Originally posted by BNSF railfan. [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, August 7, 2005 7:37 AM Why not just SF? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Sunday, August 7, 2005 7:51 AM Burlington Northern was not that well run. Matt Rose is in charge and he came from Santa Fe. (And before that SP). The Santa Fe name is a lot better known. Dale Reply owlsroost Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Cambridge, UK 419 posts Posted by owlsroost on Sunday, August 7, 2005 8:02 AM ....and shouldn't you be pining for the CB&Q anyway, living in Nebraska ? [:)] Tony Reply wctransfer Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: New Brighton, Minnesota 1,493 posts Posted by wctransfer on Sunday, August 7, 2005 9:14 AM Well, a lot of workers still call it the BN, so it doesnt get out of peoples mind quickly. Alec Check out my pics! [url="http://wctransfer.rrpicturearchives.net/"] http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?userid=8714 Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 7, 2005 9:25 AM I still call it the Santa fe i Hate BNSF!!!!!!!! Reply Edit Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,569 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, August 7, 2005 9:34 AM Around here It's always been call simply The Burlington. Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,096 posts Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, August 7, 2005 10:04 AM The AT&SF was the better known of the two railroads nationally, Movie Stars rode the Super Chief Chico Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Sunday, August 7, 2005 10:08 AM Lots of folks here in Aurora, IL still call our road "The Q" Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 7, 2005 2:00 PM Ok im all [%-)]. This person calls the Burlington. And that person calls it the ATSF. And another calls it the BN. [%-)] Allan. Reply Edit nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Sunday, August 7, 2005 2:34 PM Those other railroads earned their name recognition when people rode their trains. BN only had passenger trains for a year, and they used GN, NP and CB&Q equipment. Dale Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 7, 2005 3:30 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding Why not just SF? Actually, BS (Burlington Santafe) would have been more appropriate on so many levels. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 7, 2005 4:24 PM How about American Pacific? They could keep that name if any (yuck) transcontinental mergers come to pass. Reply Edit SchemerBob Member sinceJuly 2005 From: Northeast Missouri 869 posts Posted by SchemerBob on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:11 AM I'm sorry, but I think they were wise with the BNSF name. I mean, the railroad name "SANTA FE" is world famous...it would be very stupid if they left that off. In the same sense, if they left off Burlington Northern, that name would be lost, when a lot of history is behind that name as well... Long live the BNSF .... AND its paint scheme. SchemerBob Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:28 AM Nanaimo, where do you get your info that the BN was poorly run? The BN had deeper pockets than the Santa Fe at merger time. Matt Rose isn't some great power. He was Kreb's protoge. The SantaFe was skimping on loco maint and road maint as well. The BN is known for slow heave freight and the SantaFe for its pigs. One coal train generated more revenue than one intermodal. Reply Edit jeaton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Rockton, IL 4,821 posts Posted by jeaton on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:31 AM I was asked if just BN would OK and my reply was absolutely not!!!. Therefore BNSF. "We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics Reply BurlingtonJohn Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 131 posts Posted by BurlingtonJohn on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:37 AM Here in northeast Missouri, the old hats still call it the Burlington ... shoulda been around right after the merger with the Frisco. If you wanted to get somebody ticked off in short order, all you had to do was call it the 'Frisco Northern'. Always enjoyed getting my Santa Fe buddies wound up by reminding them that the first word in railroading (at least in their area) is Burlington! Regards, Burlington John THE site for American Freedom Train fans http://www.freedomtrain.org Reply BurlingtonJohn Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 131 posts Posted by BurlingtonJohn on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:41 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Ok im all [%-)]. This person calls the Burlington. And that person calls it the ATSF. And another calls it the BN. [%-)] Allan. Reminds me of a bit from a Jeff Foxworthy album ... "whenever you say something, it depends on what part of the country you are in as to just how dumb you are!" Regards, Burlington John [8D] THE site for American Freedom Train fans http://www.freedomtrain.org Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:44 AM BNSF= Been Nothing Since Frisco.....like that John? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:57 AM Why not SFBN? I mean, if they did that first, we would think it sounds OK and it would be programmed into our minds like BNSF is [:I][:p] Reply Edit nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Monday, August 8, 2005 9:58 AM Ironken, In the late 1970s and into the 1980s BN hauled a lot of coal and did not profit by it, because management set the rates too low to pay for the investment required. BN's operating ratio in the 1980s and into the 1990s was noticeably higher than Union Pacific's. They kept changing the way they ran things, much like CSX has been doing over the last several years. It seems to me BN had more fights with their employees than other roads. They tried to use their Winona Bridge Company to run Chicago-Seattle trains.Selling (or leasing) the Montana lines to Montana Rail Link was a mistake, and they have tried to buy it back. Closing the SP&S north of Pasco was another mistake. Since Matt Rose came on board the tables have been reversed. BNSF is better run than Union Pacific. I do not know if BNSF would be in better or worse shape today if he had gone somewhere else. He did not make the big decision to buy all of those SD70MACs, perhaps the best move Burlington Northern ever made. Dale Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 8, 2005 10:27 AM Wow. Point well made...... Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 8, 2005 10:32 AM BNSF is like a train. B..N..S..F. If they hook up with NS, no changes in the consist will be necessary. Wi***hey would have one engine in the Warbonnet, one in Chinese Red, and one in Blue Sky for the fans, though. Reply Edit coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Monday, August 8, 2005 12:49 PM Ask any old head who worked for the BN and the BNSF. They say they worked for the BN and refer to the BNSF as the BN. Me personally, I refer to the BNSF as the Burlingtion Great Northern Pacific Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding Why not just SF?
"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo Possum "We have met the anemone... and he is Russ." Bucky Katt "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future." Niels Bohr, Nobel laureate in physics
THE site for American Freedom Train fans http://www.freedomtrain.org
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Ok im all [%-)]. This person calls the Burlington. And that person calls it the ATSF. And another calls it the BN. [%-)] Allan.
Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..."
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