.

Big Boy, I wasn't aware you consider your pathetic responses as "picking" on me. That's hilarious. It's more like me having to swat at a couple of worthless gnats. You have yet to provide even one retort worthy of the tiniest shred of credibility.

The mice that roared, that's vsmith and Big Boy.

C'mon, try to come up with one legitimate POV, can't you?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by greyhounds

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

Is it just me or did we "lose" Futuremodal?

Maybe he couldn't argue with my "liberal" comment.

3 for 3

We just ain't that lucky. He got what he wanted, a good p-ss-n contest.

He makes up a few "facts" and "statistics" then you call him on it, he calls you an idiot and gives an answer that has nothing to do with the question. You call him on that and he runs and hides.

Talk about him being full of BS

Tom,

This is why you are an extreme leftist, not a *moderate*. You have been provided plenty of references for my statements, yet somehow you completely ignore them and make the libelous contention that I make them up. There is no hope for you, you are a lost soul. I notice you've never provided a single reference for your absurd statements. You are the epitome of BS.

The only reason this post and others degrade into a p i s s i n g contest is that folks like you and the pup make it so. I provide a topic of discussion, and instead of providing reasoned sound rebuttals you right away slip into true leftist mode aka name calling, insults, etc.

Once again, here is the gist of the topic: BNSF is spending the revenues it receives from it's captive US customers (whose rates are well above the STB's RVC ratios), and is spending that revenue increasing capacity for it's foreign customers (whose rail rates are well below the RVC standard). This is well documented. Only a complete moron would allege that such a statement is made up. You could very well argue that it is taking things out of context, or that there might be an exaggeration here or there, but you absolutely cannot refute the basic truth of the statement.

Neither you, the pup, or anyone else slightly to the right of vsmith and Big Boy has offered a single rebuttal of this argument. Not one.

I've asked it before, and I'll ask it again. Is there any sound reason for BNSF to subsidize the importation of Asian goods on the backs of US producers, given that the US producers provide the bulk of the income for BNSF, while the importers sap revenue from the railroad?

I'm waiting patiently for someone from the left to be a worthy debate foe. Apparently, it's gonna be a long, long wait.