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Posted by eolafan on Saturday, September 3, 2005 12:08 PM
If you don't need to REALLY take that trip, don't
If you are going to idle at the bank drive up window for a while, shut her off
If you are typically going shopping for food three times a week, make it once
If you guy premium when regular will do, buy regular from now on
If your kids want to go to a friends house a half mile away, make them walk

Bottom line here, if we use less gas the oil companies will get the messagr really quick.
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Posted by andrewjonathon on Friday, September 2, 2005 11:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ndbprr

I also note that the UN that chastised our relief efforts and giving for the tsunami victims have done nothing or offered to help us in any way. A German official said we deserve this. Al Qaeda said Allah was responsible. A pox on them all.

According to Fox News the UN has offered assistance. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168322,00.html
As for the German official, every country has their idiots. Germany itself is one of a number of countries who have offered assistance. I was really surprised to see Cuba and Venezula offer assistance given the political differences. Its wonderful to see some nations who clearly are not in a position (i.e. Sri Lanka) to help others offering to assist where they can. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168322,00.html

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Posted by richardy on Friday, September 2, 2005 10:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by CSXrules4eva

QUOTE: Originally posted by cherokee woman

Maybe we should all just get a couple of horses, and a buggy, and go back to
that kind of "horsepower". That way, we wouldn't need to pay their exhorbitant
prices for gasoline. Although, you'd have to have the extra expense for some-
one to behind the horses, to clean up after them (to satisy the environ-
mentalists).[:p][;)]


CW I agree with you on this one!! Then you wouldn't have to have insurance and you wouldn't see too many accidents happening on the road. That would be nice. Then you wouldn't have to worry about gas prices too much. Hay then maybe just maybe the prices will drop. Plus I can ride a horse really well. (English)


In the world of cars versus horses, if you don't maintain a car properly it may not run but probably can be repaired at a price. If you don't maintain a horse properly it dies, a total loss! My brother breeds and raises show horses and I have helped him many times with a sick horse, trust me you want a car!!

On another note the price of gas fell by ten cents here Friday.

And finally to all of those that have complained in this thread about everything done wrong, what have you done to help these people in need?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 2, 2005 10:45 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by garyaiki

QUOTE: Originally posted by dthurman
Maybe some couldn't get out, but I think the turds with the guns stayed for other reasons.

Don’t be coy. Tell us why they chose to stay. You admit some couldn’t get out, maybe. That implies the rest chose to stay. Explain that please.


I would think for a few reasons, some felt the storm wasn't going to be that bad, others may have wanted to not leave their possesions, the element I am referring to, the looters was hoping and waiting to see everyone leave, probably betting on any law enforcement to be pretty scarce also. This way they could raid drug stores for any narcotics, pharmacies are a virtual Walmart for dopers, they saw the chance coming to get all that cool electronics stuff, I am also going to bet the also didn't think it would be so bad that they got stranded, later I would imagine they felt they could grab a car and be on the way, also I don't remember where, but someone stated on some news network that this was also the looters, remember some weren't just men, there were kids and women also "STEALING" non-essential items required to survive, I guess I could allow a $100+ pair of Nikes so that all that walking they planned on their feet wouldn't hurt, but back to my point, someone stated this was the poormans chance to get what he deserves since they have been denied/held back from all the luxuries that those with money had. I wish i could remember the network/person that stated this outragous comment.

If you have been reading the thread, there is no "coy" to my statement, I have said many times as well as others why some of the "turds" wanted to stay. You should read the post that "edblysard" posted on the Mayor of New Orleans requests haste-People to write letters. topic; Link here > http://www.trains.com/community/forum/topic.asp?page=2&TOPIC_ID=44403

Surely you don't think every person in New Orleans is "stranded" because we left them. Or that all that stayed couldn't get out. That to me would be "coy"
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 2, 2005 10:19 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dthurman
Maybe some couldn't get out, but I think the turds with the guns stayed for other reasons.

Don’t be coy. Tell us why they chose to stay. You admit some couldn’t get out, maybe. That implies the rest chose to stay. Explain that please.
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Posted by Modelcar on Friday, September 2, 2005 9:04 PM
....Politics or no....The response time was terrible....The thousands of folks that didn't get out most had no way to get out....economically, no transportation, elderly, sick and so on.....Our priority just wasn't engaged fast enough to get the help coming....The suffering was terrible....The hospital ship leaving Va. won't be in the trouble zone until NEXT WEEK...! Almost no help came to the superdome....People died there....A terrible situation.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 2, 2005 8:58 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton

Word to the wise the mayor of New Orleans is a Republican and he is VERY PI$$ED off even the President is angry. The general in charge is litterly directing troops for a street corner. The Army Corp of Engineers has been saying for years that New Orleans was at risk. One reason why they kept the river flowing like they did what the port facilatys at NEw Orleans are some of the best in the world. Rebuilding those docks would cost around 15billion also rerouting the railroads to the new port is about another billion. The people who stayed behind are those who HAD NO WAY TO GET OUT OF THE CITY. In addition the hospitals were still full of critically ill people. Nurses are saying that it is to the point that do we use supplies on someone who probaly not make it or save them for someone who will make it.

I know I come across as a Bush Hater and I am one, BUT I have a Brother in the Air Force and 3 FRIENDS IN THE ARMY 2 OF WHICH ARE OVER IN IRAQ. My brother said in 2000 that if Bush won we are going to take out Hussien since in 91 he made his daddy look like a fool. Also Bushes inner circle knew that the LINE OF BS HE SOLD US ABOUT GOING TO WAR WAS NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT WAS WRITTEN ON.


Maybe some couldn't get out, but I think the turds with the guns stayed for other reasons. As for the nurses deciding on the use of supplies, your brother and other friends can tell you all about triage and why it is done. Sad but efficent method of saving lives.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 2, 2005 8:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by garyaiki

As I understand it, losing New Orleans and surrounding refineries and pipelines directly affects the East and MidWest. The Rockies and West have independent refineries and pipelines so Katrina isn’t the cause of shortages and or price gouging in Portola.


The gas fill ups were in Reno, NV. Yes, I understand that here on the west coast our gasoline is confined to use in Nevada, Washington, Oregon, California, and Arizonia for the most part. But, in yesterdays Reno Gazzett Journal, the local fish wrapper, they stated that gas prices where being driven up by Katina and that some gas stocks were being moved to the southeast. It did not say how this west cost gas was moving, but I'd assume by ship. I see yesterday the commerce department suspend the rules for American Flaged ship only hauling between American ports.

BTW, didn't chase UP 3985, and although I didn't vote for GW Bush either time, I think at this time its purdent to consider the trips I make.

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Posted by edbenton on Friday, September 2, 2005 6:25 PM
Word to the wise the mayor of New Orleans is a Republican and he is VERY PI$$ED off even the President is angry. The general in charge is litterly directing troops for a street corner. The Army Corp of Engineers has been saying for years that New Orleans was at risk. One reason why they kept the river flowing like they did what the port facilatys at NEw Orleans are some of the best in the world. Rebuilding those docks would cost around 15billion also rerouting the railroads to the new port is about another billion. The people who stayed behind are those who HAD NO WAY TO GET OUT OF THE CITY. In addition the hospitals were still full of critically ill people. Nurses are saying that it is to the point that do we use supplies on someone who probaly not make it or save them for someone who will make it.

I know I come across as a Bush Hater and I am one, BUT I have a Brother in the Air Force and 3 FRIENDS IN THE ARMY 2 OF WHICH ARE OVER IN IRAQ. My brother said in 2000 that if Bush won we are going to take out Hussien since in 91 he made his daddy look like a fool. Also Bushes inner circle knew that the LINE OF BS HE SOLD US ABOUT GOING TO WAR WAS NOT WORTH THE PAPER IT WAS WRITTEN ON.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 9:03 PM
vsmith - you have no idea how hard it is to coordinate the relief efforts in response to a disaster of this magnitude. You must think that things happen like they do in the movies, where SWAT teams are showing up 15 minutes after the disaster, and it's all wrapped up in one hour 50 minutes.

It takes days just to get assesments of the infrastructure damage, so routes into the city for supply trucks can be facilitated. It would have helped tremendously if those people had done what they were supposed to do and evacuated the city prior to the event. They didn't do that, and now that's the governments' fault?

The blame lies soley on those who defied orders, and now all we can do is the best we can within a reasonable time frame. We are sending truckloads of bottled water, ice, medicine, etc. to them as fast as is humanly possible, and all we get in return is a collective finger from those typical Democrat voters, which apparently includes you.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 8:50 PM
Rationing, Allan
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 8:13 PM
Get ready for RASHNING. The word is now out. Rashin Gas..
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 7:58 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

It didnt start off underwater, marsh land is very prone to subsiedance, over the years the land sinks, normally it just floods and becomes wetlands. Now you build a settlement there, the land sinks, floods, so they build a levee to keep the water out. as the years go by the land sinks a couple more inches, so they keep raising the levees. Now in addition to the settling, add silting on the riverbed, the top of the river is now flows even higher so you raise the levees again, see? Add 250 years of this and you end up with a city 20' in some places below sea level. They never imported any soil to raise the city, instead placing all thier faith in a levee system that dates back to horse and buggy days.


I also heard that the city water supply is underneath New Orleans and from years and years of pumping it also contributed to the lowering of land.
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Posted by CSXrules4eva on Thursday, September 1, 2005 7:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by cherokee woman

Maybe we should all just get a couple of horses, and a buggy, and go back to
that kind of "horsepower". That way, we wouldn't need to pay their exhorbitant
prices for gasoline. Although, you'd have to have the extra expense for some-
one to behind the horses, to clean up after them (to satisy the environ-
mentalists).[:p][;)]


CW I agree with you on this one!! Then you wouldn't have to have insurance and you wouldn't see too many accidents happening on the road. That would be nice. Then you wouldn't have to worry about gas prices too much. Hay then maybe just maybe the prices will drop. Plus I can ride a horse really well. (English)
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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, September 1, 2005 7:24 PM
It didnt start off underwater, marsh land is very prone to subsiedance, over the years the land sinks, normally it just floods and becomes wetlands. Now you build a settlement there, the land sinks, floods, so they build a levee to keep the water out. as the years go by the land sinks a couple more inches, so they keep raising the levees. Now in addition to the settling, add silting on the riverbed, the top of the river is now flows even higher so you raise the levees again, see? Add 250 years of this and you end up with a city 20' in some places below sea level. They never imported any soil to raise the city, instead placing all thier faith in a levee system that dates back to horse and buggy days.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 7:03 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by donclark

Why would anyone build a city 7 feet under sea level? Why would anyone want to live in a flood zone?

Maybe you should ask people in Amsterdam
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 6:58 PM
Why would anyone build a city 7 feet under sea level? Why would anyone want to live in a flood zone?

No electricity, no water, no homes, no stores, no workplaces, no nothing.....Thats New Orleans today....

I live in Dallas and already we have had people from the New Orleans area drop by our place of work asking for application forms...

Why are there still people in New Orleans....didn't they get the word New Orleans was supposed to be evacuated, and after the storm didn't they get the word the city is closed?

So many need to work today to pay their upcoming hotel bills, and are searching for apartments in the Dallas area already. Most of them don't think their jobs will be there if they do rebuild New Orleans in a week, which they won't....

Literally, we have over a million refugees going from city to city looking for a new job....and home....and car......

Comparing New Orleans to Venice. In Venice they are raising the height of their city from 1 feet below sea level to 3 feet above....

Anyone in the New Orleans or Louisiana government should be thinking in the same term with New Orleans. If we the American people and government is going to spend billions upon billions rebuilding their fine city, we should rebuild it 3 feet above sea level....

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Posted by vsmith on Thursday, September 1, 2005 5:38 PM
Someone somewhere thats resposible for coordinating relief efforts has really screwed the pooch on this one, its gotten so bad in NO that the mayor has issued an SOS, literally. 4 days and still FEMA has no command and control set up, many people are still just being left to fend for themselves, is it any wonder they are now armed and mad as hell at anything in a uniform? The Nat Guard has only started to show up in any force. Maybe its just that the overall scale of this disaster completly overwhelmed FEMA, (even though this very scenerio was predicted over a year ago) but someone really needs to be fired after all this.

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Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, September 1, 2005 5:34 PM
....It is an ugly situation....and plenty of blame to go all around...so we better start pulling together to get this problem fixed and go on with a so called normal life after the fix has been accomplished. But the massive destruction, deaths, misplaced people and problems too extensive to mention is the first business at hand....Hopefully the new numbers of National Guard and equipment arriving today and others will soon start to make a difference....We Americans haven't experienced this kind of tragedy {at home}, quite this extensive for some time....Sure hope we are rising to the occasion....Has anyone heard of help being offered from over Europe and Asia yet.......?

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 5:25 PM
I hope people figure out to not rebuild in the storm surge areas, and below sea level areas. Convert the areas to parkland or something else that won't matter so much when the next hurricane hits.

By the way, the current hurricane season lasts into November.

Lastly, mankind is fooli***o think he can go toe to toe with Nature. Decades ago the Mississippi River would have changed course upriver from New Orleans, and flowed SSW to the Gulf had the Army Corp of Engineers et al not constructed dams to prevent it. This would have taken the river away from NO, and would have fouled up the economics there, but we better figure out that Nature wins in the end.

I'll get off my soapbox now.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 5:10 PM
I can see this topic turning ugly now that politics is getting rallied on.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 5:07 PM
Normal overall demand for gasoline begins to drop after the Labor Day weekend. As mentioned in above posts, refineries and east/midwest pipelines are down. The head of the American Petroleum Institute reported this yesterday (shown on CSPAN). The only inventory of gas is what's "in the pipelines". With economics, "the tail wags the dog". Cut back on non-essential driving, and slow down to help take pressure off the inventory of gas available.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 5:05 PM
Yet another catastrophe on W’s watch that he isn’t responsible for. The Army Corps of Engineers under W is responsible for flood control and every year W denied the Corps the funds they told him they needed to protect New Orleans.

New Orleans could have been protected from a category 5 hurricane for $2.5 billion according to Army Corps officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/01/national/nationalspecial/01levee.html
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 4:47 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by edbenton

Right now there are 8 refineries off line and loss of power killed the pumps that pump the gas thru said pipelines. Right now W and *** are laughing all the way to the bank. Bush is only releasing 10 mil barrels from teh SPOR ones days pumping from the gulf. He stayed on vaction 2 days after Katrina hit and still hte only way he has seen the area besides TV is he had AirForce 1 fly over the area at 5000 ft on his way home from the ranch. About 2 months ago FX showed a program named Oil Strom and right now we are feeling the effects of that movie. We are not out of the woods yet by any means. People are now shooting at teh rescue choppers in order to get out of New Orleans. Bodies are being left to rot in the streets. We can invade 2 countries half way across the world BUT WE CAN NOT TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN NATION!! Kind of screwed up priorities .[soapbox][soapbox][banghead][banghead] Sorry about ranting but we knew that sooner or later this was going to happen.


Please present all the facts in your rant. The President (not W, let's show some respect, wheter you like him or not) was going to go in and do his address from there and was told as well as figured out that it would cause a un-needed use of security and draw the true attention away form the problem. You want to make it sound like he doesn't care, or he is part of the reason the hurricane hit. Also, he lifted or had the EPA lift the blended fuel restrictions. He is only the President, he's not a dictator that says jump and we all say how high. If he has the power you suggest, then we would have privitized Social Security already. Lay the blame where it belongs, greedy corporate america and the stock holders, guess what, that's you and me, we want more money, we want lower prices. Wow, the oil reserve is actually for our military, so let's give it out for folks to go on vacation, fill cars that use more fuel then they need, let people top off their tanks. It's all about me, me, me. What happened to the us in USA???
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Posted by cherokee woman on Thursday, September 1, 2005 4:40 PM
Maybe we should all just get a couple of horses, and a buggy, and go back to
that kind of "horsepower". That way, we wouldn't need to pay their exhorbitant
prices for gasoline. Although, you'd have to have the extra expense for some-
one to behind the horses, to clean up after them (to satisy the environ-
mentalists).[:p][;)]
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Posted by ndbprr on Thursday, September 1, 2005 4:36 PM
Bush is only releasing 10 mil barrels from teh SPOR ones days pumping from the gulf.

That doesn't solve the problem because there is plenty of oil available. The problem is the refineries that are running at 98% and record levels don't have power, need to check all the equipment and pipelines 100% before running again. One poster had it right. The environmentalists have prevented every effort to become independent and drill for more oil at home. The last US refinery built was 40 years ago. You can't process more oil if enough was released to flood New orleans with oil instead of water. Uninformed political opinions are worthless. I also note that the UN that chastised our relief efforts and giving for the tsunami victims have done nothing or offered to help us in any way. A German official said we deserve this. Al Qaeda said Allah was responsible. A pox on them all. And a big pox on the corrupt Louisana and New Orleans officials who have known for years that a hurricane would inflict this kind of damage and obviously only have a one playbook solution. Blame Bush, Republicans and oil companies.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 1, 2005 4:26 PM
The Associated Press
Thursday, September 1, 2005; 5:04 PM

WASHINGTON -- It makes no sense to spend billions of dollars to rebuild a city that's seven feet under sea level, House Speaker Dennis Hastert said of federal assistance for hurricane-devastated New Orleans.

"It looks like a lot of that place could be bulldozed," the Illinois Republican said
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Posted by edbenton on Thursday, September 1, 2005 4:10 PM
Right now there are 8 refineries off line and loss of power killed the pumps that pump the gas thru said pipelines. Right now W and *** are laughing all the way to the bank. Bush is only releasing 10 mil barrels from teh SPOR ones days pumping from the gulf. He stayed on vaction 2 days after Katrina hit and still hte only way he has seen the area besides TV is he had AirForce 1 fly over the area at 5000 ft on his way home from the ranch. About 2 months ago FX showed a program named Oil Strom and right now we are feeling the effects of that movie. We are not out of the woods yet by any means. People are now shooting at teh rescue choppers in order to get out of New Orleans. Bodies are being left to rot in the streets. We can invade 2 countries half way across the world BUT WE CAN NOT TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN NATION!! Kind of screwed up priorities .[soapbox][soapbox][banghead][banghead] Sorry about ranting but we knew that sooner or later this was going to happen.
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Posted by bnsfkline on Thursday, September 1, 2005 3:56 PM
*** OIL COMPANIES!

Gas Jumped from 2.38 a gallon to 2.99 a gallon in less than 1 hour here!

OH THE HUMANITY!

Lets do what they are doing in the UK, and do a blockaid, or start a orginization

Citizans against Oil Companies. (COAC)

Lets get all the major companies like BNSF, UP, NS, CSX, Amtrak, CP, CN, TFM, FXE and FSU and all the trucking companies and LETS PROTEST!

LETS PUT A CAP ON HIGH GAS PRICES! Talk to your governers or state reps! Flood them with Mail! Lets put an end to high gas prices! They are doing INJUSTICE to the americans. We should not pay more than $1.50 a gallon at most!

1 gallon of gas - 1/2 of the current Min. Wage ($5.15 per hour)

START A REVOLUTION!

(Keeps on ranting....untill a UP cop comes and handcuffs him and is forced to work for UP)
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