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Way back when Joe Mcarthy was a Senentor (Red Scare) Was Kalmbach Affected at all?

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Way back when Joe Mcarthy was a Senentor (Red Scare) Was Kalmbach Affected at all?
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 19, 2005 6:31 PM
And did Mr Kalmbach Support Joe Macarthy? Or Disavaw? Or Ignore?
What will history say?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 19, 2005 6:42 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Peterson6868

And did Mr Kalmbach Support Joe Macarthy? Or Disavaw? Or Ignore?
What will history say?


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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 19, 2005 7:25 PM
As one who lived through that time, I don't remember McCarthy ever speaking of RRs. He was too busy rooting out the evil commies from Hollywood, State Dept, etc.
The early Trains Mags were very non-political, mostly following the AAR party line.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 19, 2005 7:27 PM
Why do you ask?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:30 PM
What the hell does it matter?

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Posted by JERRYatRPO on Saturday, August 20, 2005 3:56 PM
You need to get a life!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:14 PM
Is this another off topic joke?
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Posted by Junctionfan on Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:15 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Peterson6868

And did Mr Kalmbach Support Joe Macarthy? Or Disavaw? Or Ignore?
What will history say?


Bored huh?
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Posted by chad thomas on Saturday, August 20, 2005 9:57 PM
Peterson....step away from the medicine cabinet and drop whats in your hand.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 21, 2005 12:36 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Peterson6868

And did Mr Kalmbach Support Joe Macarthy? Or Disavaw? Or Ignore?
What will history say?


I think it was during the McCarthy era that America produced it's first shackle box cars.
Perhaps it was Kalmbach who first exposed the story?

I heard a rumor once that Budd, seeing the handwriting on the wall for passenger travel, was working on a plan to steal the government's shackle boxcar business with a new design that put people in metal cans (stainless steel, of course) 6 at a time, just like sardines, and stacking the filled containers inside specially modified auto racks. Giving rise to the term 'high density corridor'...[8]
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Posted by dknelson on Sunday, August 21, 2005 10:44 PM
Al Kalmbach was a lifelong friend of Frank Ziedler, who in addition to being a charter subscriber of MR the magazine and I think a charter member of the NMRA, was the long time mayor of Milwaukee Wisconsin and a lifelong member of the Socialist Party. (Milwaukee had Socialist Party mayors for about 50 years, 1910 to 1960 if memory serves).
Mayor Ziedler is, as of this writing, still alive and active in his 90s and whenever MR has a major anniversary Ziedler pens a brief memoire of his old friend Al Kalmbach. But to my knowledge they were friends on the basis of trains and model trains, not necessarily politics. Nonetheless if Sen McCarthy was anti Socialist and anti Frank Ziedler, and I would have to suppose he was, then I imagine he might have regarded Al Kalmbach as part of Ziedler's circle and hence no friend of his And likewise it is hard to imagine Al Kalmbach supporting a Senator who would have been so vehemently critical of his old friend Ziedler.
But I am utterly unaware of anything involving McCarthy and Kalmbach the man or Kalmbach publishing ever appearing in print. Nor do I recall any editorials or other discussions in old MR or Trains magazines from back when Kalmbach himself had a say in the editorial content that were really political in any manner. Linn Westcott would write an editorial now and then that was mildly free enterprise oriented but hardly doctrinaire. Trains had a sometimes interesting, sometimes tiresome columnist named John Knieling (spelling?) who was so vehemently anti union as to almost become incoherent. His columns were very controversial at the time (1960s to 70s).
Now and again there would be speculations in MR about what kind of model railroading was being done back in the USSR or Czechoslovakia or Poland, and back in McCarthy's day that might have been enough to arouse some suspicions believe it or not. And of course there were real harsh letters when MR published plans of the little railroad station that was Jimmy Carter's campaign headquarters. But wisely MR and Trains and Kalmbach -- and thanks to Bergie, this Forum -- have stayed pretty much away from politics except as it directly affects the issues at hand.
Off topic. When I was a kid we had a neighbor who was in the telephone and electronics business. He told my dad this story. Back in WWII he learned that some workers in the plant were trying to steal some designs for some electronic items that had a war use, and those workers were members of a labor union that as it turned out really did have avowed communist -- meaning Moscow -- loyalties and funding. My neighbor later mentioned this to a man he met who was a small time judge in central Wisconsin. And that man became Sen Joe McCarthy -- our neighbor wondered if what he had told Judge McCarthy had been the spark that started McCarthy off on his anti communist conspiracy thing.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 12:12 PM
Thank You...Sen Joe Mcarthy of Wisconsin(Also of course were Kalmbach is based) came up in the news again. So I wanted to know the connection if any.
I know that the Millwakie roads electrics where named little joes but that was after Joe Stalin not Joe Mcarthy
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Posted by dharmon on Monday, August 22, 2005 1:13 PM
NUTS!
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Posted by vsmith on Monday, August 22, 2005 4:26 PM
Hehehehehe

Not one but two major leaders in model railroading associated with Socialism? Hehehehee

I'm smirking quite contently to myself, this after being told oh so many years ago by a local model railroading group that I wasnt allowed to be a model railroader unless I belonged to a certain non-socialist political party. I thought they were insane and have been a happy Lone Wolf modeler ever since, as I havent found any other Commie Pinko Model RR's in my nieghborhood to share with, Hheheheheheeeee

Vic the Happy Bolshevik[:p][;)][:D][8D]

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Posted by Junctionfan on Monday, August 22, 2005 5:42 PM
If you make your passenger trains run on time, you must also be a fascist....[:D]
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Posted by vsmith on Monday, August 22, 2005 6:30 PM
Your assuming I can GET my passenger trains to even run[B)][:D][}:)][;)][censored][D)][(-D][:-,]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 22, 2005 7:02 PM
If they don't run, they're not late, right? It works.
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Posted by Junctionfan on Monday, August 22, 2005 7:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

Your assuming I can GET my passenger trains to even run[B)][:D][}:)][;)][censored][D)][(-D][:-,]


At least you have a layout.[:(] Mine's not finnished yet.
Andrew

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