Another tragic mistake.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

ok, let's turn the thing around.
Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt,
and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel?

[chad thomas]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

Remember the one about the log in the eye?[B)] Some people are un aware that they live in glass houses.[X-)]

If there is anything to be angry about it's the educational systems failure to produce intelegent people. And parents that don't teach there children common sense can share the blame here too. This woman probably had no clue how dangerous an act she was commiting before the accident. If she had a clue do you really think she would have taken the risk with herself and her children? I think not. If you want something to be angry about, be angry with how many clueless there are out there these days. I guess it's all part of the "dumbing of America", The same program that is slowly but surely stripping us of our rights and pointing us in the direction of revolution. No worries here though, I'll have my rifle in one hand and my BIBLE in the other.[;)]

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

maybe someone already suggested this but i'm too lazy to read thru every post which is usually the same. but a crime should be 'repaid' eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. run the mom's arm over with a train to even the score for effin up her daughter.

the mother obviously must not be all that great if the kids live with their father and he has primary custody (dunno if that's a proper term or not but you get the idea).

What happened to christian values of turning the other cheek?
Well, Jesus must have been a fool then...

Jesus wasn't stupid or lazy enough to lead small children through such a dangerous situation when the safe way of passage wasn't that far away.

Well I didn't have Jesus in mind as an examplary parent, but as an examplary judge

Oh yeah, this is a REAL good example to set for your children. (the "REAL" is in caps to show the sarcasm)

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.

[Anonymous]

The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question:
Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm?

of course not.

maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her,
but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

maybe someone already suggested this but i'm too lazy to read thru every post which is usually the same. but a crime should be 'repaid' eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. run the mom's arm over with a train to even the score for effin up her daughter.

the mother obviously must not be all that great if the kids live with their father and he has primary custody (dunno if that's a proper term or not but you get the idea).

What happened to christian values of turning the other cheek?
Well, Jesus must have been a fool then...

Jesus wasn't stupid or lazy enough to lead small children through such a dangerous situation when the safe way of passage wasn't that far away.

Well I didn't have Jesus in mind as an examplary parent, but as an examplary judge

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

The boyfriend should have been charged too,and both should have been thrown in jail immediately[:(!]!

and how would this help them and the child?

For one thing, it would remove this child and any other childeren she has from such dangerous custody. Almost any foster parents would be smarter than this moron.

Well, why don't we ask the child with whoom would she rather live.
I know I soure wouldn't like someone I don't even know decide where I'm going to live.

Your choice of words "rather live" and "going to live" I find interesting in this case. After the moron mother's actions, it's a miracle that she is still alive. Obviously her own child's welfare is not in her mind.

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

maybe someone already suggested this but i'm too lazy to read thru every post which is usually the same. but a crime should be 'repaid' eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. run the mom's arm over with a train to even the score for effin up her daughter.

the mother obviously must not be all that great if the kids live with their father and he has primary custody (dunno if that's a proper term or not but you get the idea).

What happened to christian values of turning the other cheek?
Well, Jesus must have been a fool then...

Jesus wasn't stupid or lazy enough to lead small children through such a dangerous situation when the safe way of passage wasn't that far away.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

The boyfriend should have been charged too,and both should have been thrown in jail immediately[:(!]!

and how would this help them and the child?

For one thing, it would remove this child and any other childeren she has from such dangerous custody. Almost any foster parents would be smarter than this moron.

Well, why don't we ask the child with whoom would she rather live.
I know I soure wouldn't like someone I don't even know decide where I'm going to live.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

maybe someone already suggested this but i'm too lazy to read thru every post which is usually the same. but a crime should be 'repaid' eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. run the mom's arm over with a train to even the score for effin up her daughter.

the mother obviously must not be all that great if the kids live with their father and he has primary custody (dunno if that's a proper term or not but you get the idea).

What happened to christian values of turning the other cheek?
Well, Jesus must have been a fool then...

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CANADIANPACIFIC2816

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

so much anger in you people

Hey, some of us have a right to be angry. Within the last hour I came close to witnessing another traggedy much like this one. I was out photographing some cars on one of the BNSF's siding a few blocks from my home. About the time I had finished taking pictures and was ready to head for home, a couple engines coupled onto one end of this cut of cars out of my line of sight, and I am talking of at least 20 cars here. I could hear the brake line being charged with air throughout the entire string of cars.

Just as I was about to head for home, I watched two adults come walking off the bike trail and they headed straight for this cut of cars. I instinctively knew what they had in mind and I warned them not to do it. They crawled underneath a covered hopper and were gone. Hardly a minute later that train started moving!! This scared the HELL out of me and I was not prepared for what might have happened! I do not carry a cell phone so I could not have called the police or the railroad authorities to warn them! None of us who are witnesses to things like this need to have our days ruined by people who should know better. I would not sleep very well at all if these two individuals had ended up badly hurt or at worse, killed right in front of me.

CANADIANPACIFIC2816

of course you have the right, nobody is preventing you to have any feelings, from joy to hate, but it ain't actually benefiting either you or the people around you.
Anger is not constructive.

[richardy]

I think the DA would have charged the boyfriend if he could but since the boyfriend was not a legal guardian of the child and the mother is and was present to make a decision not to go under the train, the DA probably has a legal problem charging the boyfriend. The boyfriend may not be legally responsible but he sure is morally responsible for this act. I agree the mother should have been arrested, let her come up with $7,500 if she wants to be with her daughter.

[TomDiehl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

The boyfriend should have been charged too,and both should have been thrown in jail immediately[:(!]!

and how would this help them and the child?

For one thing, it would remove this child and any other childeren she has from such dangerous custody. Almost any foster parents would be smarter than this moron.

[Anonymous]

maybe someone already suggested this but i'm too lazy to read thru every post which is usually the same. but a crime should be 'repaid' eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. run the mom's arm over with a train to even the score for effin up her daughter.

the mother obviously must not be all that great if the kids live with their father and he has primary custody (dunno if that's a proper term or not but you get the idea).

[CANADIANPACIFIC2816]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

so much anger in you people

Hey, some of us have a right to be angry. Within the last hour I came close to witnessing another traggedy much like this one. I was out photographing some cars on one of the BNSF's siding a few blocks from my home. About the time I had finished taking pictures and was ready to head for home, a couple engines coupled onto one end of this cut of cars out of my line of sight, and I am talking of at least 20 cars here. I could hear the brake line being charged with air throughout the entire string of cars.

Just as I was about to head for home, I watched two adults come walking off the bike trail and they headed straight for this cut of cars. I instinctively knew what they had in mind and I warned them not to do it. They crawled underneath a covered hopper and were gone. Hardly a minute later that train started moving!! This scared the HELL out of me and I was not prepared for what might have happened! I do not carry a cell phone so I could not have called the police or the railroad authorities to warn them! None of us who are witnesses to things like this need to have our days ruined by people who should know better. I would not sleep very well at all if these two individuals had ended up badly hurt or at worse, killed right in front of me.

CANADIANPACIFIC2816

[PBenham]

Sad indeed, the woman should be compelled, NO --ordered to pay ALL the expenses of her daughter's injuries, all Hospital Bills, all Prosthetic expenses and all other extraordinary expenses, such as psychologists/psychatrists as long as she lives, in prison (where I'd put her) or where ever she winds up!

[Anonymous]

they give out darwin awards for this sort of stupid behavior

[edblysard]

Yes, I can blame them...it dosnt take any more smarts to know not to crawl under a train than to know not to rollerskate on the freeway...this is beyond stupid.
My 6 year old knows not to go near a train, be it moving or not.
Yes, the childs age does provide her with some excuse, and the fact that Mom told her to do this, but there is no excuse for the parent, and I use that term loosley, to place a child in such a dangerous position.

Now a girl has to spend the rest of her life crippled and maimed, because her mother was lazy....

Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by BaltACD

My sympathies to the girl.....the mother and boyfriend shoud get to place thier necks on the rail under a train and wait.....and wait.....and wait....and wonder when it is going to start moving....AND IT WILL.

Darwin Award candidates, unfortunately endangering the lives of defenseless children, who if they follow the family role models will never become adults.

the child could not have understood the danger and could not calculate or judge the situation, but you are forgetting that many grownups are like that too.
Just because someone is older than 16,18,20, o 30 or whatever doesn't mean he is capable of making intelligent judgements. To use simpler words, many people are plainly stupid. And you can't really blaim someone for being stupid, just like you can't blaim a child for being less aware and intelligent than some (!) grownups

[BaltACD]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

so much anger in you people

Not anger...I just get tired of straightening out a railroad that has been shut down by the authorities for hours account of this kind of mindless idiot. With 20/30 trains getting ready to go on the Hours of Service and not having either the manpower or the taxi power to get recews to the trains and keep the railroad fluid.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by espeefoamer

The boyfriend should have been charged too,and both should have been thrown in jail immediately[:(!]!

and how would this help them and the child?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mehrlich

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

so much anger in you people

Not me.[;)][:D][8D]

Me either.

Getting angy isn't going to fix what happened. Calling people names isn't going to fix what happened. Thinking of appropriate punishment to the (insert name of guilty party here...) isn't going to change what happened.

How about we not bring up crossing accidents any more? The responses are the same over and over again. Or better yet, how about a new forum just for crossing accidents or people going around crossing arms?


mike

Yea, a child lost its arm,
courts, jails, and all that crap won't get her arm back and won't undo the emotional damage to all that were involved.

Justice in an illusion of making things better. In crimes and accidents there is no way of making things better, all you can do is relieve yourself of your anger by punishing someone.

[espeefoamer]

The boyfriend should have been charged too,and both should have been thrown in jail immediately[:(!]!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

so much anger in you people

Not me.[;)][:D][8D]

Me either.

Getting angy isn't going to fix what happened. Calling people names isn't going to fix what happened. Thinking of appropriate punishment to the (insert name of guilty party here...) isn't going to change what happened.

How about we not bring up crossing accidents any more? The responses are the same over and over again. Or better yet, how about a new forum just for crossing accidents or people going around crossing arms?


mike

[espeefoamer]

Just recently a teenager walked in front of an Amtrak train in San Juan Capistrano,even though the gates were down and the crossing bells were operating. His friend tried to grab him but coudn't get him off the tracks.This was his last mistake.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by BaltACD

My sympathies to the girl.....the mother and boyfriend shoud get to place thier necks on the rail under a train and wait.....and wait.....and wait....and wonder when it is going to start moving....AND IT WILL.

Darwin Award candidates, unfortunately endangering the lives of defenseless children, who if they follow the family role models will never become adults.

the child could not have understood the danger and could not calculate or judge the situation, but you are forgetting that many grownups are like that too.
Just because someone is older than 16,18,20, o 30 or whatever doesn't mean he is capable of making intelligent judgements. To use simpler words, many people are plainly stupid. And you can't really blaim someone for being stupid, just like you can't blaim a child for being less aware and intelligent than some (!) grownups

[chad thomas]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

so much anger in you people

Not me.[;)][:D][8D]

[Anonymous]

so much anger in you people

[BaltACD]

My sympathies to the girl.....the mother and boyfriend shoud get to place thier necks on the rail under a train and wait.....and wait.....and wait....and wonder when it is going to start moving....AND IT WILL.

Darwin Award candidates, unfortunately endangering the lives of defenseless children, who if they follow the family role models will never become adults.

[CANADIANPACIFIC2816]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68

But.... It can't happen to ME!

It is indeed EXTREMELY SAD that a lot of people have this kind of attitude. Anyone who would place their own children in danger like this is not fit to be a parent. I hope this DUMB BROAD and her equally DUMB BOYFRIEND get the book thrown at them. The politically correct notion that they should be treated with any leniency is ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!!!!!

Within the last couple hours I had witnessed a young, and obviously STUPID kid climb up over the couplers between a couple covered hoppers on a BNSF siding just a few blocks from where I live. There could very easily have been a couple engines on the other end of the train waiting to pull out of the yard. This NUMBSKULL is ***ED LUCKY that this cut of cars had not started moving. I would have chased him down and chewed his sorry butt out, but that would have involved walking eight or nine cars back in the direction from which I had come to get to the other side of this cut of cars, and I didn't have time for that. I needed to be somewhere else.

CANADADIANPACIFIC2816

[Anonymous]

I was almost witness to the same exact thing with a train I was working on in Indianapolis. I had to set off the rear Kansas City block of my train east of the yard. My train had to pull ahead over a busy road crossing. With it being rush hour I knew people would be impatient, so as soon as I stopped the train to make the cut I sent the engineer ahead again to clear the crossing and then I would walk back to tie handbrakes. Just as my train was about to move I see this guy sliding his bike under a box car on the crossing and then himself after I had told my engineer I was in the clear. Luckily, someone above was watching out for this idiot because my train went into emergency for an unkown reason. I just don't understand how time can be that important to people where they'd be willing to risk their lives or the lives of others for a few minutes. [V][xx(]