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Originally posted by TheAntiGates [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, June 24, 2005 2:15 PM I am partial to the T-1, so I would like to believe that. However, didn't the Hiawatha hold the record? I am told that she regularly did well beyond her speedometer. which was 125 mph. Gabe P.S. Did anyone hear of the story where a switcher helped pu***he Hiawatha out of the station (as the Hiawatha's big drivers didn't make them the greatest starters in the world) and the switcher couldn't uncouple. The report was at a crossing tower that they could tell the crew's faces were green as the Hiawatha went by at 100mph+. Gabe Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 24, 2005 2:36 PM I heard that too Gabe. That story is somewhere here on the forums. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 24, 2005 3:05 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe I am partial to the T-1, so I would like to believe that. However, didn't the Hiawatha hold the record? I am told that she regularly did well beyond her speedometer. which was 125 mph. Gabe P.S. Did anyone hear of the story where a switcher helped pu***he Hiawatha out of the station (as the Hiawatha's big drivers didn't make them the greatest starters in the world) and the switcher couldn't uncouple. The report was at a crossing tower that they could tell the crew's faces were green as the Hiawatha went by at 100mph+. Gabe I've heard that story too, it always gives me a good laugh. Those little yard engines weren't meant for passenger speeds, I can only imagine what it was like being pulled along at 100MPH+. Bumpy I'm sure to say the least. Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, June 24, 2005 3:17 PM That story reminds me of this one time....I broke down one night on I5 just north of corning. I had a friend of mine tow me off the highway with a chain. He gets us out on the road and procedes to crank it up WAY faster than he should have. I tried to slow us down with my brakes but with no power assist I couldn't do it. I had to just go with it. So there I am being towed at like 75 down the interstate praying nothing went wrong. I imagine I had the same look on my face as those guys in the loco. We made it alright but I almost kicked his --- over it. Reply txhighballer Member sinceJuly 2003 109 posts Posted by txhighballer on Friday, June 24, 2005 3:37 PM In regular service,the ATSF 2900's were hard to beat ,from what I have been told. My uncle was called as head brakeman on the 2925 sometime after the war on a cattle train. He realized they were going pretty fast so he got up( a very hard thing to do at speed) and went over to the engineers' side of the cab. The speedometer was bouncing around between 110 and 120MPH! Growing up I heard several stories of the 2900's being able to run like greased lightning! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 24, 2005 3:47 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The Mallard in Britan did between 125/130 MPH[:o)][:p][:D] Originally posted by TheAntiGates [ According to the History Channel today, the record is 126.9 by an English Mallard. At first I thought they said "Mallet" and I was like N.F.W!!, but then I saw they were talking about mallards Reply Edit Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Friday, June 24, 2005 3:54 PM Mallard is the name of the locomotive,, it's an A4 class Pacific designed by Nigel griesly. The official word record is 126mph,, everything else is just hearsay, sour grapes and attemped one upmanship. If your T1 went that fast why isn't it in the record book?? Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, June 24, 2005 4:03 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Mallard is the name of the locomotive,, it's an A4 class Pacific designed by Nigel griesly. The official word record is 126mph,, everything else is just hearsay, sour grapes and attemped one upmanship. If your T1 went that fast why isn't it in the record book?? I had a rather pithy—bordering on invective—response to your need to play national one upsmanship with my beloved T-1. However, as I am humbled by the sacrifice and dignity expressed by Briti***roops fighting along side American troops in Iraq (and embarrassed by the fact that our country hasn’t nationally recognized that fact), I will just keep it to myself and allow you to bask in the triumphs of the A4. Gabe . . . Hawkins. Reply txhighballer Member sinceJuly 2003 109 posts Posted by txhighballer on Friday, June 24, 2005 4:25 PM There is no doubt that the Mallard holds the "official" record,and we are glad that she is still with us today. Even though the locomotive almost stripped herself to set the record,her place in history is secured. The bottom line in these conversations is that there were many fast runs with fast locomotives..and most likely many of these runs were make with a "wink" from the road foreman.... Reply selector Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: Vancouver Island, BC 23,330 posts Posted by selector on Friday, June 24, 2005 4:56 PM I believe the record for the CPR was accomplished with a 4-4-4, and it was around 118. Not too shabby. Still, I wonder if, early one starry morning, somewhere out on the pairies, in either country, the two fellas looked at one another, one eyebrow arched slightly, and a half-smirk was exchanged. A slight nod, the Man reached for the cut-off and the regulator, and...well, somebody had to hear about it later. Reply TH&B Member sinceJuly 2003 964 posts Posted by TH&B on Friday, June 24, 2005 7:28 PM Speed recordings of "steam days" could be rayther inacurate, and therefore often exagetated and unprovable. The fastest steam engine in service today, excursion survice that is, is a German 4-8-4. It can run 100+ mph today. The A4 does officially hold the record. but it was down hill running, the Germans officialy have the second fastest wich is one mph slower but it wasn't down hill. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, June 24, 2005 7:53 PM ...Plenty of fast runs were made at various locations and as for which is the "official" record....is questionable...How and what made a certain run official. Believe we as a group have cited many instances that runs with steam engines pulling revenue cars did make some extraordinary speeds. Some just off the cuff as a spur of the moment tries.....and others a planned speed run of some sort but to banner it back and forth of which was the most speedy....and how is it proved of what was done now is wide open to question. From what I have read and heard in conversation my guess for what speed might have been turned would be in the 125 to 130 mph range. One accepts his own opinion of what he thinks...what did it and where it was done....and when. Quentin Reply canazar Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Phoenix, Arizona 1,989 posts Posted by canazar on Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:07 AM QUOTE: [i] Still, I wonder if, early one starry morning, somewhere out on the pairies, in either country, the two fellas looked at one another, one eyebrow arched slightly, and a half-smirk was exchanged. A slight nod, the Man reached for the cut-off and the regulator, and...well, somebody had to hear about it later. I think Crandell has it right. Ill go with his theroy. Probably be impossible to tell what the real record is since most of it was most likely done out on the open rail with nothing but a scared herd of cows or a freaked [:0]out farmer out in his feilds as some smoking, firebreathing banshee went screaming down the rails.. (Can you even imgaine that sight??) Heck, I have seen highway crewman race snow plows and regulary see the UPS guys race their brown trucks (I work by a UPS wharehouse) foot to the floor, black smoke blazeing as they race across the intersection at a blinding speed of 35 miles an hour. Men have been going fast since day one. The the theory of how many licks to the center of Tootsie Pop, way may never know. But does give great imagination...... Best Regards Best Regards, Big John Kiva Valley Railway- Freelanced road in central Arizona. Visit the link to see my MR forum thread on The Building of the Whitton Branch on the Kiva Valley Railway Reply Gunns Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: New Mexico <Red Chilli> 259 posts Posted by Gunns on Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:08 AM I vote for the 2900s too, <But I'm biased I am helping to restore one> our Locomotive <2926> has all <including side rods> roller bearing connections. The AT&SF rated the 2900s at 110 mph, and maintained the track to run that fast or faster. It's too bad that there isn't any track left that we could do a speed run on. In the last ten years or so 3751 was pushing 80 on her run to Chicago, but getting an open block and permission to run fast is unlikely. Shure would like to try though, 500 tons at 100+mph........ Gunns http://www.nmslrhs.org/ Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by canazar QUOTE: [i] Still, I wonder if, early one starry morning, somewhere out on the pairies, in either country, the two fellas looked at one another, one eyebrow arched slightly, and a half-smirk was exchanged. A slight nod, the Man reached for the cut-off and the regulator, and...well, somebody had to hear about it later. I think Crandell has it right. Ill go with his theroy. Probably be impossible to tell what the real record is since most of it was most likely done out on the open rail with nothing but a scared herd of cows or a freaked [:0]out farmer out in his feilds as some smoking, firebreathing banshee went screaming down the rails.. (Can you even imgaine that sight??) Heck, I have seen highway crewman race snow plows and regulary see the UPS guys race their brown trucks (I work by a UPS wharehouse) foot to the floor, black smoke blazeing as they race across the intersection at a blinding speed of 35 miles an hour. Men have been going fast since day one. The the theory of how many licks to the center of Tootsie Pop, way may never know. But does give great imagination...... Best Regards Heh. Poor Buster Browns. There are working trucks out there that are heavily modified and capable of 140+ loaded. I still say the PRR T-1 has the best potential for really high speeds under a load. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:47 AM ....With the old high wheeler's...80" or so...and turning rpm's to allow 100 plus mph...I wonder how the counterweight side of the wheels stayed together....Plus the dynamics produced must have made some wild harmonics at certain rpm's. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:03 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar I still say the PRR T-1 has the best potential for really high speeds under a load. [#offtopic][#offtopic] I know this is off topic, so hopefully the context *** will forgive me, but you don't know of any color photo's of a T-1, do you? Reply Edit jimrice4449 Member sinceApril 2004 From: North Idaho 1,311 posts Posted by jimrice4449 on Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:40 PM Thequestion should have clarrified whether we're talking about a one time occurance or day in and day out regular operation. If we're talking about daily operation the crown must go to the Milw A class 4-4-2s and, later the F-7 4-6-4s. Until the ICC imposed a maximum of 99MPH in the late 40s, the Hiawathas exceeded 100MPH on a daily basis. Reply jimrice4449 Member sinceApril 2004 From: North Idaho 1,311 posts Posted by jimrice4449 on Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:47 PM Thequestion should have clarrified whether we're talking about a one time occurance or day in and day out regular operation. If we're talking about daily operation the crown must go to the Milw A class 4-4-2s and, later the F-7 4-6-4s. Until the ICC imposed a maximum of 99MPH in the late 40s, the Hiawathas exceeded 100MPH on a daily basis. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:22 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar I still say the PRR T-1 has the best potential for really high speeds under a load. [#offtopic][#offtopic] I know this is off topic, so hopefully the context *** will forgive me, but you don't know of any color photo's of a T-1, do you? http://www.broadway-limited.com/products/images/t1sample/front34.jpg It is a accurate HO Scale model recently released by BLI. I hope to find others somewhere on the net eventually. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by jimrice4449 Thequestion should have clarrified whether we're talking about a one time occurance or day in and day out regular operation. If we're talking about daily operation the crown must go to the Milw A class 4-4-2s and, later the F-7 4-6-4s. Until the ICC imposed a maximum of 99MPH in the late 40s, the Hiawathas exceeded 100MPH on a daily basis. I think the question adequately conveys the key points of interest , as writted. When people ask what the land speed record is, they aren't looking for a mean, ot average figure, they are looking for the fastest "one time ever" speed... Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, June 25, 2005 6:26 PM And considering all above data I still believe the 7002 Atlantic A 7 4-4-2 with it's run of 3 miles in 85 sec with revenue passenger cars might qualify as the unofficial speed king at a bit over 127 mph. Quentin Reply gacuster Member sinceApril 2004 142 posts Posted by gacuster on Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:29 PM There was something in the appendix to the book about the C&NW 400 that one day they had to stop for a red signal and to make up time they "flogged" one of the big Pacifics uphill and then opened her up and reached 120 mph, I think it was on the way into Chicago. Reply Paul Milenkovic Member sinceJuly 2004 2,741 posts Posted by Paul Milenkovic on Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:12 PM A couple of questions about those Milwaukee Road Hiawatha Atlantics and Hudsons. Did 100 MPH operation put any kind of stress on the rails or add to track maintenance? That steam engines "pound the road" was always an issue compared to Diesel, there probably were some steam engines that were particularly hard on the tracks, and I imagine a lot of effort went into balancing them. Trains had this thing a while back about a "bring back steam" "or "what steam could have been" article -- don't know if it was about the ACE-3000 or some other concept, where they talked about a T-1 style duplex driving 4 axles with two sets of cylinders, but unlike a T-1, they had inside rod connections to crank axles, which was explained could be "dynamically balanced" in a way that a conventional Hudson or Northern never could be. I believe the French had a kind of crank-axle interconnected duplex, but then the European railroads had different standards on what level of maintenance they would put up with in railroad equipment. Second question, what was it like to accelerate a train up to 100 MPH with only 2 (Atlantic) or 3 (Hudson) powered axles? Steam could put out a whole lot more HP than early Diesel, especially if your boiler could keep up, but there is still a question about providing useful levels of acceleration to 100 MPH that 100 MPH running resulted in a high average speed. Final question -- these engines were oil burners. What was the rationale for that? If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks? Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:26 PM Paul-that Trains article was in the June 1974 issue. Were the CMSP&P 4-6-4s called Baltics ? Dale Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe I am partial to the T-1, so I would like to believe that. However, didn't the Hiawatha hold the record? I am told that she regularly did well beyond her speedometer. which was 125 mph. Gabe P.S. Did anyone hear of the story where a switcher helped pu***he Hiawatha out of the station (as the Hiawatha's big drivers didn't make them the greatest starters in the world) and the switcher couldn't uncouple. The report was at a crossing tower that they could tell the crew's faces were green as the Hiawatha went by at 100mph+. Gabe
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed The Mallard in Britan did between 125/130 MPH[:o)][:p][:D] Originally posted by TheAntiGates [ According to the History Channel today, the record is 126.9 by an English Mallard. At first I thought they said "Mallet" and I was like N.F.W!!, but then I saw they were talking about mallards Reply Edit Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Friday, June 24, 2005 3:54 PM Mallard is the name of the locomotive,, it's an A4 class Pacific designed by Nigel griesly. The official word record is 126mph,, everything else is just hearsay, sour grapes and attemped one upmanship. If your T1 went that fast why isn't it in the record book?? Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Friday, June 24, 2005 4:03 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Mallard is the name of the locomotive,, it's an A4 class Pacific designed by Nigel griesly. The official word record is 126mph,, everything else is just hearsay, sour grapes and attemped one upmanship. If your T1 went that fast why isn't it in the record book?? I had a rather pithy—bordering on invective—response to your need to play national one upsmanship with my beloved T-1. However, as I am humbled by the sacrifice and dignity expressed by Briti***roops fighting along side American troops in Iraq (and embarrassed by the fact that our country hasn’t nationally recognized that fact), I will just keep it to myself and allow you to bask in the triumphs of the A4. Gabe . . . Hawkins. Reply txhighballer Member sinceJuly 2003 109 posts Posted by txhighballer on Friday, June 24, 2005 4:25 PM There is no doubt that the Mallard holds the "official" record,and we are glad that she is still with us today. Even though the locomotive almost stripped herself to set the record,her place in history is secured. The bottom line in these conversations is that there were many fast runs with fast locomotives..and most likely many of these runs were make with a "wink" from the road foreman.... Reply selector Member sinceFebruary 2005 From: Vancouver Island, BC 23,330 posts Posted by selector on Friday, June 24, 2005 4:56 PM I believe the record for the CPR was accomplished with a 4-4-4, and it was around 118. Not too shabby. Still, I wonder if, early one starry morning, somewhere out on the pairies, in either country, the two fellas looked at one another, one eyebrow arched slightly, and a half-smirk was exchanged. A slight nod, the Man reached for the cut-off and the regulator, and...well, somebody had to hear about it later. Reply TH&B Member sinceJuly 2003 964 posts Posted by TH&B on Friday, June 24, 2005 7:28 PM Speed recordings of "steam days" could be rayther inacurate, and therefore often exagetated and unprovable. The fastest steam engine in service today, excursion survice that is, is a German 4-8-4. It can run 100+ mph today. The A4 does officially hold the record. but it was down hill running, the Germans officialy have the second fastest wich is one mph slower but it wasn't down hill. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, June 24, 2005 7:53 PM ...Plenty of fast runs were made at various locations and as for which is the "official" record....is questionable...How and what made a certain run official. Believe we as a group have cited many instances that runs with steam engines pulling revenue cars did make some extraordinary speeds. Some just off the cuff as a spur of the moment tries.....and others a planned speed run of some sort but to banner it back and forth of which was the most speedy....and how is it proved of what was done now is wide open to question. From what I have read and heard in conversation my guess for what speed might have been turned would be in the 125 to 130 mph range. One accepts his own opinion of what he thinks...what did it and where it was done....and when. Quentin Reply canazar Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Phoenix, Arizona 1,989 posts Posted by canazar on Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:07 AM QUOTE: [i] Still, I wonder if, early one starry morning, somewhere out on the pairies, in either country, the two fellas looked at one another, one eyebrow arched slightly, and a half-smirk was exchanged. A slight nod, the Man reached for the cut-off and the regulator, and...well, somebody had to hear about it later. I think Crandell has it right. Ill go with his theroy. Probably be impossible to tell what the real record is since most of it was most likely done out on the open rail with nothing but a scared herd of cows or a freaked [:0]out farmer out in his feilds as some smoking, firebreathing banshee went screaming down the rails.. (Can you even imgaine that sight??) Heck, I have seen highway crewman race snow plows and regulary see the UPS guys race their brown trucks (I work by a UPS wharehouse) foot to the floor, black smoke blazeing as they race across the intersection at a blinding speed of 35 miles an hour. Men have been going fast since day one. The the theory of how many licks to the center of Tootsie Pop, way may never know. But does give great imagination...... Best Regards Best Regards, Big John Kiva Valley Railway- Freelanced road in central Arizona. Visit the link to see my MR forum thread on The Building of the Whitton Branch on the Kiva Valley Railway Reply Gunns Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: New Mexico <Red Chilli> 259 posts Posted by Gunns on Saturday, June 25, 2005 3:08 AM I vote for the 2900s too, <But I'm biased I am helping to restore one> our Locomotive <2926> has all <including side rods> roller bearing connections. The AT&SF rated the 2900s at 110 mph, and maintained the track to run that fast or faster. It's too bad that there isn't any track left that we could do a speed run on. In the last ten years or so 3751 was pushing 80 on her run to Chicago, but getting an open block and permission to run fast is unlikely. Shure would like to try though, 500 tons at 100+mph........ Gunns http://www.nmslrhs.org/ Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:58 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by canazar QUOTE: [i] Still, I wonder if, early one starry morning, somewhere out on the pairies, in either country, the two fellas looked at one another, one eyebrow arched slightly, and a half-smirk was exchanged. A slight nod, the Man reached for the cut-off and the regulator, and...well, somebody had to hear about it later. I think Crandell has it right. Ill go with his theroy. Probably be impossible to tell what the real record is since most of it was most likely done out on the open rail with nothing but a scared herd of cows or a freaked [:0]out farmer out in his feilds as some smoking, firebreathing banshee went screaming down the rails.. (Can you even imgaine that sight??) Heck, I have seen highway crewman race snow plows and regulary see the UPS guys race their brown trucks (I work by a UPS wharehouse) foot to the floor, black smoke blazeing as they race across the intersection at a blinding speed of 35 miles an hour. Men have been going fast since day one. The the theory of how many licks to the center of Tootsie Pop, way may never know. But does give great imagination...... Best Regards Heh. Poor Buster Browns. There are working trucks out there that are heavily modified and capable of 140+ loaded. I still say the PRR T-1 has the best potential for really high speeds under a load. Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:47 AM ....With the old high wheeler's...80" or so...and turning rpm's to allow 100 plus mph...I wonder how the counterweight side of the wheels stayed together....Plus the dynamics produced must have made some wild harmonics at certain rpm's. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:03 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar I still say the PRR T-1 has the best potential for really high speeds under a load. [#offtopic][#offtopic] I know this is off topic, so hopefully the context *** will forgive me, but you don't know of any color photo's of a T-1, do you? Reply Edit jimrice4449 Member sinceApril 2004 From: North Idaho 1,311 posts Posted by jimrice4449 on Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:40 PM Thequestion should have clarrified whether we're talking about a one time occurance or day in and day out regular operation. If we're talking about daily operation the crown must go to the Milw A class 4-4-2s and, later the F-7 4-6-4s. Until the ICC imposed a maximum of 99MPH in the late 40s, the Hiawathas exceeded 100MPH on a daily basis. Reply jimrice4449 Member sinceApril 2004 From: North Idaho 1,311 posts Posted by jimrice4449 on Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:47 PM Thequestion should have clarrified whether we're talking about a one time occurance or day in and day out regular operation. If we're talking about daily operation the crown must go to the Milw A class 4-4-2s and, later the F-7 4-6-4s. Until the ICC imposed a maximum of 99MPH in the late 40s, the Hiawathas exceeded 100MPH on a daily basis. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 25, 2005 1:22 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar I still say the PRR T-1 has the best potential for really high speeds under a load. [#offtopic][#offtopic] I know this is off topic, so hopefully the context *** will forgive me, but you don't know of any color photo's of a T-1, do you? http://www.broadway-limited.com/products/images/t1sample/front34.jpg It is a accurate HO Scale model recently released by BLI. I hope to find others somewhere on the net eventually. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:40 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by jimrice4449 Thequestion should have clarrified whether we're talking about a one time occurance or day in and day out regular operation. If we're talking about daily operation the crown must go to the Milw A class 4-4-2s and, later the F-7 4-6-4s. Until the ICC imposed a maximum of 99MPH in the late 40s, the Hiawathas exceeded 100MPH on a daily basis. I think the question adequately conveys the key points of interest , as writted. When people ask what the land speed record is, they aren't looking for a mean, ot average figure, they are looking for the fastest "one time ever" speed... Reply Edit Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Saturday, June 25, 2005 6:26 PM And considering all above data I still believe the 7002 Atlantic A 7 4-4-2 with it's run of 3 miles in 85 sec with revenue passenger cars might qualify as the unofficial speed king at a bit over 127 mph. Quentin Reply gacuster Member sinceApril 2004 142 posts Posted by gacuster on Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:29 PM There was something in the appendix to the book about the C&NW 400 that one day they had to stop for a red signal and to make up time they "flogged" one of the big Pacifics uphill and then opened her up and reached 120 mph, I think it was on the way into Chicago. Reply Paul Milenkovic Member sinceJuly 2004 2,741 posts Posted by Paul Milenkovic on Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:12 PM A couple of questions about those Milwaukee Road Hiawatha Atlantics and Hudsons. Did 100 MPH operation put any kind of stress on the rails or add to track maintenance? That steam engines "pound the road" was always an issue compared to Diesel, there probably were some steam engines that were particularly hard on the tracks, and I imagine a lot of effort went into balancing them. Trains had this thing a while back about a "bring back steam" "or "what steam could have been" article -- don't know if it was about the ACE-3000 or some other concept, where they talked about a T-1 style duplex driving 4 axles with two sets of cylinders, but unlike a T-1, they had inside rod connections to crank axles, which was explained could be "dynamically balanced" in a way that a conventional Hudson or Northern never could be. I believe the French had a kind of crank-axle interconnected duplex, but then the European railroads had different standards on what level of maintenance they would put up with in railroad equipment. Second question, what was it like to accelerate a train up to 100 MPH with only 2 (Atlantic) or 3 (Hudson) powered axles? Steam could put out a whole lot more HP than early Diesel, especially if your boiler could keep up, but there is still a question about providing useful levels of acceleration to 100 MPH that 100 MPH running resulted in a high average speed. Final question -- these engines were oil burners. What was the rationale for that? If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks? Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Saturday, June 25, 2005 8:26 PM Paul-that Trains article was in the June 1974 issue. Were the CMSP&P 4-6-4s called Baltics ? Dale Reply 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Mallard is the name of the locomotive,, it's an A4 class Pacific designed by Nigel griesly. The official word record is 126mph,, everything else is just hearsay, sour grapes and attemped one upmanship. If your T1 went that fast why isn't it in the record book??
QUOTE: [i] Still, I wonder if, early one starry morning, somewhere out on the pairies, in either country, the two fellas looked at one another, one eyebrow arched slightly, and a half-smirk was exchanged. A slight nod, the Man reached for the cut-off and the regulator, and...well, somebody had to hear about it later.
Best Regards, Big John
Kiva Valley Railway- Freelanced road in central Arizona. Visit the link to see my MR forum thread on The Building of the Whitton Branch on the Kiva Valley Railway
QUOTE: Originally posted by canazar QUOTE: [i] Still, I wonder if, early one starry morning, somewhere out on the pairies, in either country, the two fellas looked at one another, one eyebrow arched slightly, and a half-smirk was exchanged. A slight nod, the Man reached for the cut-off and the regulator, and...well, somebody had to hear about it later. I think Crandell has it right. Ill go with his theroy. Probably be impossible to tell what the real record is since most of it was most likely done out on the open rail with nothing but a scared herd of cows or a freaked [:0]out farmer out in his feilds as some smoking, firebreathing banshee went screaming down the rails.. (Can you even imgaine that sight??) Heck, I have seen highway crewman race snow plows and regulary see the UPS guys race their brown trucks (I work by a UPS wharehouse) foot to the floor, black smoke blazeing as they race across the intersection at a blinding speed of 35 miles an hour. Men have been going fast since day one. The the theory of how many licks to the center of Tootsie Pop, way may never know. But does give great imagination...... Best Regards
QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar I still say the PRR T-1 has the best potential for really high speeds under a load.
QUOTE: Originally posted by TheAntiGates QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar I still say the PRR T-1 has the best potential for really high speeds under a load. [#offtopic][#offtopic] I know this is off topic, so hopefully the context *** will forgive me, but you don't know of any color photo's of a T-1, do you?
QUOTE: Originally posted by jimrice4449 Thequestion should have clarrified whether we're talking about a one time occurance or day in and day out regular operation. If we're talking about daily operation the crown must go to the Milw A class 4-4-2s and, later the F-7 4-6-4s. Until the ICC imposed a maximum of 99MPH in the late 40s, the Hiawathas exceeded 100MPH on a daily basis.
If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?
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