"little joe"

[Anonymous]

Are there any working "little joe" machines out there in america?

[Dutchrailnut]

No only two are preserved I believe one in Montana and one at a Museum.

[adrianspeeder]

No

Adrianspeeder

[Bob-Fryml]

A few years ago an historic group had a "Joe" on display along side the main drag in downtown Deer Lodge, Mont. It had a fresh paint job and looked pretty spiffy too.

Likewise, the Illinois Railway Museum, Union, Ill. has one in their collection, but I don't know if it runs.

I seem to recall that some Brazilian Railway bought a slug of these units and they still may be running them.

HEY YOU ALCO GUYS OUT THERE! Given the fact that General Electric built the "Little Joes" with two unpowered axles on each end and two sets of four powered axles in the middle, might one claim that the Chicago, South Shore and South Bend and The Milwaukee Road each fielded their own fleet of "Big Boys?"

[Anonymous]

I know it had 8 powered axles, but as far as I can see on pictures it has 12 axles total, so it makes TWO unpowered at each end. Or am I wrong?

[Anonymous]

[:D][:D] lol that is just what you said!!!
stupid me

[AlcoRS11Nut]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Bob-Fryml


HEY YOU ALCO GUYS OUT THERE! Given the fact that General Electric built the "Little Joes" with two unpowered axles on each end and two sets of four powered axles in the middle, might one claim that the Chicago, South Shore and South Bend and The Milwaukee Road each fielded their own fleet of "Big Boys?"

sorry....electrics don't count in my book.

[Anonymous]

don't count for what?

[adrianspeeder]

I like the electrics. Course I'm an electrical engineering major...

Adrianspeeder

[Junctionfan]

Are they also know as speedos? I think I saw one on a Conrail movie near Erie, PA I believe. They look toy like F7s?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by adrianspeeder

I like the electrics. Course I'm an electrical engineering major...

Adrianspeeder

good for you! I'm currently a student of electrical engineering too [:D]

[nanaimo73]

The Milwaukee Road (CMSP&P) Little Joes stopped running in 1974 and the Chicago, Southshore and South Bend Joes lasted until December 1980 or January 1981. No body seems to know very much about the 5 that went to Brazil.

[arbfbe]

Three of the GE built electrics survive in the US. The MILW E-70 which was the demo unit GE 750 sent by GE to sell all 20 units to the MILW. One of the CSS&SB units is in Union, Il and another is in Baltimore. None are operative.

The wheel arrangement is 2-D+D-2, electrical terminology for a 4-8+8-4 type locomotive with two idler axles, four powered axles articulated with four powered axles and two more idler axles.

Five of the units went to the Paulista RR in Brazil and while they operated beyond the MILW and CSS&SB units I believe all of them are now retired as well.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

I've seen photos on other websites that show the Paulista Little Joes were re-equipped with Faiveley (single-arm) pantographs, a most interesting arrangement.

Also with a 2-D+D-2 wheel arrangement: Baldwin Centipedes.

[ndbprr]

One from the South Shore is at the Illinois Railroad Museum. I remember it well having seen it switch the Gary and East Chicago area. The pantograph bearings must have been warn toward the end as it had a tendency to lean a little in the oppsite direction from movement.

[csmith9474]

At least the commies never got their hands on 'em.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

At least the commies never got their hands on 'em.

well, americans would have gotten money for them , it's not like russians would steal them, so it is a mutual loss

[csmith9474]

I just wouldn't have wanted to see the Reds get 'em.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

I just wouldn't have wanted to see the Reds get 'em.

what difference does it make? It's not like they could use it as weapons.
If the shipment was made, perhapse after the wall and socialism had fallen, there would be more places where you could go and see a little joe than there is today

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

At least the commies never got their hands on 'em.

As a revenge Russians run about 20000 copies of ALCO diesel engine in various locos ^^

[csmith9474]

QUOTE: Originally posted by electro-ortcele

QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

I just wouldn't have wanted to see the Reds get 'em.

what difference does it make? It's not like they could use it as weapons.
If the shipment was made, perhapse after the wall and socialism had fallen, there would be more places where you could go and see a little joe than there is today

I guess I have been told.

[Kurn]

The CSS&SB Little Joe that was at the B&O Museum is at the Lake Shore Railway Museum in North East,Pa.It's restored quite nicely.

[Anonymous]

is there any media about this locomotive other than a few bad scans that are circulating the net, and a few 90's photos?

By media, I mean things like sound recordings, photos of interior etc.

[csmith9474]

http://bonanza1.com/gallery/Joe/Untitled64

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

http://bonanza1.com/gallery/Joe/Untitled64

[V]

[csmith9474]

I thought that this was kind of interesting, if you haven't already seen it. I figured it was time to get serious.[:D]

http://www.hollenback.net/index.php/DeerLodgeLittleJoe
http://www.highironillustrations.com/railfan_specification/spec_littlejoe.html
http://www.brian894x4.com/MilwaukeeRoad.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/sd40/page10.html
http://www.milwest.org/miscphotos.htm

[Anonymous]

thanks

yea I've seen that parked on, I have a whole bunch of pictures of little joe on my comp, but I am really currious as to how this thing sounded, or how the cockpit looked like

[Anonymous]

oh, didn't see your edit..

there are some I don't have yet, thanks for the links

[csmith9474]

I especially liked the shot of a Little Joe runnin with the Geeps.[^]

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csmith9474

I especially liked the shot of a Little Joe runnin with the Geeps.[^]

yea, that's a sight