Top four train watching spots

[jwinter]

I was at Fostoria, OH for the first time last month. Great spot. Met lots of other railfans from all over. We mostly hung out at or near the depot. I was told to stay away from the tower, as the operator will call police.

I also checked out Marion, OH. Not as busy as Fostoria, but still plenty to see. A local rail club is remodeling the depot there and moved a tower so visitors can climb inside. The depot is right between 2 diamonds. Checking out the depot and tower adds interest to the site.

One of my forvorite hotspots is anywhere along Hwy. 30 across Nebraska, especially between Gibbons Jct. and N. Platte.

[VerMontanan]

1. Essex, Montana. Absolutely without a doubt, the quintessential railroading location in the United States as it's the location of the Izaak Walton Inn (constructed by the Great Northern Railroad in 1939). The Inn has loads of railroad memorabilia and even its own Amtrak stop. And, toss in that it's a the southern edge of Glacier National Park and on BNSF's main line to the Pacific Northwest that often sees 45 trains a day, and it's a location that can't be beat.
2. Harpers Ferry, WV. Classic station (undergoing renovation) in a community that looks as it did 150 years ago. Just love that view of the trains coming out of the tunnel and across the Potomac.....
3. Wishram, WA. Located along the Columbia River Gorge, it's the location of BNSF's busy (50 trains daily) main line between Pasco and Vancouver/Portland. Here also, trains veer south across the Columbia to the "Inside Gateway" to California. If that's not evough, the main line of the UP is just across the river (and easily visible) in Oregon.
4. Thurmond, WV. With the ex-C&O station preserved by the National Park service, a visit off the beaten path to Thurmond is a step back in time. While train traffic is heavy, the community is usually only visited by railroad enthusiasts, nature seekers, and whitewater rafters. The scenery is fabulous, especially in the fall.

[Anonymous]

Australia? That sounds great, I've always wanted to ride that trans continental train, whats the name of that train, is it still running? Stew

[dwil89]

My Favorite Train watching spots...1. From the Front Porch of The Station Inn in Cresson, Pa....2. The Slagdumps on the West side of Staple Bend Tunnel, near Conemaugh, Pa. 3...Bennington Curve, on the EastSlope West of Altoona, Pa(by hiking in on ATV trails)....Tie for 4th...Horseshoe Curve, Pa, viewing from elevated vantage outside the Curve by hiking a couple of miles up an ATV trail...and other 4th is the old B&O Horseshoe Curve at Mance, Pa on Sand Patch Grade, viewing from the elevated wooden viewing platform over the East end of Mance Horseshoe Curve.....Dave Williams @ [e-mail]

[kschmidt]

I guess to narrow it down from places I have actually visited.

1. Rochelle, IL - I guess just due to sheer volume of trains. Rochelle is not really a good spot to photograph trains, but a great place to sit and watch.
2. Downers Grove, IL on the BNSF triple track just west of Chicago. A lot trains to be seen, a nice depot to sit and watch. Also across the street are amenities like a Starbucks and a Ice Cream Shoppe.
3. Powder River Basin - I was out there in 1997 and I hope to go again this year. Stood in one spot and watched trains on a nice S-curve for 45 minutes. Saw 7-8 in that time.
4. Cresson, PA - Was out there in 1996. The town had actually set up a railfan platform. Saw alot of trains including road railers. Many of the trains had helpers put on. Unfortunately it started to rain.

Keith

[dknelson]

Someone mentioned Chillicothe Illinois (there are many towns with that name and more than a few of them have good railfanning, oddly enough)
The name of the wonderful hill west of town is Edelstein Hill and the curve, where so many classic railfan photos and movies have been made, is Houlihan's Curve.
At the crest of the hill is a carved stone with the name of a railfan and his dates -- I assume his ashes are scattered there? I forget the name but it is something like Tibourius (I rely on my memory for this big mistake).

Dave Nelson

[M636C]

OK, these are my spots, and are (relatively) local to me being in South Eastern Australia

1. The stretch of line between Cullerin (at the top of the Great Divding Range) and the town of Gunning (the first town on the Western slopes). In fact, there are five or six excellent spots here, varying according to the time of day and time of year - the line is basically East West (although it is theoretically North South) and the sun moves North in winter. Because of the sharp curves and steep grades, between three and five shots can be taken, even of the fastest passenger trains. The road, until 1990 the main Sydney Melboune Highway, but now bypassed is good for reasonably high speed but is almost unused.

2. The Wargeila Road overbridge at Yass Junction, looking down on the brick viaduct over Bango Creek is a classic location , but only really good for "down" trains (away from the capital, here southbound). A fair shot can be got of northbound trains, best earlier in the day, but not in the same class as the southbound.

3. The Burnham Lane overbridge at Werai, between Moss Vale and Exeter. A good view in each direction and room to move to both the inside and outside of the curves (which reverse into an "S" at the bridge). Plenty of warning of trains, and additional limestone traffic between Berrima and Marulan.

4. And North of Sydney, various locations between Sandgate and Maitland on the four track main, with frequent coal trains and passenger trains varying from suburban diesel railcars to long distance passenger trains. Sadly, most of these are only good for one direction, but Sandgate at the East end and and High Street at the West end are reasonable for both directions.

Peter

[Mikeygaw]

i only have two at the moment.... next week i should get a chance to check out two more

1.) Frankford Yard: A pedestrian bridge gives you great overhead shots of the yard as well as the Northeast Corridor, plus a view of the combined NJT Atlanic City Line/ Conrail Shared Assets Delair Line

2.) On Lewis Street, just off of Richmond Street, just a very short distance from the Betsy Ross Bridge over the Deleware River, a view of the NJT Atlantic City Line/Delair Line, along with the Delair Lift Bridge.

[RudyRockvilleMD]

My all time favorite photography spots are in Maryland of course. Havre de Grace and Perryville.
In Perryville you have a boat launch ramp just north of the US 40 (Thomas Hatem) bridge from which you can photograph CSX trains crossing the Susquehanna River. This location works best for phtographing eastbound trains.

Perryville has a city park on the north side of the Amtrak tracks (before entering the Perry Point VA Medical Center) from which you can photograph northbound, late afternoon MARC trains as they approach the Perryville station. The Perry Point VA Medical Center is a good vntage point in the morning for photographing eastbound Amtrak trains crossing the Susquehanna River. You have to go to the guard post first to get verbal permission to drive on to thegrounds of that hospital. If you are allowed inside then drive stright ahead, and circle the ball field, and park by some of the houses. Walk across the field, and you will be at an elevatedl ocation where you will be at nearly the same elevation as the bridge. If you are real lucky you might even get a couple of NS freights crossing the Susquehanna entering and leaving the Port Road.

Once you are finished with Perryville cross the Suquehanna into Havre de Grace. There is a park and a parking lot downstream from the bridge, This is good for southbound shots thru early afternoon. Again the same thing as Perryville from the VA Medical Center. You may also see a CSX freight crossing the Susquehanna River nearly a mile away. In the afternoon move over to either the Jean Roberts boat launch ramp and park which is immediately upstream from the tracks. That location is only good for southbound shots since it is so close to the tracks.

[Anonymous]

My favorites thus far:

1) Porter Junction
2) Rochelle
3) Cincinnatti/Covington
4) Missouri Valley, Iowa

And your right cnw8835- Judd St has some good switching action!

[locomutt]

I'm not sure I could list them in any order,I do have several
places that I like to watch trains;
But my FAVORITE place IS one where I can watch them!!!!

Actually Russell,Raceland,Ashland,Catlettsburg,Ky and
Huntington,W.Va. are on my favorites lists.
I have a few more of them,but would be to numerous to name.

[Anonymous]

My very favorite is at the diamond on the west side of Flatonia, Texas where the Dalsa and the Sunset meet. Flatonia is pretty close to half way between San Antonio and Houston right off of I-10.
Also, at the old Depot in New Braunfels, Texas.

mike

[RKFarms]

Lafayette, IN- two pedestrian bridges over NS and CSX tracks. Former Wabash and Monon, also old NKP to Muncie gets a fair amount of traffic and NKP west operated by KBSR gets a few trains. Auto plant and yard activity visible from CR 350 bridge souteast of town (wide shoulders on bridge), last few ex-Monon semaphores are about 10 miles south of town on US 231, then about a mile west on CR1220 S or 1150S. Monon Society and Linden RR museum about 15 miles south. So far, pedestrian bridges are completely hassle-free, and one is very close to city amenities, other one is a 5 minute bike ride away.I know there are more spectacular sites (I've been to some of them), but this is home. Strongly agree with previous post about getting off I80 and onto 30 in Nebraska.

[oskar]

1. Folkston,GA CSX and Amtrak 60-70 trains a day very accessible it is close to home.

that's all I am going to name now I will name the rest later




kevin

[Anonymous]

1. Powder River Basin. No matter how boring some people say it is, I still love the area.

2. The end of Judd St., Grand Rapids, MI. Its at the east throat of the yard. 10ft from the tracks and right across from the engine house. Just saw one of the last units in full Cheesie paint there last saturday.

3. Rochelle, IL. No explination needed.

4. Dolton, IL. Something is almost always within sight and my buddy's dad owns the truck shop in the northeast corner of the diamond, so I can sit on top of the building watching trains. It a COOL spot.

[Jack_S]

QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

1. Cajon pass (big suprise)...I like to go just east of the summit to where Summit Valley Road comes along side the tracks. The action is usually non stop. The BNSF has three tracks through here (not sure if it is triple track or 2MT w/siding) and runs about 50 trains a day. UP has rights between Riverside and Dagget and runs about 15 trains a day on this line too. Amtrak also runs trains 3/4 daily. Higher up the hill is UPs Palmdale cutoff and Highland siding. They run about 10 trains a day.

2. West Palm Springs...This is on the busy Sunset route of the UP. They run about 45 trains a day. It's a nice spot with lots of windmills around and mt. San Jacinto towering two miles overhead.

3. Dagget...This is where UP tracks from Salt Lake City enter BNSF trackage rights down into the LA basin. BNSF runs about 60 trains per day, UP runs about 15 and Amtrak runs 2 per day. It's better to do this spot in the winter as it gets quite hot in the summer.

4. Mojave...At the east end of the Tehachappi loop line. UP runs about 15 trains per day and BNSF runs about the same. Plus there is local action on the Creal branch and whats left of the Jawbone out to interchange with the Trona RR.

I agree in principle, but would make one change and drop Daggett since it is so far away from most of SoCal and the weather is often so bad. When it's not too hot in Daggett it's too cold and windy. Mojave has many of the same problems but it leads, naturally, to the Tehachapi pass and Loop, so it gets a reprieve.

I would add the Fullerton AmTrak depot. Attractive 1930s architecture, a Cafe onsite with a pleasant patio, some really good restaurants nearby, and all the trains you could hope for. The average on a weekday, counting Amtrak, Metrolink, and BNSF, is 90 trains a day. And it is only five miles from my house.

Not to mention a considerable group of mostly compatible retired railfans who gather there every day and evening. A favorite routine is to arrive just before the homeward commuter rush, have supper on the Cafe patio while the working stiffs detrain from Metrolink and AmTrak, watch the Chief stop and pick up passengers, and enjoy the many heavy freights running between the Harbor area and San Bernardino in both directions.

Some developer is building a large block of Condos south across the street from the Fullerton Depot that are to be part of a Fullerton City plan for a "Transit Village". Now I would not mind living there if I could afford it, but I can remove my hearing aids when I want to sleep. And I generally like the sound of trains. I wonder how this "Transit Village" is going to sell to non-foamers?

In Cajon I like the views from Old Rte. 66 at Sullivan's curve, at the south end of Blue Cut, and north of Blue Cut where all three lines are in sight across a wide part of the canyon. Also, particularly if I have a good pair of binoculars or a nice long telephoto lens, the Summit overlook from Rte 138 Now that they have paved Summit Valley Road, that is a good moving point of view.

I am going to check out the San Bernardino Depot and see if it rivals Fullerton. Also, there is a Blues club in Pomona whose back door opens on the lines through that city where there is a good deal of UP traffic.

Jack

[CopCarSS]

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you...they're all mine! My precious...my precioussssss.....lol

OK, seriously, here's what they are:

1) Blue Mountain Road, Jefferson County, Colorado. Union Pacific Moffat Tunnel Sub. Probably around 20 trains a day or so. The accessability is the key here. While there are lots n lots n lots of great spots along the Moffat Sub, this one is just after the Big Ten Curves, and requires no mountain driving. Yet, long coal drags will snake around until the mid train helpers line up directly over the head end on eastbounders. It's hard to explain, but I think most of you have seen a picture from the Blue Mtn. Road at some point...it's a pretty popular place.

2)Chama, New Mexico. The yards of the Cumbres and Toltec in Chama just feel old. With the old coal tipple, old water tower, old station, heck EVERYTHING is old!, it's a fun spot to hang around. The crews are great, too. They are so friendly. You can pretty much wander around the yard as long as you're not getting yourself run over. If a crew member sees you poking your head in one of the shop areas or something, you can rest assured more likely than not you will be quickly invited in to see what is going on. Oh yes, night shots are incredible there!

3) Chillicothe, IL. I forget the curve's name, but there's a really dramatic curve that the BNSF runs around. If you pull it in with a telephoto, it looks really, really cool. Lots of trains, too. Plus, I like Edelstein, which is just down the tracks, as a fun place to hang out.

4) The UP along Rt. 30 through the whole state of Nebraska. While driving I-80 through Nebraska can be the biggest bore in the whole of the country, Nebraska as a state can be pretty cool, provided you get off of I-80. There are just boatloads of trains on the UP, and US 30 parallels the railroad oh so well in the state. Every town has a monstrous grain elevator that works well in pictures. And you will never find nicer folks than those in Nebraska. Oh yes, as an added bonus, if you're into the whole weather chasing thing (I am) Nebraska is a great state for it!

There are oh so many more that I could list, but this is just the top 4 that came readily to mind. Happy rails to you all.

Chris
Denver, CO

P.S. Thanks Gabe for an interesting thread!

[MP173]

Gabe:

I will agree with you about Tuscola, Centralia, and Gilman being interesting points. The BNSF line from Galesburg down to Paducah is also interesting. The yard at Beardstown is a busy spot.

Here are my favorites (maintaining an Northwest Indiana theme):

1. My adopted hometown of Valparaiso provides me with good entertainment. NS runs 25 or so a day and CN has 30+ including 17500 ton coal trains that stall on the hill and 150+ manifest trains. Finally Chicago, Fort Wayne, and Eastern makes a daily stop. Best of all...all within 5 minutes of home!

2. East Chicago Indiana has an operating tower (Grassilli) and a tangle of branchlines and spurs, plus the IHB and the CSX.

3. Porter, In. features the NS mainline (ex Conrail), CSX mainline to Michigan and the Amtrak line to Michigan. Action is pretty steady with probably 60 trains, possibly even more.

4. Flagstaff, Az. BNSF mainline with nonstop action and incredible scenery.

ed

[chad thomas]

1. Cajon pass (big suprise)...I like to go just east of the summit to where Summit Valley Road comes along side the tracks. The action is usually non stop. The BNSF has three tracks through here (not sure if it is triple track or 2MT w/siding) and runs about 50 trains a day. UP has rights between Riverside and Dagget and runs about 15 trains a day on this line too. Amtrak also runs trains 3/4 daily. Higher up the hill is UPs Palmdale cutoff and Highland siding. They run about 10 trains a day.

2. West Palm Springs...This is on the busy Sunset route of the UP. They run about 45 trains a day. It's a nice spot with lots of windmills around and mt. San Jacinto towering two miles overhead.

3. Dagget...This is where UP tracks from Salt Lake City enter BNSF trackage rights down into the LA basin. BNSF runs about 60 trains per day, UP runs about 15 and Amtrak runs 2 per day. It's better to do this spot in the winter as it gets quite hot in the summer.

4. Mojave...At the east end of the Tehachappi loop line. UP runs about 15 trains per day and BNSF runs about the same. Plus there is local action on the Creal branch and whats left of the Jawbone out to interchange with the Trona RR.

[JoeKoh]

andrew
the ns line through fostoria does go to ft wayne and on to chicago but it was a former nkp trackage.
stay safe
Joe

[Junctionfan]

I can only accurately give you locations where I have been personally so here it goes.

1/ Bayview Junction-in between Hamilton, Ontario and Aldershot Station near Burlington, Ontario. Best places to watch trains is the pedestrian bridge at the Botanical Gardens. Great because it is public, parking is close by, and public flush washroom facilities including a drinking fountain is all with in 20 feet from the bridge.

Primarily looks over the Oakville Subdivision which feeds into Bayview Junction toward the Grimsby Subdivision (Buffalo Corridor) and the Dundas Subdivision (Michigan Corridor) of CN. It sees about 40 or more trains a day and some trains including even the stack and intermodal trains exceed 160 cars! Their are about 14 VIA trains and 2 Amtrak trains that make an appearance as well plus on the week days, a steady stream of GO commuter trains.

Currently, construction is going on to increase the tracks from double to triple (maybe quadruple). This to accomidate the increase GO trains to Hamilton without disrupting the increase amount of CN trains. CN does not run unit trains beyond 2 Triple Crown trains and a few empty ML trains that head east to Oakville Ford plant and the Oshawa GM plant (maybe others too).

If you follow the sidewalk of the road you took and head west toward Hamilton (quite a walk though), you will be able to get to a park that has stairs that go down near the bay which allows you access to watch the few CP trains that head to and from Buffalo toward CP's Mactier and Agincourt yards in Toronto.

Not too sure what all they run. I do know that they run unit automax trains, steel train (Dofasco Steel "local") and an empty ML train among the few other mixed freights and intermodal train (2 that I know of).

2/ Buffalo, New York. The CSX Frontier Yard is a great place to watch trains do crew changes, yard work (hump yard) and other switching. Best place to watch is from Broadway street which is near by. Public property so no one should bother you. I went there with some friends recently (year ago) and the worst we got was Buffalo Police and CSX Police pulling up and look us over a bit but that was it; they waved, smiled and went about their business so all was well afterwards.

The afternoon brings heaviest the intermodal traffic. Most intermodal trains unit trailers, stacks or mixed exceed or are very close to 150 cars. You see lots of coal trains empty and loaded when they come (as required) as well as other as required trains like unit chemical, grain (Cargil), and other commodities. They run quite a few manifest and automotive traffic too. Toward the otherside, you can see several CN trains often terminating there or heading back to Toronto MacMillan Yard. CP does some stuff there too but never saw anything.

Special note though, don't bother with NS Bison Yard. NS police and even crews get wierd and ***ety about folk getting close to the yard. Not sure why when CSX allowed us the same level of access but that is neither here or there.

3/ Fostoria, Ohio. Rather proud to say I have been here. Great place for non stop action. About 160 trains a day. Two CSX lines former C&O and B&O (Columbus,OH Subdivision (Toledo,OH to Columbus, OH) and Willard Subdivision (Willard, OH to Deshler, OH)). The NS line which I think was NW is I believe called the Belleview line which is Belleview, OH to Fort Wayne Indiana?

Most of the trains are coal trains either empty or loaded. Most make runs between Russell Kentucky and the Toledo Ore Docks. Others head from South and head towards Chicago or head east where I am assuming they are heading to some power plant in PA or to Ashatabula, OH.

CSX runs everything but a kitchen sink train pretty much while NS runs mostly manifest and Triple Crown with also a great portion of other intermodal and coal traffic. At certain periods of the day, CSX runs most of their automotive traffic all at once since they serve both assembly plant in Walbridge and Detroit. Intermodal traffic is heaviest at night time.

Only 2 Amtrak trains (Three Rivers) goes through Fostoria (won't stop anymore I guess) and that is about 3 or 4am. Apparently CP runs what CSX calls a Z train through Fostoria too.

Best place to watch is at the Amtrak station as it is really close to the CSX/ NS diamonds as well as a bar with a washroom. (Washrooms are good) Great place to listen to a variety of horns too since they whistle for all crossings and maybe also for F tower.

[JoeKoh]

1 deshler ohio crossroads of the B&O.the toledo-cincinnati main crosses the willard sub(chicago main) plus 3 wyes for trains to change direction.just follow rt 18
2.fostoria ohio keep following rt 18 east you come to fostoria.the nkp line(NS) crosses the B&O at the depot and C&O along columbus ave.(C&O also crosses the B&O along columbus ave too)lots of yard trains come down from toledo and go to willard.
3 belleview ohio
home of the nkp museum and lots of ns action
4.a rail fence on buckeye st in celina ohio
I know it just has rj corman local trains now(former nkp line) but thats where me and my brother sat and watched N&W trains roll through with 5 6 or 7 engines on the point.
stay safe[:)]
Joe

[gabe]

QUOTE: Originally posted by npr765

I don't have a top 4 but my faverite is Rochell.

No fair, everyone knows about Rochelle.

[Anonymous]

The Holiday Inn in Cumberland on the former B&O main. Open the curtains, make yourself comfortable and watch'em roll by. I think the place is in decline, though. I was there last about five years ago and the bedding was over due for replacement.

[tree68]

Since I don't travel specifically to watch trains much, there are only a couple of spots I frequent.

Carousel Mall, Syracuse. Sit in the parking lot and watch the myriad trains (including Amtrak) go by on the CSX Chicago Line. In addition, this is where the Montreal Secondary comes off the Chicago Line, and there is an OnTrack (SuzieQ) terminal there, too. Defect detector just to the west, but often by the time it finally transmits, the head end of an eastbound is already by you. If you get bored (???) you can go into the mall and ride the carousel or visit Hooters. In fact, the shopping half can go in the mall while you sit in the lot and read RR magazines between trains. The Syracuse Transportation Center is just a half mile or so east.

There are several spots I like to watch on the Montreal secondary, but they are mostly a function of being in the right spot to even catch a train - not a lot of traffic.

[Anonymous]

I don't have a top 4 but my faverite is Rochell.

[gabe]

I tire of making fun of 45 year-old, pre-pubescent trolls who mask their inadequacies by annoying others for today, and it seems like we haven't had a lot of good rail talk as of late. So, here is a topic we can all benefit from:

Name your top four train watching spots. But, if you could, please include the (1) State and town, (2) names of the rail lines that can be viewed in the same spot WITHOUT DRIVING ACROSS TOWN, (3) the traffic that the area gets, (4) how accessible the area is, and (5) any special reasons you like the spot.

I figure this thread will be useful for people like me who take a sojourn every summer just to go relax and look at trains—although it looks like I might have my first little one on the way [:D] so this year's trip might have to be postponed. But, if I am able to go, I would love to hear your responses.

1. Five miles South of Walshville, Illinois (Central Illinois). The Union Pacific’s ex-Chicago & Eastern Illinois/NYC St. Louis - Chicago Line and BNSF's ex Burlington Southern Illinois line intersect.

There is a road crossing roughly 200 yards from where both lines cross. This could be the BEST train watching spot that no one has ever heard of. It is great; both lines are VERY busy, and BNSF trains regularly use the UP line, and an impressive grade off of the overpass to get to the line.

Better yet, it is in the middle of nowhere. No one bothers you. It is just you and good train watching.

2. Tuscola Illinois. CSX's old B&O Decatur, IL – Indianapolis, IN line, intersects with the IC's Chicago - New Orleans Main, which also intersects with UP's St. Louis - Chicago EX Chicago & Eastern Illinois. Very heavy train action, including Amtrak.

There is tremendous access, the UP and IC lines are very busy, and the CSX line is not busy, but a good contrast--it is nice to be able to see a spot with 3 different routes intersecting one another. Though this is in a small town, the natives are very friendly and you are left to watch trains in peace.

3. Centralia, Illinois. Talk about a wealth of traffic and lines, NS, IC, BNSF all intersect—a chill goes down my spine to think that a second IC line and the Missouri and Illinois also used to intersect this point. Plus there is an IC yard just south of town. Access isn't as good as most spots, but the extra traffic really makes up for it.

4. Gilman, Illinois. You get a lot of action in Gilman. The Toledo Peoria and Western runs East West. I love hot spots where you can get short line or regional action. IC's Chicago - New Orleans and IC's Gilman - Springfield line also connects at this point. Better yet, NS has traffic rights on the IC and there is lots of action.

There isn't really a good place where you can park in Gilman and see all of the action while in your car. But, if you don't mind walking, it is a great place to watch trains.

There are a lot of spots in Indiana and I wanted to include Indiana. But, I can't say that any Indiana spot is as good as those 4.

Alas, Litchfield Illinois would have made my list were it not for abandonments. NS’s old Wabash main and BNSF’s old Burlington Southern Illinois Route intersect and a very accessible spot and the action is good. But I can’t include it in my favorites, as you once were also able to see Illinois Central’s Gilman – St. Louis line, which had good traffic, a romantic NYC branch line, an even more romantic Litchfield & Madison Short line, the Illinois Terminal interurban, and the Litchfield & Carrolton/Alton branch line. Watching that action had to be something else.

Anyone care to chime in, help me decide where I am going to take my trip this summer?

Gabe