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Rail Car Graffitists
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 14, 2005 11:06 AM
I was wondering if anyone here knew about some of the graffiti on rail cars. Guys I see the most are The Solo Artist, Water Bed Lou, John Easley & The Rambler from ports in the southern USA. Anyone know who these fellows are though it might pretty hard to do so.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 14, 2005 12:08 PM
I photograph railroad graffiti and know many others who do the same. I typically take pitures of the chalk kind, like from Bozo Texino also known as Buzz Blur (whom you can purchase his grafitti now on tshirts, camisoles, coffee cups, kids wear etc. at: http://www.cafepress.com/bozotexino)

Also, love to see Smokin Joes. Most of these railroad grafitti artists of the chalk type have worked for the railroads for many years.

There are many websites that display their grafitti and others under the search words: grafitti, monikers, taggers, etc.

Buzz Blur has even had his artwork displayed in art studios in New York and getting a pretty penny.

Try this website: http://www.sisterbetty.org/graffiti/
This site has grafitti categorized by type.

Even the model railroad producers are manufacturing railcars with grafitti on them. Added realism to your model railroad!

It appears this is one of the many facets of this great interest we call ralifanning.





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Posted by UPTRAIN on Monday, November 14, 2005 12:31 PM
I saw a UP SD70M yesterday with an American flag, had graffiti all over it, makes me real proud to have the screen name that I do...

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Posted by vsmith on Monday, November 14, 2005 12:56 PM
Methinks this topic will go downhill faster than a Cadillac on skis....grafitti's kinda a touchy subject here. Better get the popcorn machine from the diner...

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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, November 14, 2005 1:10 PM
Well this can be a touchy subject for some of us. But I for one like to put a little graffitti on my HO cars. It adds detail and realism.
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Posted by vsmith on Monday, November 14, 2005 1:25 PM
Yeah Chad grafiti is a definite reality these days, of course on some cars I've seen recently all that paint might be the only thing holding them together. I've seen some pretty amazing paint jobs on models in HO and G, so realistic its scary. But model trains is one thing, RR photograghers is another, seen some icky squabbles of late.

Most here know my stance on the subject, get caught, give'em a small brillo pad and a hot day to remove it, or simply go to jail.

Get runover by a train while tagging a car or structure or fall off an overpass painting your chickenscratches? Well thats just God's way of saying "Player 1 Game Over" How does Forrest Gump say it... "Stupid is as stupid does"?"

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, November 14, 2005 1:34 PM
I think most of the folks here will turn a blind eye to the old style chalk graffiti, a la Bozo Texino and Kilroy. While one can argue (correctly) that it still damages the finish, and the tagger is trespassing, et al, it's still not as offensive as the work of today's mural "artists. " I mentioned in another thread an auto carrier I saw with the whole side painted. Wonder how he managed to afford all that paint?

It was mentioned that some of these people have had work shown in noted galleries. If they are that good, let 'em do "real" art and leave other people's property alone.

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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, November 14, 2005 1:35 PM
Vic, What really trips me out is these huge paintings (loosely named) that take up entire autorack sides. These guys must carry a ladder and LOTS of paint with them. It makes me wonder how they get so much paint and a ladder to the car without being noticed by the same people that seem to spot every railfan photographer (and drop dime on them).
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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, November 14, 2005 1:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

I think most of the folks here will turn a blind eye to the old style chalk graffiti, a la Bozo Texino and Kilroy. While one can argue (correctly) that it still damages the finish, and the tagger is trespassing, et al, it's still not as offensive as the work of today's mural "artists. " I mentioned in another thread an auto carrier I saw with the whole side painted. Wonder how he managed to afford all that paint?

It was mentioned that some of these people have had work shown in noted galleries. If they are that good, let 'em do "real" art and leave other people's property alone.


Mabee a few RR cops should attend these "art" showings and press charges. If you are stupid enough to graffitti up a car and then show your work at a public venue you ought to be locked up for a bit.
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Posted by chad thomas on Monday, November 14, 2005 1:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

Originally posted by tree68

I think most of the folks here will turn a blind eye to the old style chalk graffiti, a la Bozo Texino and Kilroy. While one can argue (correctly) that it still damages the finish, and the tagger is trespassing, et al, it's still not as offensive as the work of today's mural "artists. " I mentioned in another thread an auto carrier I saw with the whole side painted. Wonder how he managed to afford all that paint?

It was mentioned that some of these people have had work shown in noted galleries. If they are that good, let 'em do "real" art and leave other people's property alone.


Mabee a few RR cops should attend these "art" showings and press charges. If you are stupid enough to graffitti up a car and then show your work at a public venue you ought to be locked up for a bit. Or better yet sentanced to Community service removing graffitti.
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Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Monday, November 14, 2005 1:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

Vic, What really trips me out is these huge paintings (loosely named) that take up entire autorack sides. These guys must carry a ladder and LOTS of paint with them. It makes me wonder how they get so much paint and a ladder to the car without being noticed by the same people that seem to spot every railfan photographer (and drop dime on them).


Chad, you should see some of the places they park auto racks. Very secluded.

As for Buzz Blurr, I managed to catch one of his cars without even noticing when I took the shot. Reporting marks: CNW 612743. I used software to isolate the image and turn it into a line drawing for use on my models.

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Posted by waltersrails on Monday, November 14, 2005 3:47 PM
I don't like railroad graffti though it makes good pics.
I like NS but CSX has the B&O.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 14, 2005 4:30 PM
I can't remember the last time I DIDN'T see a boxcar that was both a) free of graffiti and b) from a fallen flag, merely patched over.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 14, 2005 5:33 PM
My wife and I drove from Salt Lake City back to Reno last week. She asked me what the funny looking cars were, ie. the auto carriers. I told her that when I was a kid the cars didn't need protective sides on them because the last thing we would think of doing would be to throw a rock at new cars.

She didn't believe that kids would damage new cars until I reminded her what the Black Muslims we doing in France. 7000 cars burned and the number is still rising.



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Posted by mackb4 on Monday, November 14, 2005 6:16 PM
Working on the RR I see alot of graffti.The one that shocked me the most was an auto rack that was covered from a-b end,and top to bottom.That must of took forever.An old timer that's retired now told me years ago a guy in Portsmouth,Ohio had some of the Graffti cut out of a car at Freemans scrap in NewBoston Ohio.He somehow found out who the artist was and got it autographed.It was one of the more popular ones found on the RR's back in the 60's-70's.Here are some pictures I took while waiting for a passing train to clear me before I could get a signal to leave on in Williamson,WVa on a coal train a few months ago.

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Posted by joegreen on Monday, November 14, 2005 6:21 PM
I love graffiti!, I take photos of cars with graffiti on them all the time.I specialy like the cars with a lot of graffiti on it.
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Posted by Trailryder on Monday, November 14, 2005 8:11 PM
I don't normaly photograph graffiti but this one caught my eye back in July 2005,

I believe this is the work of Smokin Joe.

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Posted by AlcoRS11Nut on Monday, November 14, 2005 8:37 PM
if its "art" and depicts a seen.....then I am all for it, I do put some on my RR cars to....reality is reality....no matter how ugly it is....
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 14, 2005 8:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

I think most of the folks here will turn a blind eye to the old style chalk graffiti, a la Bozo Texino and Kilroy. While one can argue (correctly) that it still damages the finish, and the tagger is trespassing, et al, it's still not as offensive as the work of today's mural "artists. " I mentioned in another thread an auto carrier I saw with the whole side painted. Wonder how he managed to afford all that paint?

It was mentioned that some of these people have had work shown in noted galleries. If they are that good, let 'em do "real" art and leave other people's property alone.


Mabee a few RR cops should attend these "art" showings and press charges. If you are stupid enough to graffitti up a car and then show your work at a public venue you ought to be locked up for a bit.



That is just as naive as it is stupid, which I guess can be the same thing. You cant just pin a simliar looking piece of art from a car/canvas. This isnt csi or a serial killer, its an artist. They dont leave dna or anyting behind. There is no hard evidence to snatch them up.

I flick railroad graffiti a whole lot, I like how it looks, but thats an opinion, I guess I'm more open minded than most people.




Those insuniuating that these people all steal their paint, thats just ignorant, its their lifestyles, much in the same fashion as railfanning is yours. Wouldnt you find it rather ingorant that if people said something like "oh, i wonder how they afford all that camera equipment, stolen...."

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"will you marry me" the bottom says"








This guy passed away last month, and all his friends did his name, but then again, all graffiti artists are gangsters and care bout nothing, right?


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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:03 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by OneSecondPle

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

I think most of the folks here will turn a blind eye to the old style chalk graffiti, a la Bozo Texino and Kilroy. While one can argue (correctly) that it still damages the finish, and the tagger is trespassing, et al, it's still not as offensive as the work of today's mural "artists. " I mentioned in another thread an auto carrier I saw with the whole side painted. Wonder how he managed to afford all that paint?

It was mentioned that some of these people have had work shown in noted galleries. If they are that good, let 'em do "real" art and leave other people's property alone.


Mabee a few RR cops should attend these "art" showings and press charges. If you are stupid enough to graffitti up a car and then show your work at a public venue you ought to be locked up for a bit.



[b]That is just as naive as it is stupid, which I guess can be the same thing. You cant just pin a simliar looking piece of art from a car/canvas. This isnt csi or a serial killer, its an artist. They dont leave dna or anyting behind. There is no hard evidence to snatch them up.



[:0]Hey there bud, Who you calling stupid? You ever hear of sarcasum? No need to be insulting.[:(!]

Some might call it art, that's opinion. Fact is it's vandalizing private property what ever way you slice it. No, it's not worth the effort to prosecute but that does not mean it's right.
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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 2:37 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by OneSecondPle
That is just as naive as it is stupid, which I guess can be the same thing. You cant just pin a simliar looking piece of art from a car/canvas. This isnt csi or a serial killer, its an artist. They dont leave dna or anyting behind. There is no hard evidence to snatch them up.

I'll be over to your house tonight. Will a case of spray paint pretty well cover the front?

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Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

QUOTE: Originally posted by OneSecondPle
That is just as naive as it is stupid, which I guess can be the same thing. You cant just pin a simliar looking piece of art from a car/canvas. This isnt csi or a serial killer, its an artist. They dont leave dna or anyting behind. There is no hard evidence to snatch them up.

I'll be over to your house tonight. Will a case of spray paint pretty well cover the front?




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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:39 PM
Methinks this topic will go downhill faster than a Cadillac on skis...

Yep, it has.




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Posted by samfp1943 on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:42 PM
MY question would be: If they have no respect for the property of another [Railroads, Buildings, Bridges].. Can it be too far removed that they will make the jump and start "Tagging" prvate home in suburbia? Wouldn't that be creative?

 

 


 

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Posted by Big_Boy_4005 on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

Methinks this topic will go downhill faster than a Cadillac on skis...

Yep, it has.




James, that's not downhill. Just a small dip in the road.

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Posted by arbfbe on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 5:57 PM
Well, yes, a lot of the paint is stolen. If the paint is not stolen then the canvas certainly is. Graffiti vandals are a scourge upon society. Those that might have talent are wasting it and making other people's lives more difficult and expensive. Offer me one redeeming social value tagging offers civilization? Just come up with one. Please, just one we can agree upon.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:35 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe

Well, yes, a lot of the paint is stolen. If the paint is not stolen then the canvas certainly is. Graffiti vandals are a scourge upon society. Those that might have talent are wasting it and making other people's lives more difficult and expensive. Offer me one redeeming social value tagging offers civilization? Just come up with one. Please, just one we can agree upon.


Paint is not stolen, and I would sincerely like to know the basis you have for this assumption. Go for it, I want to know.

As for the society, does it not offer jobs? I'm not saying its right, You all are right, It isnt their property, not in any sense. But, it does offer jobs for society, just as crime in any sense gives a society jobs, its a well balanced wheel.

These people dont generally paint poeples houses, they do have some respect, but like every hobby, some bad eggs, what can ya do. Ya'll are all stuck on one thing, which I'm not trying to change, just give you a light from the other side.
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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, November 15, 2005 7:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

QUOTE: Originally posted by OneSecondPle
That is just as naive as it is stupid, which I guess can be the same thing. You cant just pin a simliar looking piece of art from a car/canvas. This isnt csi or a serial killer, its an artist. They dont leave dna or anyting behind. There is no hard evidence to snatch them up.

I'll be over to your house tonight. Will a case of spray paint pretty well cover the front?

Be careful Larry, he might live in a box car.[:0][:p][:-,][(-D][(-D][(-D]


I wonder if the Metropolitan Museum of Art has any openings???

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Posted by mackb4 on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:47 AM
Grant the "artist" who are doing this are invading private property to paint.But I agree that ,if the paint isn't stolen,or the graffti isn't nasty,it is art by expression,without permission.What would railroading be without graffti...dull monoindustrial blocks going down the tracks.Maybe if the railroads would encourage some of these guys to paint murals on some say,grain hoppers,to make them more eye catching.it would kill some of the negativity that railroads produce.I've really seen some nice graffti in my 16 years working for the R.R.I think some people are to uptight about this tipe of thing.Heck where I live in along the Ohiio river,cities commission artist to paint murals on the floodwalls.

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Posted by arbfbe on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 1:55 AM
Onesecondpie'

Graffiti creates jobs in society? This alleged job creation makes it "a well balanced Wheel"? Have you been smelling the fumes from the cans again? Business should be happy their property gets vandalized forcing them to hire more people? What planet are you recently from? If the graffiti vandals want to do something for their art, I suggest they go to the local newspapers and buy the end of the rolls of newsprint. Then go rent a nice billboard and when you fini***he latest piece of art, hang it on the billboard for all to see. Perhaps some truely talented individuals will get jobs out of this. That way you can use all the paint you can buy and no one else will have to expend time, effort and money trying to erase your prior efforts. I doubt the unemployment rate in the US will sky rocket account the well balanced wheel is thrown out of synch with your point of view.

Be assured if I see any of your friends tagging or artistically modifying freight cars or sturctures at my place of employment, I will report the activity, photograph the activity and happily testify in court if needed. The last idiots brought up in front of the judge for trespassing on railroad property paid $350 plus court costs as a result. Hopefully vandalls will be assessed even more.

Perhaps a little Islamic justice might be brought to bear. Imagine how hard it would be to operate a can of spray paint if the miscreants' thumbs were publicly removed with a scimitar.

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