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Posted by eolafan on Friday, July 18, 2003 5:09 PM
Oh boy, I leave town for a few days in the hope that Missouri would just dry up and go away, but no such luck! Hey, genius, did you forget that trains were here WAY before cars or trucks and so anybody who deliberatly crosses a track when gates are down and does not take the simplest of precautions deserves to be hit by the train coming down the track at them. Now, the really big question is "what in he_ _ do you do for a living that you can sit by your computer all day long and type all the rediculous cr _ _ you put on this forum. By the way Missouri, have you noticed yet that you are not changing a single mind on these issues and so are completely wasting your time here...so let me ask you this, WHY DON'T YOU SIMPLY STOP THIS DRIBBLE AND GO ONTO A PORN SITE WHERE THEY APPRECIATE NUTS LIKE YOU?
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Posted by dekemd on Friday, July 18, 2003 8:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by sooblue

Who said "you can't find a cop when you need him"?
What % of all accidents are unnecessary Derrick?
(off the top of your head)



sooblue,

I must apologize. My reply to you seems to have not made it to the forum. Lost in the electronic void I guess.

To answer your question, I'm sure of an actual % but a good majority of them. There are some accidents that are beyond the control of a driver. Sudden medical troubles, (heart attacks), blowouts, other mechanical problems, animals running into the road, etc. Most accidents, however, are caused by impatient drivers, or just plain stupidty. Not that everyone who has an accident is stupid, it's just that for one reason or another they just are not thinking about what they are doing.

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Posted by dekemd on Friday, July 18, 2003 9:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by missouri
So your saying a cop useing a police radio while driveing is breaking the law?
About the first rule in the MUTCD is that the traffic control device has to DEMAND attention. Apparently it didn't do its job and maybe some advance flashing red lights should be installed. Light the area up like a Christmas tree if need be. No wonder 42,000 people were killed last year on the highways.


Using a police radio while driving in not against the law. Using a cell phone while driving is not against the law, at least not in NC (It is in some areas). Running a red light IS against the law. That is what she was charged with on the ticket, and why the accident was her fault. The light did it's job for everybody else that day. Why is it that you can't accept the fact that sometimes people just don't pay attention and cause an accident?

How do you explain the guy in California that drove through 3 blocks of pedestrians in broad daylight? The only thing blocking his sight was the bodies bouncing off the hood of his car. My thoughts and prayers go out to these people.
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Posted by dekemd on Friday, July 18, 2003 9:17 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by missouri
I look at it as the railroads either do it or go to jail for negligient homicide like any other business owner. It's their trains. Like these politicans who didn't do their jobs to start with standing around getting medals for getting the kids killed to start with. Then the low life railroads comeing in and chargeing 1/4 a million when the gates can be bought for 40K all day long.



Yes, it's the railroads train. The motor vehicle belongs the driver. Why not charge the driver of the car with negligent homicide? The driver was negligent in not yielding right of way.

You like to copy and paste, here's one for you.

NS Collision with Log Truck Kills Driver, Slightly Injures Crew

The driver of a logging truck was killed Tuesday when he pulled into the path of a freight train at a remote crossing on a private road in southern Charlton County, Georgia, authorities said. Both crewmen aboard the Norfolk Southern train consisting of two locomotives pulling 60 cars sustained minor injuries in the collision, said Trooper 1st Class Chad Woods of the Georgia State Patrol, lead investigator in the accident.

The truck driver died about 08:00 EDT at the scene of the collision, a railroad crossing on Rayonier Road No. 25 between Moniac and St. George, Woods said. The train didn't derail, although its locomotives received major damage.

Its crew, Robert Brantley, 47, of Jacksonville, and Ronald Wayne, 56, of Valdosta, said they felt some pain but had no visible injuries, Woods said.

Woods a 1988 Peterbuilt tractor-trailer loaded with logs was northbound when it came to the crossing, which is marked with warning crossbars. The train was traveling west about 45 mph along a section of tracks where the rail speed limit is 50 mph.

"The truck failed to yield at the crossing and pulled into the path of the oncoming train. The train hit the truck in the middle of the crossing," Woods said. The truck was torn in half by the collision. The driver was trapped inside the cab, which overturned and was drug about 70 feet along the track.

Two things I want to point out:

...said Trooper 1st Class Chad Woods of the Georgia State Patrol, lead investigator in the accident.

No mention of the railroad leading the investigation.

and:

"The truck failed to yield at the crossing and pulled into the path of the oncoming train. ...," Woods said.

"Trains have the right of way at crossings. It is the responsibility of the motorist to make sure no train is coming. If it cannot be easily determined that a train is not coming, the driver must come to a stop until it can be determined that it is safe to cross. " This last paragraph is a quote from a Superior court judge that I spoke with earlier today.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 10:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dekemd

QUOTE: Originally posted by missouri
I look at it as the railroads either do it or go to jail for negligient homicide like any other business owner. It's their trains. Like these politicans who didn't do their jobs to start with standing around getting medals for getting the kids killed to start with. Then the low life railroads comeing in and chargeing 1/4 a million when the gates can be bought for 40K all day long.



Yes, it's the railroads train. The motor vehicle belongs the driver. Why not charge the driver of the car with negligent homicide? The driver was negligent in not yielding right of way.

You like to copy and paste, here's one for you.

NS Collision with Log Truck Kills Driver, Slightly Injures Crew

The driver of a logging truck was killed Tuesday when he pulled into the path of a freight train at a remote crossing on a private road in southern Charlton County, Georgia, authorities said. Both crewmen aboard the Norfolk Southern train consisting of two locomotives pulling 60 cars sustained minor injuries in the collision, said Trooper 1st Class Chad Woods of the Georgia State Patrol, lead investigator in the accident.

The truck driver died about 08:00 EDT at the scene of the collision, a railroad crossing on Rayonier Road No. 25 between Moniac and St. George, Woods said. The train didn't derail, although its locomotives received major damage.

Its crew, Robert Brantley, 47, of Jacksonville, and Ronald Wayne, 56, of Valdosta, said they felt some pain but had no visible injuries, Woods said.

Woods a 1988 Peterbuilt tractor-trailer loaded with logs was northbound when it came to the crossing, which is marked with warning crossbars. The train was traveling west about 45 mph along a section of tracks where the rail speed limit is 50 mph.

"The truck failed to yield at the crossing and pulled into the path of the oncoming train. The train hit the truck in the middle of the crossing," Woods said. The truck was torn in half by the collision. The driver was trapped inside the cab, which overturned and was drug about 70 feet along the track.

Two things I want to point out:

...said Trooper 1st Class Chad Woods of the Georgia State Patrol, lead investigator in the accident.

No mention of the railroad leading the investigation.

and:

"The truck failed to yield at the crossing and pulled into the path of the oncoming train. ...," Woods said.

"Trains have the right of way at crossings. It is the responsibility of the motorist to make sure no train is coming. If it cannot be easily determined that a train is not coming, the driver must come to a stop until it can be determined that it is safe to cross. " This last paragraph is a quote from a Superior court judge that I spoke with earlier today.

Derrick

Ask your Superior court judge if a driver needs a drivers lisence on "PRIVATE" property ? ..."on a private road"... Ask him if state drivers statutes can then apply? There is no law saying there has to be any sign at a "private" railroad crossing. The 4th grade educated railroad guy that placed the signs there has no degree in traffic engineering and has no business placeing signs there. The sign has no LEGAL meaning. Then here is the kicker ---Ask him if the railroad doesn't have the common law duty to have the train seen or heard by the driver is time to stop?? Remember no whistles at private crossings and ...
GEORGIA
Georgia has no applicable statute. http://www.fra.dot.gov/pdf/cross_chp12.pdf So I'll look for you to press negligient homicide charges against the county, state, FRA, railroad, and politicans for haveing a death trap "laying in wait" for the truckdriver who was caught in the blind crossing with no whistles, lights, gates, or flagger to give warning.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 18, 2003 11:34 PM
http://www.nbc11.com/news/2333826/detail.html

I "stopped looked and the train wasn't there".

The last line in the video "Will not be cited because this is private property"
This was the bleach truck. The corn truck was hit in Nebraska, the tomato truck in California, ummm the Ice truck was hit in S.C. All is needed is the bull truck for the train crash barbacue this week.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:07 AM
Missouri,
What does a private road or property have to do with
it? It still comes down to personal responsibility and the proper oper-
ation of a motor vehicle. Personal responsibility what a concept.
Perhaps you life would be better if you just admitted
that you hate railroads.Really sad because hate only consumes the
hater.
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Posted by dekemd on Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:14 AM
I'll ask him when I see him. From my knowledge of the laws, it would depend on just how private the road is. If it is open to public traffic, as in not gated or posted no trespassing, then it would probably be considered a public vehicular area and motor vehicles laws would apply. For example, a Walmart parking lot is on private property, but you can be charged with traffic offenses when driving in the lot. That's how the law is in NC.

You say the railroad did not have to and shouldn't have put the crossing signs up. Seems to me that they were trying to improve crossing safety. And you fault them for it. Kind of goes against everything you've said about the railroads.

Does the driver of the truck not have a common law duty to make sure there is not a train coming before going across the crossing?

Where in the article about the GA accident does it say it was a blind crossing?
You say GA has no applicable laws, and post a link to an FRA document on vegetation clearances. No where in the article does it say that vegetation contributed to the accident, so where did you get that it did?

I'm not going to press any charges against anyone in GA. I'm in NC and I don't have jurisdiction there.

In regarding the bleach truck accident, maybe the A-pillar on the truck blocked his view of the train. I guess that the government should be held responsible for not requiring truck manufacturers to make transparent A-pillars. Does that sound about right to you?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 1:21 AM
Please spay and neuter your PESTS! Looks like someone forgot to sterilize whatever produced Missouri. I hope that this shitbag is sterile as not to procreate and contaminate this world with anymore like heshe!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 2:23 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dekemd

I'll ask him when I see him. From my knowledge of the laws, it would depend on just how private the road is. If it is open to public traffic, as in not gated or posted no trespassing, then it would probably be considered a public vehicular area and motor vehicles laws would apply. For example, a Walmart parking lot is on private property, but you can be charged with traffic offenses when driving in the lot. That's how the law is in NC.

You say the railroad did not have to and shouldn't have put the crossing signs up. Seems to me that they were trying to improve crossing safety. And you fault them for it. Kind of goes against everything you've said about the railroads.

Does the driver of the truck not have a common law duty to make sure there is not a train coming before going across the crossing?

Where in the article about the GA accident does it say it was a blind crossing?
You say GA has no applicable laws, and post a link to an FRA document on vegetation clearances. No where in the article does it say that vegetation contributed to the accident, so where did you get that it did?

I'm not going to press any charges against anyone in GA. I'm in NC and I don't have jurisdiction there.

In regarding the bleach truck accident, maybe the A-pillar on the truck blocked his view of the train. I guess that the government should be held responsible for not requiring truck manufacturers to make transparent A-pillars. Does that sound about right to you?
I thought you went to a railroad brainwashing collision crash investigation course. There are four classes of private crossings. Name them.

As for Wal-Mart half the transportation budget goes to redoing the roads, signals, etc... up to their front door which is usually city streets. $64 billion they have in the bank and we are paveing their parking lots, traffic lights, etc... and the roads two miles every direction.

There isn't a crossing in the US hardly with the right sight lines for crossbucks where are the police writeing the tickets? When was the last time you ticketed a train for speeding---Do you even know the train speed limits through your patrol area to check sight lines at crossings?

As for the chlorine truck the railroad probably clear cut the area as soon as it happened---moved the tanker cars etc... sitting there. Isn't that tampering with evidence. They do it all the time!! Oh we killed somebody well hurry and bring the dozers in before the videos are taken.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 5:03 AM
I am geting dumber by reading this post! The only thing Ive realy learned is Im surounded by IDIOTS...and even worst...they can justify it!!!!
(Iceman hoping in fustration)->IGGG!!!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:10 AM
Hmm.

Here is what my seven year old daughter had to say about this:

Railroads aren't bad. Sometimes cars don't listen to the railroad gates and go on the tracks and people get killed. Because trains take awhile to stop and that's why cars have to stop.
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Posted by bfsfabs on Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:22 AM
"From the mouths of children"
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Posted by edblysard on Saturday, July 19, 2003 12:34 PM
Proof that wisdom has no age limit.
QUOTE: Originally posted by David Voss

Hmm.

Here is what my seven year old daughter had to say about this:

Railroads aren't bad. Sometimes cars don't listen to the railroad gates and go on the tracks and people get killed. Because trains take awhile to stop and that's why cars have to stop.

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Posted by JoeKoh on Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:41 PM
matt says whoa daddy at every railroad crossing!
stay safe
joe

Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener").

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:43 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by David Voss

Hmm.

Here is what my seven year old daughter had to say about this:

Railroads aren't bad. Sometimes cars don't listen to the railroad gates and go on the tracks and people get killed. Because trains take awhile to stop and that's why cars have to stop.
Here's what my kid had to say. Lionel had a commemorative century clock a couple years ago with the little train going around and the ad said authentic. My 14 year old said "Where's all the f*&%$# smashed up car parts if its authentic?"
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Posted by JoeKoh on Saturday, July 19, 2003 10:50 PM
mr.pines please leave.
joe

Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener").

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 19, 2003 11:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by missouri2
My 14 year old said "Where's all the f*&%$# smashed up car parts if its authentic?"

For some reason I doubt a normal 14 year old would have said that.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 20, 2003 1:40 AM
To answer your 14 year old kid's question, "where are all of the smashed up car parts?" well, that's easy. They're up your ***, Missouri.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:09 PM
I would like to comment on rail crossing saftey. I've worked for one of the major carriers in this country for many years in the transportation department. (Over 25 but slightly less than 30). I have read many of the posts on here concerning who is at fault the majority of the time. Fault dosen't matter to me because fault usually comes after the fact and it gives me no satisfaction whatsoever to say that someone I have wiped out on a crossing was at fault. Facts do matter to me. And the fact is that we are killing and injuring a lot of people with our trains in this country. The numbers show it. For every crossing accident there are many, many close calls. TOO many. Tell me I am wrong and I'll hush...I had a VERY close call just today. I usually have several per week and I am quite sure many of you other railroaders do too. Sure, people aren't always alert all of the time. Thats the nature of the beast and NOTHING is going to change that fact ever. ARE YOU always alert all the time? Have you ever caught yourself crossing the tracks in your automobile and not paying proper "heads-up" attention? Doing that just one time in the right situitation can be deadly. The next person we hit with our train could possibly be our own wife, child, or some other loved one who suffered a mere moment of inattentiveness. How much satisfaction will "who's fault it is" give to you in that event? What is it going to change? NOTHING. It is more cost effective for the railroads to take the avenue of ignorance and let someone else carry the ball for them. Therefore thats what they do and will continue to do until it is more cost effective for them not to....write your congressmen or anyone else that might help! It's all of our responsibilities, not just the railroad's, to find a solution. Our railroads reside in this country just like the general population does, and there goes with that a certain amount of responsibility, or there should...These highway crossings can be made far safer than they currently are. There's really no valid excuse not to do it. I'd would love to see all of them made virtually "idiot proof". EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM! Just think for a moment at how nice it would be to go to work and not have to worry so much about hitting someone on a crossing.

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