QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Actually, I agree with you on most of your points...although I find that enviroment has a lot to do with how intelligent a person becomes. A child raised in a enviroment lacking in any intelligent stimulation will grow up into a dull and dumb person, a drone if you will. Yet, even in the midst of abject poverty, a child raised to question the things around them, to seek out knowledge, will often grow up to be a lot smarter than it's parents, and those around them. I know, because all three of my kids are smarter than I am...on purpose. We placed them in a learning enviroment where they are challanged to learn and excel, where knowledge is valued above material things. But, as you have pointed out, one should consider the source in the first place. So, might you re-read the posting you disagree with, and take a look at the profiles of the posters...then consider the source...bet you will find most of them are young, and still see the world in black and white terms of absolute right and wrong. Ed
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QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother. And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood. ok, let's turn the thing around. Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt, and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel? That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results. I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them. yea, we are a special breed of humans that hate their own children Your replies certainly imply that you don't care, just put them back under proven dangerous supervision. Well, then you must have been reading between the lines. Locking someone up or removing his child, and being angry at him and hate him are not the same things. One thing is doing something for someones protection, and another thing is doing the same thing out of revenge. The first can be a noble thing, the second is selfcentered. What I'm against is the attitude, not the actions. Justice system should be based on protection of free citizens, not on revenge. You seem to be reading between MY lines. I'm for the idea of removing the children from her custody because she's proven she's incapable of making decisions to do the things to keep them safe. Her only concern was a "shortcut" which endangered all 3 of her children. She should get jail time for this "reckless endangerment." At no time did I mention "death penalty" or "revenge."
QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother. And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood. ok, let's turn the thing around. Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt, and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel? That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results. I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them. yea, we are a special breed of humans that hate their own children Your replies certainly imply that you don't care, just put them back under proven dangerous supervision. Well, then you must have been reading between the lines. Locking someone up or removing his child, and being angry at him and hate him are not the same things. One thing is doing something for someones protection, and another thing is doing the same thing out of revenge. The first can be a noble thing, the second is selfcentered. What I'm against is the attitude, not the actions. Justice system should be based on protection of free citizens, not on revenge.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother. And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood. ok, let's turn the thing around. Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt, and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel? That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results. I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them. yea, we are a special breed of humans that hate their own children Your replies certainly imply that you don't care, just put them back under proven dangerous supervision.
QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother. And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood. ok, let's turn the thing around. Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt, and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel? That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results. I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them. yea, we are a special breed of humans that hate their own children
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother. And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood. ok, let's turn the thing around. Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt, and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel? That's known as "Darwinism." Let me turn the question back around to you. According to the story the woman has two other children. Should we give them all back to her and see if she can maim and/or kill them too? Would you just stand there and watch her do something so stupid that this would happen? If she crawled under a truck stopped at a traffic light, it would be just as stupid, with the same possible results. I don't know how things are in your country, but here we tend to try to protect childern from such actions by adults. We have a thing in our laws called "reckless endangerment of a minor" which is pretty much what this was. Maybe the children in your country are just throw-away, but here, we have a tendency to care about them.
QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother. And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood. ok, let's turn the thing around. Let's supose you were born stupid, and then you have a child (because you are stupid to understand that you are too stupid to take care of a child) , and because of your stupidity the child gets hurt, and then tons of people start hating you for it, how would you feel?
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother. And why not? Her extreme stupidity is what caused her daughter to lose her arm. Intended to or not has nothing to do with emotions. She obviously isn't fit to raise childern and have them live to adulthood.
QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother.
QUOTE: Originally posted by ChrisBARailfan This post was never intended to discuss worldwide issues as education and intelligence. I am sorry I ever posted this in the beginning. It seems we have devolved from how one person made a mistake into how two cultures differ on punishment and.....oh nevermind.
QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68 I read one of those things that makes the rounds of the Internet a while back. Something to the effect that by all rights, most of us Boomers shouldn't even be alive now - we drank from the hose, didn't get our scrapes doctored immediately, etc, etc. The closing portion of the piece points out that all of the things that could have killed us were part of our risk-taking environment, which was also a rich learning environment, and that those same boomers have lead us to many of the breakthroughs we now enjoy the fruits of. The piece also implies that we are raising a generation that doesn't have to take risks, and isn't used to making mistakes and learning from them. The isolation from threat is part of what caused this accident - mom had probably never experienced a non-moving train that started to move. As was mentioned, our schools, in their efforts to improve education, are in reality turning out large numbers of kids with lots of academic credentials, but danged few life skills. Many of the social and cultural customs we used to count as part of life have been removed. In my high school there were just six varsity cheerleaders (in a school of over 1000 students). The girls had to try out, and some didn't make it. Same with the other sports teams. Nowadays, "no cut" policies abound. Show up and you're on the team.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother. No worries here though, I'll have my rifle in one hand and my BIBLE in the other.[;)] What a combination. I don't think these two really mix, at least not the new testament [:D] Well, this isn't the place to discuss this so I'm not going to. I agree with you though, it doesn't help anything to be angry at the stupid.
QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother. No worries here though, I'll have my rifle in one hand and my BIBLE in the other.[;)] What a combination. I don't think these two really mix, at least not the new testament [:D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele The choice of emotions for this situation comes down to a simple little question: Did the mother intent for the child to lose her arm? of course not. maybe she is not a good parent because she doesn't pay attention to some things, maybe it is even better for the girl to live with someone else who can take care of her, but non of that means we should be angry at the mother. No worries here though, I'll have my rifle in one hand and my BIBLE in the other.[;)]
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