QUOTE: Originally posted by piouslion LC -Pardon me for getting into an area that I am somewhat limited in, but is this not a practice that is seen in Britian on long distance trains? PL
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QUOTE: Originally posted by jeaton OK, here is a thought (from someone somewhat sympathetic to unions). One man crews are allowed when certain standard for train control are met-say CTC with positive train control features. Details to be part of the agreement. Hey-What's the going per diem rate for a good arbitrator? Jay
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QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy It's going to be interesting to see how this kind of thing progresses, not only to see what kinds of technology are brought in, but also to see what kinds of new jobs are created and how many of the old ones will be axed.
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSFGP38 QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy It's going to be interesting to see how this kind of thing progresses, not only to see what kinds of technology are brought in, but also to see what kinds of new jobs are created and how many of the old ones will be axed. Some please explain to my feeble short line mind how cutting half the operation positions......IE conductors creates jobs????????????[zzz]
QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar Ok. Put one man crew (Why are we using the word crew anyway? That's plural) on that train UP. The very first busted coupler you see on that train 100 miles from anythingville is going to be the one that halts that division. Or even that through train has to sit sometime at a red signal. Perhaps that engineer goes to sleep while waiting for it to turn green again. Who is going to be the one to be sent to wake him or her up? Or worse yet... some kind of freak accident that breaks the boot of the engineer and causes a injury that must be tended to right now. Who is going to be found to be sent out to drive that train huh?
QUOTE: Originally posted by DPD1 QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar Ok. Put one man crew (Why are we using the word crew anyway? That's plural) on that train UP. The very first busted coupler you see on that train 100 miles from anythingville is going to be the one that halts that division. Or even that through train has to sit sometime at a red signal. Perhaps that engineer goes to sleep while waiting for it to turn green again. Who is going to be the one to be sent to wake him or her up? Or worse yet... some kind of freak accident that breaks the boot of the engineer and causes a injury that must be tended to right now. Who is going to be found to be sent out to drive that train huh? And how about the poor sob that hits somebody... What does he do? Get down out of the cab and leave it unattended, away from the radio, while he walks the train in the dark waiting to come upon some nightmare all by himself? Dave -DPD Productions - Featuring the NEW TrainTenna LP Directional RR Radio Monitoring Antenna- http://eje.railfan.net/dpdp/
QUOTE: Originally posted by jason1 In a single person operation what would happen if the train is running along and the engineer has a heart attack? I realize that the software would automatically stop the train. But, what if for some reason it fails? It sounds very much like the railroads are assuming that these systems will never fail. And that is a very dangerous assumption. Or suppose something happens during an inspection of the train. The engineer falls or gets his hand or leg caught in something. The engineer will have a radio and probably a cell phone. What if they both fail? I know its not likely, but it could still happen. And then we have no man trains. Sounds great in theory. However, what happens if something fails and the train stops and no one is aboard to fix it? Some of these trains run in pretty remote locations, and it would take awhile for someone to get out and fix it. Meanwhile, the train sits and ties up the railroad or blocks road crossings. I don't think the latter will endear the operation to the public. That would be the best case scenario. I think everyone in here knows what the worst case scenario is. In short, single person trains/ no person trains are a disaster waiting to happen. I will never support these operations no matter how good technology gets. I'd also like to hear what the public has to say about this.
QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar Trouble shooter/ HAH! They better be good troubleshooters. What does it take to troubleshoot a train? In trucking we call the dispatcher (Satellite, cellphone or payphone) Dispatcher routes to the shop. Shop asks all kinds of questions. 1 hour gone.... Shop finally gets back to you and let's you know what to do or to expect help... You wait some more... 1 to however many hours gone. Help arrives... Bends over busted part and says "I dont have that part with me" and "Will need to go back to the shop to get (Insert reason) That is for trucking. I know very little about breakdown recovery on trains. But I will imagine very many people within the company would want to talk to this one engineer with penetrating questions and grilling to get the story. The only troubleshooters I have respect for are Licensed and trained people who actually build/work on the machine that is broken. Like Carrier or Transicold for example.. they are a great example on how to recover a reefer unit on a truck or train. I support the trouble shooter idea provided they are paid and trained well. Seems to me everywhere a railroad or company turns to try and cut costs, even more costs are incurred.
QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar Thanks for the lesson LC, I understand it a little better now. =)
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Ya well how about NO MAN CREW TRAINS? Trains on the Main line running them selves without no crews at all. Just think,Won't have no one to wave at. According to the UP that day is a coming!
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