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Posted by owlsroost on Monday, July 18, 2005 1:50 PM
QUOTE: We took the Southwest Chief east bound from LA to Chicago 2 years ago. I did not observe any delays from UP feight trains. In fact, we arrived in Chicago ON TIME.


Probably because it's an all BNSF route - ex AT&SF from LA to just west of Galesburg, then ex CB&Q to Chicago (nice run too, although the only time I've been the whole distance was pre-BNSF, so it was AT&SF routing all the way to Chicago)

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Posted by BNSF4ever on Monday, July 18, 2005 1:37 PM
Yes facts. If I saw one or two freights at a standstill I might not think much of it. But I saw this time and again.

UP has no incentive for giving Amtrak higher priority.

However, Amtrak was formed at a time when the government still regulated the railroads. I am surprised that some language was not put in the National Rail Passenger Act that guaranteed Amtrak priority. What was in it for the railroads? Those that joined Amtrak (for a fee, yes), were immediately freed from money losing passenger trains.

Again, we're not talking a huge number of passenger trains. But the act is written, what's done is done and it appears Amtrak's western intercity trains are at the mercy of the freight railroads.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 18, 2005 1:14 PM
Why should UP give Amtrak the top priority, if they make more money running freights than running Amtrak. This is why they cut passenger service in the first place, now you want to force them to lose money. Now if Amtrack had a better inscentive ($$$).
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 18, 2005 8:02 AM
I can only speak from my experience. My wife and I took the empire builder last month from Milwaukee to Seattle (and back). It was my observation that BNSF put most of their freights in the siding for us both ways. The only exception to that was when we were near Seattle, where we had to wait for a couple of freights to clear the station area.

On the CPRail portion of the trip, I observed freight trains wating in sidings for #8 to pass.

We took the Southwest Chief east bound from LA to Chicago 2 years ago. I did not observe any delays from UP feight trains. In fact, we arrived in Chicago ON TIME.

I have read all the horror stories about late trains, and I guess I've been lucky.
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Posted by spbed on Monday, July 18, 2005 6:23 AM
Do you know what your posted is FACT or is that just your assumptions[?][?][?]


Originally posted by BNSF4ever

Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR  Austin TX Sub

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Posted by ericsp on Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:52 PM
I think that UP's top priority right now is reducing the congestion.

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Posted by joegreen on Sunday, July 17, 2005 6:49 PM
Well thats UP for ya.;)

A year ago when they were replacing the CP bridge in Lacrosse CP rerouted its Amtrak trains on the BNSF........BNSF parked all the freights,stack trains,Z-trains on the sidings while the Amtrak trains just flew by.

I thought that was nice since the trains were reroute trains.I've seen other railroads just side all the reroute trains for hours to let their own trains by first...........selfish,selfish,selfish;)
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BNSF vs UP
Posted by BNSF4ever on Sunday, July 17, 2005 5:57 PM
Not wanting to annoy the UP fans who were graciousness enough to post to my UP topic, I present these facts. Fair or unfair, it contributes to public perception. Perhaps, as some on this forum have said, that public opinion of a railroad doesn't matter (I disagree but that's another topic).

I took Amtrak California #714 from Oakland to Bakersfield yesterday and when we got onto BNSF tracks I began noticing a curious phenomenon: BNSF freights at a standstill. It then dawned on me that they were taking a siding for us. We must have passed eight BNSF freights that were pulled over for us. The only time we took a siding or came to a stop was for #11 at Martinez or two northbound San Joaquins.

Returning same day on #703 to Sacramento, this string of luck began to fizzle. I still saw BNSF freights taking a siding for us, but two times we took a siding for them.

As soon as we reached Stockton, our Conductor came over the intercom:

"Folks we have left the BNSF Railway and are now on Union Pacific (pause) Hoo-wee! We're now having to wait for a freight ahead uf us."

I was surprised to hear the Conductor take a dig at UP (most probably did not understand). As I got off in Stockton, I asked him whether my eyes were correct: that BNSF had given us priority and that as soon as we entered UP track, we were shunted aside.

The Conductor's friendly face hardened a bit--almost as if he had remembered some Amtrak California memo ("Please do not criticize Union Pacific to passengers, that does not help things."').

"Sometimes" he answered to both of my questions.

Imagine if all Class Is gave Amtrak's intercity trains (not many in the grand scheme) priority. As Louis Armstrong sang "What a wonderful world this would be..."

PS--Side note, it was GLORIOUS to be on BNSF track with Warbonnets, Yellowbonnets, Cascade Green, Heritage I, Heritage II, NS run-throughs, ex-LMX, and Montana Rail Link all in evidence.

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