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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 21, 2005 2:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

a $75 dollar fine isn't gonna do much to deter people from doing that. i refuse to wear my seatbelt and for that i've been issued 5 tickets over the past couple years now that it's a "primary offense" and another bullshiiit reason for a cop to pull you over.


Sorry, but not wearing a seatbelt is beyond stupid.

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Posted by wctransfer on Friday, October 21, 2005 2:45 PM
``If you are walking with your back to the train, you may not hear it.''

And your smoking what????? I hate it when stupid reporters ( or anyone ) pretend they know stuff about trains. Just like the BNSF story , " OMFG, IT WAS LEFT RUNNING, WE ARE GONNA DIE "

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Posted by dharmon on Friday, October 21, 2005 4:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098
C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too.


Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this.

Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator?


Yeah....ummm.....not exactly what happens....the vacuum you describe happens after it pentetrates a vehicle's skin, provided it's enclosed (tank, AFV, etc..)
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Posted by vsmith on Friday, October 21, 2005 4:24 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murray

QUOTE: Originally posted by farmer03

a $75 dollar fine isn't gonna do much to deter people from doing that. i refuse to wear my seatbelt and for that i've been issued 5 tickets over the past couple years now that it's a "primary offense" and another bullshiiit reason for a cop to pull you over.


Sorry, but not wearing a seatbelt is beyond stupid.





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I've seen Police video of a stolen SUV with 3 idiots in it loose control and roll, all three were ejected from the vehicle, each thru a different window, 1 dead, 2 in the hospital.

Also seen where a guy , not buckled, was in an accident where the impact thru him clear into the back of the SUV, he bounced off just about every side inside the SUV, they could tell that from the blood marks.

Ever hear of the Catapult Syndrome? Thats where in an accident the driver or passenger not buckled in, is catapulted straight thru the windsheild and onto the road, often if theirs not enough force for a full projectile launch, the person will only go thru head first as is only the headgoing thru the glass allowing the glass to essentially garrot the person like a guillotenne.

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Posted by TomDiehl on Friday, October 21, 2005 4:31 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098
C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too.


Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this.

Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator?


Yeah....ummm.....not exactly what happens....the vacuum you describe happens after it pentetrates a vehicle's skin, provided it's enclosed (tank, AFV, etc..)


Yeah, the guys here at Picatinny got a GREAT laugh out of that one. Especially the "plasma" part.

I didn't even want to mention him confusing SABO and sabot. (not the same thing)
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Posted by mackb4 on Friday, October 21, 2005 4:37 PM
We as railroad employees can't hardly make a case for suing over a crossing accident.I've been involved in several crossings accident's,one fatal,one not fatal,one with a sheriff's car stuck on the track,and one right now (thats in court can't elaborate)that indirectly involved my train.I''ve personally been sued(attempted)and been named in law suits.But I have only once heard of an engineer suing and winning over mental stress due to a crossing accident.And that happened in upper Ohio.Sometimes to be honest at certain times of days it's like playing dodge ball at crossings.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 21, 2005 7:56 PM
Too bad the morons did not get run over by the trains and earn themselves a Darwin award for stupid ways to take yourself out of the gene pool.

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Posted by Kurn on Friday, October 21, 2005 8:02 PM
I had a load to WV today and didn't hear the final tally.On a related note, at several CSX crossings in the area,there are traffic signals fairly close to the tracks.So what do these mental giants do? Well,they stop on the tracks,of course!

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Posted by canazar on Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:53 AM
Well, its nice to hear that the police are trying to crack down on bozos. The camera is nice touch too... Kinda hard to argue that one with the Judge

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:47 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098
C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too.


Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this.

Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator?


Yeah....ummm.....not exactly what happens....the vacuum you describe happens after it pentetrates a vehicle's skin, provided it's enclosed (tank, AFV, etc..)
It is made of depleated uranium, the plasma forms because of the rounds extreemly high velocity creates friction with the air, on the tip of the round. By vacumn I mean it pulls a huge amount of air behind it, not a techinacal vacumn. Now if you really want to stop people you use HEP.
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Posted by TomDiehl on Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:37 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098
C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too.


Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this.

Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator?


Yeah....ummm.....not exactly what happens....the vacuum you describe happens after it pentetrates a vehicle's skin, provided it's enclosed (tank, AFV, etc..)
It is made of depleated uranium, the plasma forms because of the rounds extreemly high velocity creates friction with the air, on the tip of the round. By vacumn I mean it pulls a huge amount of air behind it, not a techinacal vacumn. Now if you really want to stop people you use HEP.


LMFAO. Your lack of knowledge of artillery is downright laughable. This is my line of work.

It's better to sit there quietly and have people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:52 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098
C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too.


Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this.

Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator?


Yeah....ummm.....not exactly what happens....the vacuum you describe happens after it pentetrates a vehicle's skin, provided it's enclosed (tank, AFV, etc..)
It is made of depleated uranium, the plasma forms because of the rounds extreemly high velocity creates friction with the air, on the tip of the round. By vacumn I mean it pulls a huge amount of air behind it, not a techinacal vacumn. Now if you really want to stop people you use HEP.


Using head end power will stop people from going around the gates?[;)] I did not know that.[:o)]

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Posted by dharmon on Saturday, October 22, 2005 12:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098
C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too.


Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this.

Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator?


Yeah....ummm.....not exactly what happens....the vacuum you describe happens after it pentetrates a vehicle's skin, provided it's enclosed (tank, AFV, etc..)
It is made of depleated uranium, the plasma forms because of the rounds extreemly high velocity creates friction with the air, on the tip of the round. By vacumn I mean it pulls a huge amount of air behind it, not a techinacal vacumn. Now if you really want to stop people you use HEP.


I'm going to have to side with Tom on this issue.........by the way...when you start talking about munitions...and a guy says something like ...I'll talk to the guys at work...down at Picatinny....I'd stop there, when he says what I'm saying is incorrect......that would be kind of like arguing the GCOR with professional railroaders, and legal issues with lawyers..

..oh wait..that's been done too......

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:49 PM
A similar conversation came up at our house tonight about plasma and uranium. It stopped me in my tracks, because it was my 7 year old doing the explanation![:O] Upon some discussion, it turns out his information is in reference to a Star Wars movie.[alien] It makes me wonder what your point of reference might be?[;)]


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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by wctransfer

``If you are walking with your back to the train, you may not hear it.''

And your smoking what????? I hate it when stupid reporters ( or anyone ) pretend they know stuff about trains. Just like the BNSF story , " OMFG, IT WAS LEFT RUNNING, WE ARE GONNA DIE "

Alec


You are SO RIGHT- I have heard news agencies saying how trains "sneak up on people", "and catch them off gaurd."or "didn't notice"

Listen Mr. Anchorman, I have been close to idling locomotives in museams, and the inside of my body was rattiling from the noise of that thing just standing there that I DIDN"T notice ANYTHIG else....

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:25 PM
Sadly. about 3-4 years ago, a deaf hunter was walking the BN tracks near Garretson, S.D., and got killed by a train that he didn't see, or hear coming.[sigh]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:58 AM
Do remember though, that freight cars CAN roll silently enough to catch the unvigilant railroader.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:01 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by TomDiehl

QUOTE: Originally posted by Lotus098
C&D also seems very likely. Those sabots create a vacumn behind them, they also move so fast plasma forms ont the front of the round it vaproizes armor as it hits. I saw a video where three guys are hidding behind a corner. The tank fires a sabot round down the road not even at these guys. Well, they get sucked right out onto the street in front of the tank, their Gihad ended real quick too.


Wow, the weapons engineers at Picatinny****nal would be surprised to know this.

Is that plasma in front of the tungsten steel or DU penetrator?


Yeah....ummm.....not exactly what happens....the vacuum you describe happens after it pentetrates a vehicle's skin, provided it's enclosed (tank, AFV, etc..)
It is made of depleated uranium, the plasma forms because of the rounds extreemly high velocity creates friction with the air, on the tip of the round. By vacumn I mean it pulls a huge amount of air behind it, not a techinacal vacumn. Now if you really want to stop people you use HEP.


I'm going to have to side with Tom on this issue.........by the way...when you start talking about munitions...and a guy says something like ...I'll talk to the guys at work...down at Picatinny....I'd stop there, when he says what I'm saying is incorrect......that would be kind of like arguing the GCOR with professional railroaders, and legal issues with lawyers..

..oh wait..that's been done too......

Dan


Just to clarify, I was arguing law with a lawyer, but I wasn't arguing about the GCOR specifically....[:)][:D][8D]

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Posted by cpbloom on Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:30 AM
QUOTE:

This kinda reminds me of a story from Iraq. Story goes, a M1A1 tank crew noticed an insurgent aiming a rifle at them and managed to fire a shot off . Now what happened next is .

A. tank crew poopied in their pants.
B. Insurgent poopied in his pants.
C. insurgent ran like the coward he was.
D. Tank crew returned fire with a SABO round / thus ending the problem.

The answer is D. I saw the video on Military.com to comfirm this story.

Moral of the story,don't be a @#%$&*#

Patrick


[:o)][:p]....I was an MOS 19K (M1A1 armor crewmen) when I was in the army but I was under the impression that you don't fire SABOT rounds (or any tank rounds) at personell NOT in vehicles[?][?][?]
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Posted by chad thomas on Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:16 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by rgroeling

QUOTE: Originally posted by wctransfer

``If you are walking with your back to the train, you may not hear it.''

And your smoking what????? I hate it when stupid reporters ( or anyone ) pretend they know stuff about trains. Just like the BNSF story , " OMFG, IT WAS LEFT RUNNING, WE ARE GONNA DIE "

Alec


You are SO RIGHT- I have heard news agencies saying how trains "sneak up on people", "and catch them off gaurd."or "didn't notice"

Listen Mr. Anchorman, I have been close to idling locomotives in museams, and the inside of my body was rattiling from the noise of that thing just standing there that I DIDN"T notice ANYTHIG else....

Jeez


You wouldn't think a train could sneak up on you, But trust me it can. If a train is idleing downgrade in thick vegitation and you are up wind, they can be very quiet.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

QUOTE: Originally posted by rgroeling

QUOTE: Originally posted by wctransfer

``If you are walking with your back to the train, you may not hear it.''

And your smoking what????? I hate it when stupid reporters ( or anyone ) pretend they know stuff about trains. Just like the BNSF story , " OMFG, IT WAS LEFT RUNNING, WE ARE GONNA DIE "

Alec


You are SO RIGHT- I have heard news agencies saying how trains "sneak up on people", "and catch them off gaurd."or "didn't notice"

Listen Mr. Anchorman, I have been close to idling locomotives in museams, and the inside of my body was rattiling from the noise of that thing just standing there that I DIDN"T notice ANYTHIG else....

Jeez


You wouldn't think a train could sneak up on you, But trust me it can. If a train is idleing downgrade in thick vegitation and you are up wind, they can be very quiet.


Ok here's the logic behind why they say that a train can sneak up on you. If you say that "trains are loud and you wil be able to get out of the way." People are then going to think "I can hear the train and get out of the way" and walk on thte tracks. But if you say it can sneak up on you then people are going to be scared and stay off the tracks. Which leads to the moral question "is it ok to lie to save a life" In this sitiuation I think it is moral.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:09 PM
I understand your point 100%

sorry[:(]
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Posted by CSXrules4eva on Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:43 PM
Speaking of trains sneaking up on people. That is how many people get killed on Amtrak's high speed line, like the NEC for example. When one of those Acela units is traveling 125 mph or so your really not going to be able to hear it in time, if your walking along the tracks, it sneaks up on you and then bam, your done. Many people don't realize that, they think a train is big, and heavy it's bound to make lots of noise, sometimes it doesn't work that way.
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Posted by chad thomas on Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:49 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CSXrules4eva

Speaking of trains sneaking up on people. That is how many people get killed on Amtrak's high speed line, like the NEC for example. When one of those Acela units is traveling 125 mph or so your really not going to be able to hear it in time, if your walking along the tracks, it sneaks up on you and then bam, your done. Many people don't realize that, they think a train is big, and heavy it's bound to make lots of noise, sometimes it doesn't work that way.


Yea, especially at 125. and especially an electric.[xx(]
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Posted by samfp1943 on Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:57 PM
Electric trains on closed right of ways, and at 125 mph...Whispering death to the unvigilent.

 

 


 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:31 PM
Steam at 125 on the other hand...that would make some noise (as would the 3x10^4 railfans with it) [:D]!
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 24, 2005 12:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by rgroeling

I understand your point 100%

sorry[:(]


I agree with your claim 100% it would be very for a diesal. I meant no harm in my comment. I can tell you a good guy
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Posted by edbenton on Monday, October 24, 2005 1:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cpbloom

QUOTE:

This kinda reminds me of a story from Iraq. Story goes, a M1A1 tank crew noticed an insurgent aiming a rifle at them and managed to fire a shot off . Now what happened next is .

A. tank crew poopied in their pants.
B. Insurgent poopied in his pants.
C. insurgent ran like the coward he was.
D. Tank crew returned fire with a SABO round / thus ending the problem.

The answer is D. I saw the video on Military.com to comfirm this story.

Moral of the story,don't be a @#%$&*#

Patrick


[:o)][:p]....I was an MOS 19K (M1A1 armor crewmen) when I was in the army but I was under the impression that you don't fire SABOT rounds (or any tank rounds) at personell NOT in vehicles[?][?][?]


Trust me if a crew sees someone aim anything at them and if the main gun is ready they will pull the trigger. A Sabot round is overkill but gets the job done. No worse than using a Dragon missle for room clearing the Marines did that in Fallugah.
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Posted by Leon Silverman on Monday, October 24, 2005 1:42 PM
Noise is relative. Even if the Acela made the noise of a steam engine going at the same speed, the NEC on which it travels parallels I-95 going thru Northeast Philadelphia. This highway is so noisy that the center city Philadelphia residents held up its' initial opening until sound barriers could be erected. They got what they deserved, though. The sound barriers also blocked the view of the Delaware River and replaced it with a wall. The fact is, though, unless you are in a sound boothe, there are really few outdoor areas that are totally quiet. Most modern vehicles, due to enveironment regulations, can only be heard from a distance when their horns are sounded.
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Posted by CSXrules4eva on Monday, October 24, 2005 3:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Leon Silverman

Noise is relative. Even if the Acela made the noise of a steam engine going at the same speed, the NEC on which it travels parallels I-95 going thru Northeast Philadelphia. This highway is so noisy that the center city Philadelphia residents held up its' initial opening until sound barriers could be erected. They got what they deserved, though. The sound barriers also blocked the view of the Delaware River and replaced it with a wall. The fact is, though, unless you are in a sound boothe, there are really few outdoor areas that are totally quiet. Most modern vehicles, due to enveironment regulations, can only be heard from a distance when their horns are sounded.


Oh yes, the road of death what I like to call I-95 that runs parallel to the NEC is very noisy, even with the sound barriers you can still hear the noise. It also gets really noisy between the hours of 3pm-8pm. I really do feel bad for those people who live in the PHA's (Philadelphia Housing Authority) homes in that area. Anyway, yes I do agree with you if there are tresspassers on the NEC along this porsion of I 95, they are not going to be able to hear a quite running 125 mph Acela.

Maybe this could be one of the many reasons why we should go back to steam and get the Alleghenys up and running again. lol[:D]
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