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QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar I would have had those 20 cars FILLED and red tape be ***ed.
QUOTE: Originally posted by ndbprr Not to pile on or pass judgement but there is evidence that 9/1 was the day welfare checks were to be distributed and the people wouldn't leave because they wanted the money first.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates monday morning quarterbacking comes easy.. There are so many variables, most of which you would have to have been there to appreciate, that it's almost impossible to say for sure what any of us would or would not have, done. That's not to say that the people who were in charge didn't make big mistakes, but to sit here after tha fact claiming how we would have handled it better, knowing no more than what is being reported by the media , is kinda unrealistic.
Jock Ellis Cumming, GA US of A Georgia Association of Railroad Passengers
QUOTE: Originally posted by Cris Helt Too bad the Sean Hannitys and Rush Limbaughs haven't grasped the realization of this, but monday morning quarterbacking is their specialty.
QUOTE: Originally posted by jockellis G'day, Y'all, In my ROTC classes at an essentially-military college, we were told that war zones were not the time or place to think, but to act on pre-practiced motions. They were talking about Vietnam but the instructions carry over to hurricane zones because in both situations, self preservation overrides thoughts of the mission. New Orleans and the other coastal cities should have had their own disaster plans which dovetailed with those of the whole region, the state and the Gulf Coast, east coast, Great Lakes, Pacific Northwest, West Coast, etc.. These should have begun at the local level rather than in Washington. Both the mayor and governor should bear the brunt of the blame, but FEMA should come in for its share, too. But with, what? 200 years of weather behind it? Louisanna should have known a big one would eventually get it and be ready to respond. Jock Ellis Cumming, GA US of A
USAF TSgt C-17 Aircraft Maintenance Flying Crew Chief & Flightline Avionics Craftsman
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates QUOTE: Originally posted by Cris Helt Too bad the Sean Hannitys and Rush Limbaughs haven't grasped the realization of this, but monday morning quarterbacking is their specialty. Have you tried to ride amtrak lately? (lol) You gotta meet them WHERE THEY SAY, WHEN THEY SAY, or it's "no ride for you" Here I've gotta drive 40 miles out into the cornfields and be there at 11:30 PM, "or else"...No on site ticketing, no baggage checK... etc I'm only kidding a little when i say with a hurricane on their hands, the local authorities probably saw dealing with the storm as easier than putting up with Amtrak's personality
QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan This is no big surprise to me and to many...the mayor, Governor and FEMA director were all incompetent, and so far only one has resigned....AHHHH, POLITICAL PATRONAGE IS A WONDERFUL THING...NOT.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Cris Helt Anything the government (state or federal) touches, turns to total FUBAR. [xx(] [xx(]
QUOTE: Originally posted by smalling_60626 I only hope that, when the dust from this megaflap and human tragedy settles down (in a couple of years), a book will be published by the investigating committee that's half as factual and insightful as the 9/11 Commission's report.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates Originally posted by Cris Helt Anything the government (state or federal) touches, turns to total FUBAR. [xx(] [xx(] Well, I just have noticed how, despite the confidence I have that serious mistakes were made by the local authorities, It's also becoming more obvious that the finger pointers are only giving one side of the story Exactly! "One thing about trains...it doesn't matter where they're going. What matters is deciding to get on." from "Polar Express" Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:12 PM I agree this is a huge tragedy in our history. However when the media is showing pictures of people screaming for water and food 3 days after the hurricane passed and the director of FEMA goes I did not know they were usin that as a shelter. Bush was not even told how bad it was til 2 days afterword and then of course there is Barbara Bush's comment. FEMA anymore is a place to put your biggest cronie to run it. Brown had NO EXPERINCE IN HANDELING ANYTHING HIS LAST JOB WAS OVERSEEING HORSE SHOW JUDGES. Bu***hought I can still stay on vaction even though his own staff was asying we need to get back to DC. Yes NO could have prepared better and could have moved more people out beforehand but, 4 days to get food and water in to a major city that is flooded is a little slow. Florida was hit by SIX HURRICANES LAST YEAR AND THE AVARAGE RELIEF TIME WAS 1-2 DAYS FOR EVERYONE. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton I agree this is a huge tragedy in our history. However when the media is showing pictures of people screaming for water and food 3 days after the hurricane passed and the director of FEMA goes I did not know they were usin that as a shelter. Bush was not even told how bad it was til 2 days afterword and then of course there is Barbara Bush's comment. FEMA anymore is a place to put your biggest cronie to run it. Brown had NO EXPERINCE IN HANDELING ANYTHING HIS LAST JOB WAS OVERSEEING HORSE SHOW JUDGES. Bu***hought I can still stay on vaction even though his own staff was asying we need to get back to DC. Yes NO could have prepared better and could have moved more people out beforehand but, 4 days to get food and water in to a major city that is flooded is a little slow. Florida was hit by SIX HURRICANES LAST YEAR AND THE AVARAGE RELIEF TIME WAS 1-2 DAYS FOR EVERYONE. Actually it was 4 major ones that hit FL, I know I was there . . . after the first one, most everyone became for prepared for the next one. 4 hurricanes in 2 months is a bit much, I know, senior year in high school was delayed for at least a week in my area ( I think that was Frances) because much of the infrastructure was damaged. What did the governor ask for in each of the 4 hurricanes? Simple prayer. Why? Because those Floridians who lived in FL knew well enough that one either left or stayed. I stayed. And oh by the way, we had remove downed trees and deal with a little flooding. When you're talking NO, note the context . . . NO is below sea level and it's severly flooded. The biggest water craft that could move around w/o incident of death or injury in that flood zone would have to be pretty shallow even if one tried to load it up. And besides, NO's roads are well slowly becoming roads again, so yes it's going to take time, the gov has always been cautious . . . and yes a little slow. I'm not defending the gov . . . "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:57 PM One thing that appalled me was the COMPLETE lack of preparation on thee part of the NO residents and their local government. They had a mock run-through on this very scenario just last year, predicted 480,000 evacuees, and that roughly 100,000 people would not evacuate the city under any situation. Nobody was willing to take responsibility for their own safety and comfort. The Superdome was designated as a refuge of last resort, but NO attempts were made to equip it for such a function. No food, no water, no bedding, and no security. They expected 10's of thousands of people to show up there, but made no plans for them. They didn't even try to pre-position a couple of truckloads as the storm approached. Down in the French Quarter hotels were randsacked. The kitchens were cleaned out from all their booze. The food and water was left behind. That's right adjacent to the Convention Center. Nobody made any attempt to take care of themselves. Nobody tried to clean up the area around themselves. Nobody tried to purify water for drinking. There was plenty of material and equipment to make eats and drinks. The people were just sitting around waiting for the next handout. A lot of their suffering was created because people had forgotten how to take care of themselves. Sad, very sad. Maybe now they'll learn the realities of life. Mark in Utah Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:23 PM I'm not trying to point my finger and say this is all the federal government's fault. There's lots of blame to go around, and of course things could have been done better. One thing's for sure is that NO's mayor will have to answer to some tough questions as things stabilize. Btw- believe it or not, but it's actually possible for Fox News and the myriad dittoheads to get things wrong, just like MSNBC, CNN, and the local news station as it is for all of them to get it right. Consider the source, listen to both sides, and form a personal view. The truth lies somewhere inbetween. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Cris Helt I'm not trying to point my finger and say this is all the federal government's fault. There's lots of blame to go around, and of course things could have been done better. One thing's for sure is that NO's mayor will have to answer to some tough questions as things stabilize. Btw- believe it or not, but it's actually possible for Fox News and the myriad dittoheads to get things wrong, just like MSNBC, CNN, and the local news station as it is for all of them to get it right. Consider the source, listen to both sides, and form a personal view. The truth lies somewhere inbetween. Very true, a person needs more then 1 source or type of media for their news. It then falls to what your gut instinct says. With that said, I think President Bush has made all this moot, he has now taken the blame, wether he is to blame or not, shows a much bigger man then the person/people on the local and state level in NO. I do hope eventually the facts are presented, unbiased and fair. If it turns out that someone was truely in the wrong, then I say fry them. Reply Edit Wdlgln005 Member sinceApril 2002 From: Nashville TN 1,306 posts Posted by Wdlgln005 on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:34 PM TLet's try to fill this with GOOD news. eventually, an Amrak trainwas used to transport people out of NO west. THe Amtrak/bus station is serving as a jail for 300 crooks. Amtrak is providing power for the station. Glenn Woodle Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by Cris Helt Anything the government (state or federal) touches, turns to total FUBAR. [xx(] [xx(]
QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton I agree this is a huge tragedy in our history. However when the media is showing pictures of people screaming for water and food 3 days after the hurricane passed and the director of FEMA goes I did not know they were usin that as a shelter. Bush was not even told how bad it was til 2 days afterword and then of course there is Barbara Bush's comment. FEMA anymore is a place to put your biggest cronie to run it. Brown had NO EXPERINCE IN HANDELING ANYTHING HIS LAST JOB WAS OVERSEEING HORSE SHOW JUDGES. Bu***hought I can still stay on vaction even though his own staff was asying we need to get back to DC. Yes NO could have prepared better and could have moved more people out beforehand but, 4 days to get food and water in to a major city that is flooded is a little slow. Florida was hit by SIX HURRICANES LAST YEAR AND THE AVARAGE RELIEF TIME WAS 1-2 DAYS FOR EVERYONE.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Cris Helt I'm not trying to point my finger and say this is all the federal government's fault. There's lots of blame to go around, and of course things could have been done better. One thing's for sure is that NO's mayor will have to answer to some tough questions as things stabilize. Btw- believe it or not, but it's actually possible for Fox News and the myriad dittoheads to get things wrong, just like MSNBC, CNN, and the local news station as it is for all of them to get it right. Consider the source, listen to both sides, and form a personal view. The truth lies somewhere inbetween.
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