-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
Originally posted by Gordon James Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:13 PM Actually a 53 ft roadrailer ways in at around 15000-17000 lbs figure on a max load of 45-46000 lbs. A 40 ft container 6-7000 lbs chassis is a around 9-10000 lbs. max load is around 42-45000 one advantage for the container is the fact that it is designed to be shipped in from overseas. Plus how heavy is a dvd player 10+ so yoo normally cube out before maxing out. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:27 PM It has been a while since I did this but I think the chassis for the container only came in about 4,400 LBs for the 40' size. [:p][:)][:o)] Originally posted by edbenton Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply arbfbe Member sinceFebruary 2002 910 posts Posted by arbfbe on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:05 PM The biggest disadvantage to the railroad operating people is they cannot fill the roadrailer train to tonnage. All that expensive horsepower wasted on a short fast train. Here are all those cars waiting in the yard for power to move them and this roadrailer goes out with one unit and no drawbar on the rear to add several thousand tons of cement or rock or lumber or intermodal. It just grates on all these old operating guys when a train leaves light. Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe The biggest disadvantage to the railroad operating people is they cannot fill the roadrailer train to tonnage. All that expensive horsepower wasted on a short fast train. Here are all those cars waiting in the yard for power to move them and this roadrailer goes out with one unit and no drawbar on the rear to add several thousand tons of cement or rock or lumber or intermodal. It just grates on all these old operating guys when a train leaves light. That was true in the early days, but not any more. RR trains can go 150 units these days, and many on NS these days are regularly >100 units. Some require two locomotives most days. -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply arbfbe Member sinceFebruary 2002 910 posts Posted by arbfbe on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:52 PM That was true in the early days, but not any more. RR trains can go 150 units these days, and many on NS these days are regularly >100 units. Some require two locomotives most days. Sure, you can now add more roadrailers but there are not usually any of those laying around the yard looking for a train out of town. There are, however, generally more that a few car loads of general freight languishing in the yard which cannot be moved account there is not enough power to get them moving. Now here is this train of 1 - 150 roadrailers and there is no way to get the junk cars added to the head end (no air connection on the hoppers for the roadrailer suspension, incompatible brake system) nor to the rear end (no drawbar). So all those operating officers who have worked their way up the ladder see the roadrailer concept as too inflexible for the (their) railroad's needs. So they want to nip it in the bud before the concept spreads and the customers start to dictate how the trains are run. Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 3:00 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe That was true in the early days, but not any more. RR trains can go 150 units these days, and many on NS these days are regularly >100 units. Some require two locomotives most days. Sure, you can now add more roadrailers but there are not usually any of those laying around the yard looking for a train out of town. There are, however, generally more that a few car loads of general freight languishing in the yard which cannot be moved account there is not enough power to get them moving. Now here is this train of 1 - 150 roadrailers and there is no way to get the junk cars added to the head end (no air connection on the hoppers for the roadrailer suspension, incompatible brake system) nor to the rear end (no drawbar). So all those operating officers who have worked their way up the ladder see the roadrailer concept as too inflexible for the (their) railroad's needs. So they want to nip it in the bud before the concept spreads and the customers start to dictate how the trains are run.
Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
Originally posted by edbenton Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply arbfbe Member sinceFebruary 2002 910 posts Posted by arbfbe on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:05 PM The biggest disadvantage to the railroad operating people is they cannot fill the roadrailer train to tonnage. All that expensive horsepower wasted on a short fast train. Here are all those cars waiting in the yard for power to move them and this roadrailer goes out with one unit and no drawbar on the rear to add several thousand tons of cement or rock or lumber or intermodal. It just grates on all these old operating guys when a train leaves light. Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 1:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe The biggest disadvantage to the railroad operating people is they cannot fill the roadrailer train to tonnage. All that expensive horsepower wasted on a short fast train. Here are all those cars waiting in the yard for power to move them and this roadrailer goes out with one unit and no drawbar on the rear to add several thousand tons of cement or rock or lumber or intermodal. It just grates on all these old operating guys when a train leaves light. That was true in the early days, but not any more. RR trains can go 150 units these days, and many on NS these days are regularly >100 units. Some require two locomotives most days. -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply arbfbe Member sinceFebruary 2002 910 posts Posted by arbfbe on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:52 PM That was true in the early days, but not any more. RR trains can go 150 units these days, and many on NS these days are regularly >100 units. Some require two locomotives most days.
QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe The biggest disadvantage to the railroad operating people is they cannot fill the roadrailer train to tonnage. All that expensive horsepower wasted on a short fast train. Here are all those cars waiting in the yard for power to move them and this roadrailer goes out with one unit and no drawbar on the rear to add several thousand tons of cement or rock or lumber or intermodal. It just grates on all these old operating guys when a train leaves light.
QUOTE: Originally posted by arbfbe That was true in the early days, but not any more. RR trains can go 150 units these days, and many on NS these days are regularly >100 units. Some require two locomotives most days.
Quentin
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jordan6 Having never worked with roadrailer cars I'm not quite sure how they work but, imagine if you had a roadrailer train and one of the trucks had a hot box or some other mechanical error. I guess you'd have to set the WHOLE train out instead of one car, right?
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFGP38 Just remember the biggest con............trailers dont go on ships!!!!!!!! So when a company orders them, they already come with a 1/3 handicap.
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
QUOTE: Originally posted by goat Yes but if the RRs are coupled at the end of a regular train and the slack should run in or out hard that would surely affect the RRs.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...The suggestion of using DPU with a RR train would make me wonder if that proceedure would be permitted....Having the "light" rail cars {tailers}, making up the consist....I simply don't know if that's done....and yes as I've mentioned above, the RR train through here does us 2 engines when it has a long consist of cars...{trailers}....
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