QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan [8)]Now this was really bizarre. Today as I pulled up to watch trains at the BNSF Eola Yard in Aurora my buddies were all in a tizzy and looing at a train stopped for a westbound signal. It had a very clean NS older SD40 (in black with the horse logo), than one empty flat followed by three dark blue box cars lettered DOD, followed by one more empty flat, followed by a very clean jet black way car (caboose) also lettered DOD[:p]. We believe this was a Depertment of Defense train of some sort, but only one unit...five cars and a way car. It sat at the waiting for its westbound signal only about five minutes then took off like a rocket. While sitting still, one of my buddies drove his car up the track on a side road and stopped righ adjacent to the way car and looked for a moment and then took a few photos of the way car. Well, he came back and told us there was at least one guy in the way car who "stared him down" [B)]through the window....MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THEY WERE TRANSPORTING, DOESN' IT[?]
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Originally posted by eolafan Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 9:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Nukes? [?][?] Originally posted by eolafan [:0] Not likely. I am sure if they were nukes they would not have stopped the train under virtually any circumstances and also they would have had some other form of protection (helicopters, etc.) rather than simply the crew of DOD people. Also, if you want to keep things quiet, you certainly don't paint DOD all over the cars, now do you? Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply locomutt Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Louisville,Ky. 5,077 posts Posted by locomutt on Monday, April 25, 2005 9:38 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan [8)]Now this was really bizarre. Today as I pulled up to watch trains at the BNSF Eola Yard in Aurora my buddies were all in a tizzy and looing at a train stopped for a westbound signal. It had a very clean NS older SD40 (in black with the horse logo), than one empty flat followed by three dark blue box cars lettered DOD, followed by one more empty flat, followed by a very clean jet black way car (caboose) also lettered DOD[:p]. We believe this was a Depertment of Defense train of some sort, but only one unit...five cars and a way car. It sat at the waiting for its westbound signal only about five minutes then took off like a rocket. While sitting still, one of my buddies drove his car up the track on a side road and stopped righ adjacent to the way car and looked for a moment and then took a few photos of the way car. Well, he came back and told us there was at least one guy in the way car who "stared him down" [B)]through the window....MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THEY WERE TRANSPORTING, DOESN' IT[?] That is interesting;all the D.O.D. cars I've seen are all either "Military Green" or "Pullman Green". We get to see a few of them around here,especially on the P & L,as it serves Ft. Knox,which isn't that far from us.(we can hear the 'guns' sometimes) See a lot of 'flats',but not very many boxcars. Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 9:55 AM There was a CSX lashup blasted thru my area southbound with a stack of DOD flats some time ago. Just empty flats. Probably bound for the ports on the gulf. What was interesting about the flats was some had 6 wheel trucks and were painted a sort of a green color. Three trains in total came thru that day totaly as fast as the track can stand. I think someone is shipping a division somewhere to somehere back then. Reply Edit eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 10:00 AM I assumed the flats on "my" train were buffer cars of some sort, but the question is "buffering what". Very intrigueing, wouldn't you say? Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 25, 2005 10:01 AM I saw something really bizzar a while back. About 4 years ago, when I lived in Stevenson,Wa., I was out in the middle of the night doing some work on the cable system I ran. It was work that caused outages so I did it at the deadest time of the week when everyone was asleep. While driving home I came upon this train. It was led by a BN green GP38-2. Behind the loco was a empty single well platform. Next was another single well with 2 40' intermodial containers on it with no identification on them other than big "radioactive" symbols. The platform itself had orange beacon lights on all four corners, and all were turned on (quite a display). The last car was another empty well. The train was going 30mph in a 50 zone and was headed eastbound (on the Columbia river george line 50 miles east of Vancouver. I always wondered what they were sneeking by us in the middle of the night. Also, I have been taking pictures and had military personal ask me not to take pictures of military trains. Once in West Colton on the pepper street overpass, and once out in Dagget. Both times they were very polite and didn't hassle me at all. Naturaly I complied. Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Monday, April 25, 2005 10:04 AM Hmmm, maybe the boxcars had shackles in them....................or illegal aliens (the ET kind) [;)]. Or maybe the flats just gave the Agents a clear field of fire... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 25, 2005 10:05 AM What else could be such a super secret? Gold? Helly's are just not that secret to deserve such treatment. [?][?][?] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ChrisBARailfan Member sinceApril 2005 From: Kansas City, MO 100 posts Posted by ChrisBARailfan on Monday, April 25, 2005 1:05 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Nukes? [?][?] Originally posted by eolafan My grandfather worked for 30 years for ABF Motorfreight and used to pick up unplacard trailers with munitions and nuclear parts from both Kansas City Bendix and Sunflower Depot. Some of the trailers had lead inserts, but none of the trailers ever had any sort of identifiable mark. Hiding in plain site. Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:07 PM There are fleets of trucks that all they do is haul goverment freight. I used to pull the occasinal load and I hauled some stuff that would make your eyeballs bug out if you knew what it was. Some loads I hauled for just standard compaines were scary enough. I had one load the product weighed 5000 lbs but the 17 tons of dry ice with was enough to make me realize that this stuff was nasty. If the load ran out of the dry ice and warmed up to room temp it would burst into flame on its own. If it did I was told to run as fast as I could to get away from it. Got to the reciver had 3 tons left of dry ice. Still makes you wonder. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:54 PM DODX cars can be in any color. Years ago the ones that serviced a facility near where I lived were all painted gray - until the press started referring to it as the "Gray Train". After that the color schemes got more creative. But the goal is the same -- hide in plain site. dd Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Hmmm, maybe the boxcars had shackles in them....................or illegal aliens (the ET kind) [;)]. Or maybe the flats just gave the Agents a clear field of fire... Don't start that again! Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:47 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan [8)]Now this was really bizarre. Today as I pulled up to watch trains at the BNSF Eola Yard in Aurora my buddies were all in a tizzy and looing at a train stopped for a westbound signal. It had a very clean NS older SD40 (in black with the horse logo), than one empty flat followed by three dark blue box cars lettered DOD, followed by one more empty flat, followed by a very clean jet black way car (caboose) also lettered DOD[:p]. We believe this was a Depertment of Defense train of some sort, but only one unit...five cars and a way car. It sat at the waiting for its westbound signal only about five minutes then took off like a rocket. While sitting still, one of my buddies drove his car up the track on a side road and stopped righ adjacent to the way car and looked for a moment and then took a few photos of the way car. Well, he came back and told us there was at least one guy in the way car who "stared him down" [B)]through the window....MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THEY WERE TRANSPORTING, DOESN' IT[?] [:p]Darn it, Jim! Why is it you alway get to see all the really cool stuff. Only DOD stuff I've seen lately was troop trucks. Not nearly as fun![:p] If only Eola was closer to me I would be the one seeing the cool stuff. Gives me an idea for a great devious plan...muhahaaa[}:)] Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:08 PM Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:14 PM I have had some loads that were puzzles. A very good friend of mine swore on a stack of bibles that a covered wagon (Not locomotives) passed his rig late at night and both stopped for a restroom break. The escort vehicles shooed my friend out of the area but not before he saw straps straining at a load that had no visible support between it and the entire trailer deck below it. The trailer frame was aluminum and usually has a upward bow when empty. This trailer was straight flat with compressed suspensions under a load. I believe my friend. Problem is... who else knows about this load or has heard this story? Perhaps this actually happened and perhaps again it is a fable. Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim I've been there once (near the propane company at the east end of the yard) and had a good time. Lately the schedule hasn't allowed me to do much railfanning at all. Where is your favorite place to watch from at Eola? Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:33 PM Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:40 PM Maybe it was a decoy like they used to use back in my trucking days. Two or three very official looking escorted convoys would roll out loaded with many 55 gallon drums of water. Then later the 'real' load would slip away in a non-descript, dirty old Freighliner pulling a reefer escorted ahead and behind by equally non-descript passenger vehicles, but aptly equipped to handle any problems. Where's Mulder and Scully when you need them?! :) Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. Jim, I'll drop you a line next time I'm headed that way! Hopefully it'll be soon, I'm dying to get trackside.[:)] Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 25, 2005 6:03 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply M636C Member sinceJanuary 2002 4,612 posts Posted by M636C on Monday, April 25, 2005 8:34 PM A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:07 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO [xx(] Chris, I have driven over the old rickety bridge many times back in the 1970's but they built a really upscale subdivision on the North side of the yard beginning in the 1980's and the bridge had to go (imagine $750,000 plus homes right next to a really busy rail yard and nobody compains!). Well, the area has really changed. Until about six or seven years ago Eola Road was two lanes of really sleepy road but it could get really backed up at either rush hour and especially when trains would block the old Eola Rd. crossing at the main (it has eight tracks to cross there) so they built the overpass and Eola is now four lanes in total and can still get very busy but the difference is now cars go 60 mph plus in a 40 mph zone (really scarey some times!). The McClure Road crossing near the yard offices is now THE spot to watch trains, only wi***he westbound signals were easier to see from the little parking lot (they are just about fifty yards to the east of the lot and impossible to see from that angle, the eastbound signals are about a half mile to the east and pretty easy to see espeically with binoculars). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:08 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter BINGO!!!! Reply DPD1 Member sinceAugust 2004 484 posts Posted by DPD1 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO I don't miss it... Two guys almost killed me there when I was 12 and tried to get me in their car. You would think something like that could never happen in a bunch of corn fields, but it did. Needless to say, I never went back again after that. I also never put myself in that kind of position again either. Which is a good lesson for the younger train fans... Never put yourself in a place where people can harm you, just for the sake of seeing trains. FYI... This guy shot some USN box cars, but they are white. http://www.trainweb.org/phillynrhs/RPOTD050426.html I'm not sure if there's any rhyme or reason to the colors. Dave -DPD Productions - Featuring the TrainTenna RR Radio Monitoring Antennas- http://eje.railfan.net/dpdp/ Reply dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:37 PM Those were painted white during the shackle modifications. Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Nukes? [?][?] Originally posted by eolafan [:0] Not likely. I am sure if they were nukes they would not have stopped the train under virtually any circumstances and also they would have had some other form of protection (helicopters, etc.) rather than simply the crew of DOD people. Also, if you want to keep things quiet, you certainly don't paint DOD all over the cars, now do you? Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply locomutt Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Louisville,Ky. 5,077 posts Posted by locomutt on Monday, April 25, 2005 9:38 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan [8)]Now this was really bizarre. Today as I pulled up to watch trains at the BNSF Eola Yard in Aurora my buddies were all in a tizzy and looing at a train stopped for a westbound signal. It had a very clean NS older SD40 (in black with the horse logo), than one empty flat followed by three dark blue box cars lettered DOD, followed by one more empty flat, followed by a very clean jet black way car (caboose) also lettered DOD[:p]. We believe this was a Depertment of Defense train of some sort, but only one unit...five cars and a way car. It sat at the waiting for its westbound signal only about five minutes then took off like a rocket. While sitting still, one of my buddies drove his car up the track on a side road and stopped righ adjacent to the way car and looked for a moment and then took a few photos of the way car. Well, he came back and told us there was at least one guy in the way car who "stared him down" [B)]through the window....MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THEY WERE TRANSPORTING, DOESN' IT[?] That is interesting;all the D.O.D. cars I've seen are all either "Military Green" or "Pullman Green". We get to see a few of them around here,especially on the P & L,as it serves Ft. Knox,which isn't that far from us.(we can hear the 'guns' sometimes) See a lot of 'flats',but not very many boxcars. Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 9:55 AM There was a CSX lashup blasted thru my area southbound with a stack of DOD flats some time ago. Just empty flats. Probably bound for the ports on the gulf. What was interesting about the flats was some had 6 wheel trucks and were painted a sort of a green color. Three trains in total came thru that day totaly as fast as the track can stand. I think someone is shipping a division somewhere to somehere back then. Reply Edit eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 10:00 AM I assumed the flats on "my" train were buffer cars of some sort, but the question is "buffering what". Very intrigueing, wouldn't you say? Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 25, 2005 10:01 AM I saw something really bizzar a while back. About 4 years ago, when I lived in Stevenson,Wa., I was out in the middle of the night doing some work on the cable system I ran. It was work that caused outages so I did it at the deadest time of the week when everyone was asleep. While driving home I came upon this train. It was led by a BN green GP38-2. Behind the loco was a empty single well platform. Next was another single well with 2 40' intermodial containers on it with no identification on them other than big "radioactive" symbols. The platform itself had orange beacon lights on all four corners, and all were turned on (quite a display). The last car was another empty well. The train was going 30mph in a 50 zone and was headed eastbound (on the Columbia river george line 50 miles east of Vancouver. I always wondered what they were sneeking by us in the middle of the night. Also, I have been taking pictures and had military personal ask me not to take pictures of military trains. Once in West Colton on the pepper street overpass, and once out in Dagget. Both times they were very polite and didn't hassle me at all. Naturaly I complied. Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Monday, April 25, 2005 10:04 AM Hmmm, maybe the boxcars had shackles in them....................or illegal aliens (the ET kind) [;)]. Or maybe the flats just gave the Agents a clear field of fire... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 25, 2005 10:05 AM What else could be such a super secret? Gold? Helly's are just not that secret to deserve such treatment. [?][?][?] Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ChrisBARailfan Member sinceApril 2005 From: Kansas City, MO 100 posts Posted by ChrisBARailfan on Monday, April 25, 2005 1:05 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Nukes? [?][?] Originally posted by eolafan My grandfather worked for 30 years for ABF Motorfreight and used to pick up unplacard trailers with munitions and nuclear parts from both Kansas City Bendix and Sunflower Depot. Some of the trailers had lead inserts, but none of the trailers ever had any sort of identifiable mark. Hiding in plain site. Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:07 PM There are fleets of trucks that all they do is haul goverment freight. I used to pull the occasinal load and I hauled some stuff that would make your eyeballs bug out if you knew what it was. Some loads I hauled for just standard compaines were scary enough. I had one load the product weighed 5000 lbs but the 17 tons of dry ice with was enough to make me realize that this stuff was nasty. If the load ran out of the dry ice and warmed up to room temp it would burst into flame on its own. If it did I was told to run as fast as I could to get away from it. Got to the reciver had 3 tons left of dry ice. Still makes you wonder. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:54 PM DODX cars can be in any color. Years ago the ones that serviced a facility near where I lived were all painted gray - until the press started referring to it as the "Gray Train". After that the color schemes got more creative. But the goal is the same -- hide in plain site. dd Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Hmmm, maybe the boxcars had shackles in them....................or illegal aliens (the ET kind) [;)]. Or maybe the flats just gave the Agents a clear field of fire... Don't start that again! Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:47 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan [8)]Now this was really bizarre. Today as I pulled up to watch trains at the BNSF Eola Yard in Aurora my buddies were all in a tizzy and looing at a train stopped for a westbound signal. It had a very clean NS older SD40 (in black with the horse logo), than one empty flat followed by three dark blue box cars lettered DOD, followed by one more empty flat, followed by a very clean jet black way car (caboose) also lettered DOD[:p]. We believe this was a Depertment of Defense train of some sort, but only one unit...five cars and a way car. It sat at the waiting for its westbound signal only about five minutes then took off like a rocket. While sitting still, one of my buddies drove his car up the track on a side road and stopped righ adjacent to the way car and looked for a moment and then took a few photos of the way car. Well, he came back and told us there was at least one guy in the way car who "stared him down" [B)]through the window....MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THEY WERE TRANSPORTING, DOESN' IT[?] [:p]Darn it, Jim! Why is it you alway get to see all the really cool stuff. Only DOD stuff I've seen lately was troop trucks. Not nearly as fun![:p] If only Eola was closer to me I would be the one seeing the cool stuff. Gives me an idea for a great devious plan...muhahaaa[}:)] Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:08 PM Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:14 PM I have had some loads that were puzzles. A very good friend of mine swore on a stack of bibles that a covered wagon (Not locomotives) passed his rig late at night and both stopped for a restroom break. The escort vehicles shooed my friend out of the area but not before he saw straps straining at a load that had no visible support between it and the entire trailer deck below it. The trailer frame was aluminum and usually has a upward bow when empty. This trailer was straight flat with compressed suspensions under a load. I believe my friend. Problem is... who else knows about this load or has heard this story? Perhaps this actually happened and perhaps again it is a fable. Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim I've been there once (near the propane company at the east end of the yard) and had a good time. Lately the schedule hasn't allowed me to do much railfanning at all. Where is your favorite place to watch from at Eola? Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:33 PM Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:40 PM Maybe it was a decoy like they used to use back in my trucking days. Two or three very official looking escorted convoys would roll out loaded with many 55 gallon drums of water. Then later the 'real' load would slip away in a non-descript, dirty old Freighliner pulling a reefer escorted ahead and behind by equally non-descript passenger vehicles, but aptly equipped to handle any problems. Where's Mulder and Scully when you need them?! :) Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. Jim, I'll drop you a line next time I'm headed that way! Hopefully it'll be soon, I'm dying to get trackside.[:)] Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 25, 2005 6:03 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply M636C Member sinceJanuary 2002 4,612 posts Posted by M636C on Monday, April 25, 2005 8:34 PM A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:07 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO [xx(] Chris, I have driven over the old rickety bridge many times back in the 1970's but they built a really upscale subdivision on the North side of the yard beginning in the 1980's and the bridge had to go (imagine $750,000 plus homes right next to a really busy rail yard and nobody compains!). Well, the area has really changed. Until about six or seven years ago Eola Road was two lanes of really sleepy road but it could get really backed up at either rush hour and especially when trains would block the old Eola Rd. crossing at the main (it has eight tracks to cross there) so they built the overpass and Eola is now four lanes in total and can still get very busy but the difference is now cars go 60 mph plus in a 40 mph zone (really scarey some times!). The McClure Road crossing near the yard offices is now THE spot to watch trains, only wi***he westbound signals were easier to see from the little parking lot (they are just about fifty yards to the east of the lot and impossible to see from that angle, the eastbound signals are about a half mile to the east and pretty easy to see espeically with binoculars). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:08 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter BINGO!!!! Reply DPD1 Member sinceAugust 2004 484 posts Posted by DPD1 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO I don't miss it... Two guys almost killed me there when I was 12 and tried to get me in their car. You would think something like that could never happen in a bunch of corn fields, but it did. Needless to say, I never went back again after that. I also never put myself in that kind of position again either. Which is a good lesson for the younger train fans... Never put yourself in a place where people can harm you, just for the sake of seeing trains. FYI... This guy shot some USN box cars, but they are white. http://www.trainweb.org/phillynrhs/RPOTD050426.html I'm not sure if there's any rhyme or reason to the colors. Dave -DPD Productions - Featuring the TrainTenna RR Radio Monitoring Antennas- http://eje.railfan.net/dpdp/ Reply dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:37 PM Those were painted white during the shackle modifications. Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. 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Originally posted by eolafan Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ChrisBARailfan Member sinceApril 2005 From: Kansas City, MO 100 posts Posted by ChrisBARailfan on Monday, April 25, 2005 1:05 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Nukes? [?][?] Originally posted by eolafan My grandfather worked for 30 years for ABF Motorfreight and used to pick up unplacard trailers with munitions and nuclear parts from both Kansas City Bendix and Sunflower Depot. Some of the trailers had lead inserts, but none of the trailers ever had any sort of identifiable mark. Hiding in plain site. Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:07 PM There are fleets of trucks that all they do is haul goverment freight. I used to pull the occasinal load and I hauled some stuff that would make your eyeballs bug out if you knew what it was. Some loads I hauled for just standard compaines were scary enough. I had one load the product weighed 5000 lbs but the 17 tons of dry ice with was enough to make me realize that this stuff was nasty. If the load ran out of the dry ice and warmed up to room temp it would burst into flame on its own. If it did I was told to run as fast as I could to get away from it. Got to the reciver had 3 tons left of dry ice. Still makes you wonder. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:54 PM DODX cars can be in any color. Years ago the ones that serviced a facility near where I lived were all painted gray - until the press started referring to it as the "Gray Train". After that the color schemes got more creative. But the goal is the same -- hide in plain site. dd Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Hmmm, maybe the boxcars had shackles in them....................or illegal aliens (the ET kind) [;)]. Or maybe the flats just gave the Agents a clear field of fire... Don't start that again! Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:47 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan [8)]Now this was really bizarre. Today as I pulled up to watch trains at the BNSF Eola Yard in Aurora my buddies were all in a tizzy and looing at a train stopped for a westbound signal. It had a very clean NS older SD40 (in black with the horse logo), than one empty flat followed by three dark blue box cars lettered DOD, followed by one more empty flat, followed by a very clean jet black way car (caboose) also lettered DOD[:p]. We believe this was a Depertment of Defense train of some sort, but only one unit...five cars and a way car. It sat at the waiting for its westbound signal only about five minutes then took off like a rocket. While sitting still, one of my buddies drove his car up the track on a side road and stopped righ adjacent to the way car and looked for a moment and then took a few photos of the way car. Well, he came back and told us there was at least one guy in the way car who "stared him down" [B)]through the window....MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THEY WERE TRANSPORTING, DOESN' IT[?] [:p]Darn it, Jim! Why is it you alway get to see all the really cool stuff. Only DOD stuff I've seen lately was troop trucks. Not nearly as fun![:p] If only Eola was closer to me I would be the one seeing the cool stuff. Gives me an idea for a great devious plan...muhahaaa[}:)] Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:08 PM Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:14 PM I have had some loads that were puzzles. A very good friend of mine swore on a stack of bibles that a covered wagon (Not locomotives) passed his rig late at night and both stopped for a restroom break. The escort vehicles shooed my friend out of the area but not before he saw straps straining at a load that had no visible support between it and the entire trailer deck below it. The trailer frame was aluminum and usually has a upward bow when empty. This trailer was straight flat with compressed suspensions under a load. I believe my friend. Problem is... who else knows about this load or has heard this story? Perhaps this actually happened and perhaps again it is a fable. Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim I've been there once (near the propane company at the east end of the yard) and had a good time. Lately the schedule hasn't allowed me to do much railfanning at all. Where is your favorite place to watch from at Eola? Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:33 PM Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:40 PM Maybe it was a decoy like they used to use back in my trucking days. Two or three very official looking escorted convoys would roll out loaded with many 55 gallon drums of water. Then later the 'real' load would slip away in a non-descript, dirty old Freighliner pulling a reefer escorted ahead and behind by equally non-descript passenger vehicles, but aptly equipped to handle any problems. Where's Mulder and Scully when you need them?! :) Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. Jim, I'll drop you a line next time I'm headed that way! Hopefully it'll be soon, I'm dying to get trackside.[:)] Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 25, 2005 6:03 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply M636C Member sinceJanuary 2002 4,612 posts Posted by M636C on Monday, April 25, 2005 8:34 PM A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:07 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO [xx(] Chris, I have driven over the old rickety bridge many times back in the 1970's but they built a really upscale subdivision on the North side of the yard beginning in the 1980's and the bridge had to go (imagine $750,000 plus homes right next to a really busy rail yard and nobody compains!). Well, the area has really changed. Until about six or seven years ago Eola Road was two lanes of really sleepy road but it could get really backed up at either rush hour and especially when trains would block the old Eola Rd. crossing at the main (it has eight tracks to cross there) so they built the overpass and Eola is now four lanes in total and can still get very busy but the difference is now cars go 60 mph plus in a 40 mph zone (really scarey some times!). The McClure Road crossing near the yard offices is now THE spot to watch trains, only wi***he westbound signals were easier to see from the little parking lot (they are just about fifty yards to the east of the lot and impossible to see from that angle, the eastbound signals are about a half mile to the east and pretty easy to see espeically with binoculars). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:08 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter BINGO!!!! Reply DPD1 Member sinceAugust 2004 484 posts Posted by DPD1 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO I don't miss it... Two guys almost killed me there when I was 12 and tried to get me in their car. You would think something like that could never happen in a bunch of corn fields, but it did. Needless to say, I never went back again after that. I also never put myself in that kind of position again either. Which is a good lesson for the younger train fans... Never put yourself in a place where people can harm you, just for the sake of seeing trains. FYI... This guy shot some USN box cars, but they are white. http://www.trainweb.org/phillynrhs/RPOTD050426.html I'm not sure if there's any rhyme or reason to the colors. Dave -DPD Productions - Featuring the TrainTenna RR Radio Monitoring Antennas- http://eje.railfan.net/dpdp/ Reply dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:37 PM Those were painted white during the shackle modifications. Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ChrisBARailfan Member sinceApril 2005 From: Kansas City, MO 100 posts Posted by ChrisBARailfan on Monday, April 25, 2005 1:05 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Nukes? [?][?] Originally posted by eolafan My grandfather worked for 30 years for ABF Motorfreight and used to pick up unplacard trailers with munitions and nuclear parts from both Kansas City Bendix and Sunflower Depot. Some of the trailers had lead inserts, but none of the trailers ever had any sort of identifiable mark. Hiding in plain site. Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:07 PM There are fleets of trucks that all they do is haul goverment freight. I used to pull the occasinal load and I hauled some stuff that would make your eyeballs bug out if you knew what it was. Some loads I hauled for just standard compaines were scary enough. I had one load the product weighed 5000 lbs but the 17 tons of dry ice with was enough to make me realize that this stuff was nasty. If the load ran out of the dry ice and warmed up to room temp it would burst into flame on its own. If it did I was told to run as fast as I could to get away from it. Got to the reciver had 3 tons left of dry ice. Still makes you wonder. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:54 PM DODX cars can be in any color. Years ago the ones that serviced a facility near where I lived were all painted gray - until the press started referring to it as the "Gray Train". After that the color schemes got more creative. But the goal is the same -- hide in plain site. dd Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Hmmm, maybe the boxcars had shackles in them....................or illegal aliens (the ET kind) [;)]. Or maybe the flats just gave the Agents a clear field of fire... Don't start that again! Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:47 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan [8)]Now this was really bizarre. Today as I pulled up to watch trains at the BNSF Eola Yard in Aurora my buddies were all in a tizzy and looing at a train stopped for a westbound signal. It had a very clean NS older SD40 (in black with the horse logo), than one empty flat followed by three dark blue box cars lettered DOD, followed by one more empty flat, followed by a very clean jet black way car (caboose) also lettered DOD[:p]. We believe this was a Depertment of Defense train of some sort, but only one unit...five cars and a way car. It sat at the waiting for its westbound signal only about five minutes then took off like a rocket. While sitting still, one of my buddies drove his car up the track on a side road and stopped righ adjacent to the way car and looked for a moment and then took a few photos of the way car. Well, he came back and told us there was at least one guy in the way car who "stared him down" [B)]through the window....MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THEY WERE TRANSPORTING, DOESN' IT[?] [:p]Darn it, Jim! Why is it you alway get to see all the really cool stuff. Only DOD stuff I've seen lately was troop trucks. Not nearly as fun![:p] If only Eola was closer to me I would be the one seeing the cool stuff. Gives me an idea for a great devious plan...muhahaaa[}:)] Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:08 PM Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:14 PM I have had some loads that were puzzles. A very good friend of mine swore on a stack of bibles that a covered wagon (Not locomotives) passed his rig late at night and both stopped for a restroom break. The escort vehicles shooed my friend out of the area but not before he saw straps straining at a load that had no visible support between it and the entire trailer deck below it. The trailer frame was aluminum and usually has a upward bow when empty. This trailer was straight flat with compressed suspensions under a load. I believe my friend. Problem is... who else knows about this load or has heard this story? Perhaps this actually happened and perhaps again it is a fable. Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim I've been there once (near the propane company at the east end of the yard) and had a good time. Lately the schedule hasn't allowed me to do much railfanning at all. Where is your favorite place to watch from at Eola? Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:33 PM Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:40 PM Maybe it was a decoy like they used to use back in my trucking days. Two or three very official looking escorted convoys would roll out loaded with many 55 gallon drums of water. Then later the 'real' load would slip away in a non-descript, dirty old Freighliner pulling a reefer escorted ahead and behind by equally non-descript passenger vehicles, but aptly equipped to handle any problems. Where's Mulder and Scully when you need them?! :) Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. Jim, I'll drop you a line next time I'm headed that way! Hopefully it'll be soon, I'm dying to get trackside.[:)] Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 25, 2005 6:03 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply M636C Member sinceJanuary 2002 4,612 posts Posted by M636C on Monday, April 25, 2005 8:34 PM A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:07 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO [xx(] Chris, I have driven over the old rickety bridge many times back in the 1970's but they built a really upscale subdivision on the North side of the yard beginning in the 1980's and the bridge had to go (imagine $750,000 plus homes right next to a really busy rail yard and nobody compains!). Well, the area has really changed. Until about six or seven years ago Eola Road was two lanes of really sleepy road but it could get really backed up at either rush hour and especially when trains would block the old Eola Rd. crossing at the main (it has eight tracks to cross there) so they built the overpass and Eola is now four lanes in total and can still get very busy but the difference is now cars go 60 mph plus in a 40 mph zone (really scarey some times!). The McClure Road crossing near the yard offices is now THE spot to watch trains, only wi***he westbound signals were easier to see from the little parking lot (they are just about fifty yards to the east of the lot and impossible to see from that angle, the eastbound signals are about a half mile to the east and pretty easy to see espeically with binoculars). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:08 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter BINGO!!!! Reply DPD1 Member sinceAugust 2004 484 posts Posted by DPD1 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO I don't miss it... Two guys almost killed me there when I was 12 and tried to get me in their car. You would think something like that could never happen in a bunch of corn fields, but it did. Needless to say, I never went back again after that. I also never put myself in that kind of position again either. Which is a good lesson for the younger train fans... Never put yourself in a place where people can harm you, just for the sake of seeing trains. FYI... This guy shot some USN box cars, but they are white. http://www.trainweb.org/phillynrhs/RPOTD050426.html I'm not sure if there's any rhyme or reason to the colors. Dave -DPD Productions - Featuring the TrainTenna RR Radio Monitoring Antennas- http://eje.railfan.net/dpdp/ Reply dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:37 PM Those were painted white during the shackle modifications. Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Nukes? [?][?] Originally posted by eolafan My grandfather worked for 30 years for ABF Motorfreight and used to pick up unplacard trailers with munitions and nuclear parts from both Kansas City Bendix and Sunflower Depot. Some of the trailers had lead inserts, but none of the trailers ever had any sort of identifiable mark. Hiding in plain site. Reply edbenton Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: Back home on the Chi to KC racetrack 2,011 posts Posted by edbenton on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:07 PM There are fleets of trucks that all they do is haul goverment freight. I used to pull the occasinal load and I hauled some stuff that would make your eyeballs bug out if you knew what it was. Some loads I hauled for just standard compaines were scary enough. I had one load the product weighed 5000 lbs but the 17 tons of dry ice with was enough to make me realize that this stuff was nasty. If the load ran out of the dry ice and warmed up to room temp it would burst into flame on its own. If it did I was told to run as fast as I could to get away from it. Got to the reciver had 3 tons left of dry ice. Still makes you wonder. Always at war with those that think OTR trucking is EASY. Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Monday, April 25, 2005 3:54 PM DODX cars can be in any color. Years ago the ones that serviced a facility near where I lived were all painted gray - until the press started referring to it as the "Gray Train". After that the color schemes got more creative. But the goal is the same -- hide in plain site. dd Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:23 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Hmmm, maybe the boxcars had shackles in them....................or illegal aliens (the ET kind) [;)]. Or maybe the flats just gave the Agents a clear field of fire... Don't start that again! Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 4:47 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan [8)]Now this was really bizarre. Today as I pulled up to watch trains at the BNSF Eola Yard in Aurora my buddies were all in a tizzy and looing at a train stopped for a westbound signal. It had a very clean NS older SD40 (in black with the horse logo), than one empty flat followed by three dark blue box cars lettered DOD, followed by one more empty flat, followed by a very clean jet black way car (caboose) also lettered DOD[:p]. We believe this was a Depertment of Defense train of some sort, but only one unit...five cars and a way car. It sat at the waiting for its westbound signal only about five minutes then took off like a rocket. While sitting still, one of my buddies drove his car up the track on a side road and stopped righ adjacent to the way car and looked for a moment and then took a few photos of the way car. Well, he came back and told us there was at least one guy in the way car who "stared him down" [B)]through the window....MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THEY WERE TRANSPORTING, DOESN' IT[?] [:p]Darn it, Jim! Why is it you alway get to see all the really cool stuff. Only DOD stuff I've seen lately was troop trucks. Not nearly as fun![:p] If only Eola was closer to me I would be the one seeing the cool stuff. Gives me an idea for a great devious plan...muhahaaa[}:)] Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:08 PM Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:14 PM I have had some loads that were puzzles. A very good friend of mine swore on a stack of bibles that a covered wagon (Not locomotives) passed his rig late at night and both stopped for a restroom break. The escort vehicles shooed my friend out of the area but not before he saw straps straining at a load that had no visible support between it and the entire trailer deck below it. The trailer frame was aluminum and usually has a upward bow when empty. This trailer was straight flat with compressed suspensions under a load. I believe my friend. Problem is... who else knows about this load or has heard this story? Perhaps this actually happened and perhaps again it is a fable. Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:27 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim I've been there once (near the propane company at the east end of the yard) and had a good time. Lately the schedule hasn't allowed me to do much railfanning at all. Where is your favorite place to watch from at Eola? Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:33 PM Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:40 PM Maybe it was a decoy like they used to use back in my trucking days. Two or three very official looking escorted convoys would roll out loaded with many 55 gallon drums of water. Then later the 'real' load would slip away in a non-descript, dirty old Freighliner pulling a reefer escorted ahead and behind by equally non-descript passenger vehicles, but aptly equipped to handle any problems. Where's Mulder and Scully when you need them?! :) Reply Edit techguy57 Member sinceAugust 2003 From: NW Chicago 591 posts Posted by techguy57 on Monday, April 25, 2005 5:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. Jim, I'll drop you a line next time I'm headed that way! Hopefully it'll be soon, I'm dying to get trackside.[:)] Mike techguy "Beware the lollipop of mediocrity. Lick it once and you suck forever." - Anonymous Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 25, 2005 6:03 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply M636C Member sinceJanuary 2002 4,612 posts Posted by M636C on Monday, April 25, 2005 8:34 PM A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter Reply eolafan Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Aurora, IL 4,515 posts Posted by eolafan on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:07 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO [xx(] Chris, I have driven over the old rickety bridge many times back in the 1970's but they built a really upscale subdivision on the North side of the yard beginning in the 1980's and the bridge had to go (imagine $750,000 plus homes right next to a really busy rail yard and nobody compains!). Well, the area has really changed. Until about six or seven years ago Eola Road was two lanes of really sleepy road but it could get really backed up at either rush hour and especially when trains would block the old Eola Rd. crossing at the main (it has eight tracks to cross there) so they built the overpass and Eola is now four lanes in total and can still get very busy but the difference is now cars go 60 mph plus in a 40 mph zone (really scarey some times!). The McClure Road crossing near the yard offices is now THE spot to watch trains, only wi***he westbound signals were easier to see from the little parking lot (they are just about fifty yards to the east of the lot and impossible to see from that angle, the eastbound signals are about a half mile to the east and pretty easy to see espeically with binoculars). Eolafan (a.k.a. Jim) Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:08 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter BINGO!!!! Reply DPD1 Member sinceAugust 2004 484 posts Posted by DPD1 on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:33 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO I don't miss it... Two guys almost killed me there when I was 12 and tried to get me in their car. You would think something like that could never happen in a bunch of corn fields, but it did. Needless to say, I never went back again after that. I also never put myself in that kind of position again either. Which is a good lesson for the younger train fans... Never put yourself in a place where people can harm you, just for the sake of seeing trains. FYI... This guy shot some USN box cars, but they are white. http://www.trainweb.org/phillynrhs/RPOTD050426.html I'm not sure if there's any rhyme or reason to the colors. Dave -DPD Productions - Featuring the TrainTenna RR Radio Monitoring Antennas- http://eje.railfan.net/dpdp/ Reply dharmon Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Bottom Left Corner, USA 3,420 posts Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:37 PM Those were painted white during the shackle modifications. Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Hmmm, maybe the boxcars had shackles in them....................or illegal aliens (the ET kind) [;)]. Or maybe the flats just gave the Agents a clear field of fire...
QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, come on down to Eola any time and see all the really neat stuff we see on a regular basis (at least seemingly so). You are welcome anytime, we are usually packed on warm dry weekends. Jim
QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall.
-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
QUOTE: Originally posted by CopCarSS QUOTE: Originally posted by eolafan Mike, the spot you mention near the propane company is on "old" Eola Road and since they built the "new" Eola Rd. overpass over the BNSF main line you can't see much from the old Eola. We usually can be found at the oher end of the yard where McClure crosses the main line accross from the yard offices. There is a small unpaved lot there that is perfect for railfanning and on warm dry weekends you will usually find from two to ten cars parked there. Come on down 'yall. I miss the bridge going over the middle of the yard, though. [:(] I never really railfanned there, because they tore it down when I was around 6 or 7. I always remember asking my dad to go over the "old, rickety bridge" whenever we were headed out to the Fox Valley Mall. Really wi***hey would've rebuilt that. Chris Denver, CO
QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C A set of box cars with a spacer flat at each end might suggest that explosives were being carried in the box cars. This could be the raw material going to an****nal or finshed conventional warheads going to be attached to cruise missiles or other weapons. The spacer cars just reduce the risk of injury from an accidental blast or fire. Modern military (and civilian) explosives are generally "insensitive", not affected by shock or vibration or heat (short of actual fire). Peter
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