QUOTE: Originally posted by tree68 QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan Beyond a railroad spike, I don't think I would want anything else until I have a house with a basement. This way I can convert the basement into the "train room" including the large model railroad. You'd probably have trouble hanging that FRED on the coupler of the last car on your HO train anyhow...
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan Beyond a railroad spike, I don't think I would want anything else until I have a house with a basement. This way I can convert the basement into the "train room" including the large model railroad.
QUOTE: Originally posted by bjk041089 NO MORE POSTS, THIS TOPIC IS BEING ENDED!!! The device is on its way back in an hour. It was a mistake that me and my cousin made. Me and my cousin are terribly sorry for what we have done, we are only teenagers. By the way, next time I DON'T need 100 people telling me to put it back. I always understand after the first FIVE posts. Thanks for the help anyways!
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Originally posted by tree68 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, April 15, 2005 10:53 AM Yup, thats right. My railroad gives out safety pins, tie tacks and lapel pins with safety slogans and GCOR rule quotes. As the person receiving the gift, I am free to dispose of it as I see fit, including selling it, if I choose.... As was pointed out in a earlier post, crews often leave a EOT in a out of the way place, and inform another crew where it is stashed. Believe it or not, sometimes EOTS are hard to come by in yards and terminals, so yard crews and car men get in the habit of hiding them, for later use. Regardless of how this EOT got there, it clearly was not a gift to Brandon, any more that finding a car on the side of the road with the keys in it can be considered abandoned, and therefor free to use by the first person who wanders along. Now, if he does contact the railroad, reads them the number on the side, and they tell him its a piece of junk, and he can keep it, then thats a different story altogether. Trust me, the crew didnt throw it away, they have to record the ID number of the EOT when they hang it on their train, in essence, they check it out of stores, and if it broke during use, they have to return it to the car department for repair at the end of their run. EdQUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You mean if the RRs gave you as a gift such items as pocket watches, hats, buckles, playing cards, lighters as such similiar items are OK to sell? Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, 23 17 46 11 Reply dwRavenstar Member sinceJanuary 2005 379 posts Posted by dwRavenstar on Friday, April 15, 2005 10:38 AM By definition this is the classic no-brainer!!! Glad that when I came in last night, forgetting to lock up the tool shed, the neighborhood kids didn't summarize that since the normally locked doors were hanging open it meant that they were free to help themselves to everything. After all, it would have been better than letting it set in there, gathering dust and possibly rusting away. You take that back and hope that even the attempt to fence it doesn't carry a stiff fine or a stay at a Federal holding area. [D)] Dave (dwRavenstar) If hard work could hurt us they'd put warning lables on tool boxes Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Friday, April 15, 2005 10:31 AM You could always mount a trailer hitch to your vehicle, and attatch the FRED to that. Just kidding. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,026 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, April 15, 2005 9:11 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You mean if the RRs gave you as a gift such items as pocket watches, hats, buckles, playing cards, lighters as such similiar items are OK to sell? Considering that all of the items you mention are available on the retail market, that's not even an issue. Even if the local trainmaster gave you a hat with the RR logo on it - he gave it to you. You can do with it as you wish. If you break into the RR storehouse and steal a case of said hats, that's a different matter. I have items that my aunt's former employer (which ships primarily by rail) received from railroads. I can do with them as I wish. Those items do not include a F.R.E.D. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 15, 2005 9:04 AM I must agree 100% with all topics above. That's why I "DO NOT" take anything "WITHOUT" asking first. Always ask before you take something. Not to be very rude but you must take it back A.S.A.P. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 15, 2005 8:56 AM You mean if the RRs gave you as a gift such items as pocket watches, hats, buckles, playing cards, lighters as such similiar items are OK to sell? Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dknelson Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Milwaukee WI (Fox Point) 11,439 posts Posted by dknelson on Friday, April 15, 2005 8:10 AM While railfanning the WSOR in the Janesville area last Friday we found a F.R.E.D. by the side of the road in a ditch. We left it where it was because it is a spot where crews change and I suspect it was placed there on purpose with the full expectation that it would be placed on another train. I have also heard crews talk on the radio to each other about where to find the FRED and in ditches or near utility poles is common. Yeah, I think it is good advice to return it pronto. A certain amount of judgment is needed when dealing with railroad collectibles that we find ourselves. A used brakeshoe ranks with a bent spike -- clearly thrown away. But when in doubt leave it alone. Dave Nelson Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by bjk041089 QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Can you prove you came by it legitimately, or that 7 years has passed and the statute of limitations applies?? It was in a ditch by a trainwatching location and wasn't being picked up. I took it with me so that it wouldn't stay there rusting away. Sounds to me like criminal trespass, grand larceny (value $500+), criminal possession of stolen property 3d (another felony) and potentially interference with interstate commerce (federal felony) and a few others... I'd return the device ASAP, you had no right to take it in the first place. Selling it WILL get you in a LOT of hot water. LC Reply Edit arbfbe Member sinceFebruary 2002 910 posts Posted by arbfbe on Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:15 PM The conductor probably could not find it. Sometimes FREDs fall off the last car at speed. At 45 to 60 mph they can bounce a long way from where the end of the train stops. The train will stop when the FRED falls off account the device is connected to the brake pipe on the end of the last car. This will cause the train to go into emergency. It is best off to return it to the railroad, at one time they would pay some form of a reward. The battery has probably long since died and it will not broadcast to anyone at this point. Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:57 PM I would suggest returning it ASAP, since you posted on a public board and signed your name to it, anybody with access to Yahoo can find your address and phone number in about 2 minutes. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:49 PM Regardless of how it got there, its not yours. Since they cost $5000 + each, that would raise the charges out of petty theft and depending on the start could raise it to a felony. My suggestion. Call the railroad you found it along and tell them you found it and they will probably come by and pick it up. Or call the owner (their initials and number are on the unit). If you sell it you chance getting arrested. If I saw one for sale on e-Bay or at a train show I would alert the police immediately since the only way you could get one is to steal it. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, It has a tag on it stating who it belongs too...which I am quite sure does not have your name in the blank.... Possion of a EOT outside of the railroad is a crime, usually a class C misdemeanor... read the tag, and return it to its owner. You have already put yourself in a bad position by offering to sell stolen items... yes, stolen...you didnt purchase it, and it wasnt a gift...forgotton or not by the railroad who owns it, the instant you picked it up and removed it, it became stolen. Do yourself a big favor, give it back. Ed When I found the device, the antenna was broken off. I want to know, if the conductor knew it was broken, then why didn't he put it back in the cab of the loco and take it to the nearest shop to get repaired? But instead, he threw it on the side when he could of done that. Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,026 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan Beyond a railroad spike, I don't think I would want anything else until I have a house with a basement. This way I can convert the basement into the "train room" including the large model railroad. You'd probably have trouble hanging that FRED on the coupler of the last car on your HO train anyhow... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:05 PM Are you for real. No offence but really. You found it at the side of the tracks on RAILROAD property, I'm assuming it's not easement. As stated before just cause it ended up there for whatever reason dosn't mean it's yours for the taking. I would return it before you get caught. Smart E.O.T.s are capable of transmitting and can be traced. Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 It that the same with brakeshoes? Technically yes, although a brakeshoe worth a couple of bucks probably wouldn't bother the railroad too much if you picked one up,, as long as it wasn't attached to a car. Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:01 PM It that the same with brakeshoes? Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:56 PM Beyond a railroad spike, I don't think I would want anything else until I have a house with a basement. This way I can convert the basement into the "train room" including the large model railroad. I don't think I can fit a locomotive down there however.[:D] Andrew Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:29 PM Brandon, It has a tag on it stating who it belongs too...which I am quite sure does not have your name in the blank.... Possion of a EOT outside of the railroad is a crime, usually a class C misdemeanor... read the tag, and return it to its owner. You have already put yourself in a bad position by offering to sell stolen items... yes, stolen...you didnt purchase it, and it wasnt a gift...forgotton or not by the railroad who owns it, the instant you picked it up and removed it, it became stolen. Do yourself a big favor, give it back. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply locomutt Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Louisville,Ky. 5,077 posts Posted by locomutt on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod Be advised that the thing has a permanent code number in it, which identifies it to the FRA. I am not under the impression that 'finders keepers' applies to such a device, no matter where you might have come upon it. I would strongly recommend that you find out whose box this was, and arrange to return it to them... I TOTALLY AGREE with overmod. I would suggest wherever you found it,try to find out the circumstances in which it was lost,and definitely try to return it. You might have a Problem if you try to resell it. Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!! Reply Overmod Member sinceSeptember 2003 21,669 posts Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:08 PM Be advised that the thing has a permanent code number in it, which identifies it to the FRA. I am not under the impression that 'finders keepers' applies to such a device, no matter where you might have come upon it. I would strongly recommend that you find out whose box this was, and arrange to return it to them... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Can you prove you came by it legitimately, or that 7 years has passed and the statute of limitations applies?? It was in a ditch by a trainwatching location and wasn't being picked up. I took it with me so that it wouldn't stay there rusting away. 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Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Friday, April 15, 2005 10:53 AM Yup, thats right. My railroad gives out safety pins, tie tacks and lapel pins with safety slogans and GCOR rule quotes. As the person receiving the gift, I am free to dispose of it as I see fit, including selling it, if I choose.... As was pointed out in a earlier post, crews often leave a EOT in a out of the way place, and inform another crew where it is stashed. Believe it or not, sometimes EOTS are hard to come by in yards and terminals, so yard crews and car men get in the habit of hiding them, for later use. Regardless of how this EOT got there, it clearly was not a gift to Brandon, any more that finding a car on the side of the road with the keys in it can be considered abandoned, and therefor free to use by the first person who wanders along. Now, if he does contact the railroad, reads them the number on the side, and they tell him its a piece of junk, and he can keep it, then thats a different story altogether. Trust me, the crew didnt throw it away, they have to record the ID number of the EOT when they hang it on their train, in essence, they check it out of stores, and if it broke during use, they have to return it to the car department for repair at the end of their run. EdQUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You mean if the RRs gave you as a gift such items as pocket watches, hats, buckles, playing cards, lighters as such similiar items are OK to sell? Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, 23 17 46 11 Reply dwRavenstar Member sinceJanuary 2005 379 posts Posted by dwRavenstar on Friday, April 15, 2005 10:38 AM By definition this is the classic no-brainer!!! Glad that when I came in last night, forgetting to lock up the tool shed, the neighborhood kids didn't summarize that since the normally locked doors were hanging open it meant that they were free to help themselves to everything. After all, it would have been better than letting it set in there, gathering dust and possibly rusting away. You take that back and hope that even the attempt to fence it doesn't carry a stiff fine or a stay at a Federal holding area. [D)] Dave (dwRavenstar) If hard work could hurt us they'd put warning lables on tool boxes Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Friday, April 15, 2005 10:31 AM You could always mount a trailer hitch to your vehicle, and attatch the FRED to that. Just kidding. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,026 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, April 15, 2005 9:11 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You mean if the RRs gave you as a gift such items as pocket watches, hats, buckles, playing cards, lighters as such similiar items are OK to sell? Considering that all of the items you mention are available on the retail market, that's not even an issue. Even if the local trainmaster gave you a hat with the RR logo on it - he gave it to you. You can do with it as you wish. If you break into the RR storehouse and steal a case of said hats, that's a different matter. I have items that my aunt's former employer (which ships primarily by rail) received from railroads. I can do with them as I wish. Those items do not include a F.R.E.D. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 15, 2005 9:04 AM I must agree 100% with all topics above. That's why I "DO NOT" take anything "WITHOUT" asking first. Always ask before you take something. Not to be very rude but you must take it back A.S.A.P. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 15, 2005 8:56 AM You mean if the RRs gave you as a gift such items as pocket watches, hats, buckles, playing cards, lighters as such similiar items are OK to sell? Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dknelson Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Milwaukee WI (Fox Point) 11,439 posts Posted by dknelson on Friday, April 15, 2005 8:10 AM While railfanning the WSOR in the Janesville area last Friday we found a F.R.E.D. by the side of the road in a ditch. We left it where it was because it is a spot where crews change and I suspect it was placed there on purpose with the full expectation that it would be placed on another train. I have also heard crews talk on the radio to each other about where to find the FRED and in ditches or near utility poles is common. Yeah, I think it is good advice to return it pronto. A certain amount of judgment is needed when dealing with railroad collectibles that we find ourselves. A used brakeshoe ranks with a bent spike -- clearly thrown away. But when in doubt leave it alone. Dave Nelson Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by bjk041089 QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Can you prove you came by it legitimately, or that 7 years has passed and the statute of limitations applies?? It was in a ditch by a trainwatching location and wasn't being picked up. I took it with me so that it wouldn't stay there rusting away. Sounds to me like criminal trespass, grand larceny (value $500+), criminal possession of stolen property 3d (another felony) and potentially interference with interstate commerce (federal felony) and a few others... I'd return the device ASAP, you had no right to take it in the first place. Selling it WILL get you in a LOT of hot water. LC Reply Edit arbfbe Member sinceFebruary 2002 910 posts Posted by arbfbe on Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:15 PM The conductor probably could not find it. Sometimes FREDs fall off the last car at speed. At 45 to 60 mph they can bounce a long way from where the end of the train stops. The train will stop when the FRED falls off account the device is connected to the brake pipe on the end of the last car. This will cause the train to go into emergency. It is best off to return it to the railroad, at one time they would pay some form of a reward. The battery has probably long since died and it will not broadcast to anyone at this point. Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:57 PM I would suggest returning it ASAP, since you posted on a public board and signed your name to it, anybody with access to Yahoo can find your address and phone number in about 2 minutes. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:49 PM Regardless of how it got there, its not yours. Since they cost $5000 + each, that would raise the charges out of petty theft and depending on the start could raise it to a felony. My suggestion. Call the railroad you found it along and tell them you found it and they will probably come by and pick it up. Or call the owner (their initials and number are on the unit). If you sell it you chance getting arrested. If I saw one for sale on e-Bay or at a train show I would alert the police immediately since the only way you could get one is to steal it. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, It has a tag on it stating who it belongs too...which I am quite sure does not have your name in the blank.... Possion of a EOT outside of the railroad is a crime, usually a class C misdemeanor... read the tag, and return it to its owner. You have already put yourself in a bad position by offering to sell stolen items... yes, stolen...you didnt purchase it, and it wasnt a gift...forgotton or not by the railroad who owns it, the instant you picked it up and removed it, it became stolen. Do yourself a big favor, give it back. Ed When I found the device, the antenna was broken off. I want to know, if the conductor knew it was broken, then why didn't he put it back in the cab of the loco and take it to the nearest shop to get repaired? But instead, he threw it on the side when he could of done that. Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,026 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan Beyond a railroad spike, I don't think I would want anything else until I have a house with a basement. This way I can convert the basement into the "train room" including the large model railroad. You'd probably have trouble hanging that FRED on the coupler of the last car on your HO train anyhow... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:05 PM Are you for real. No offence but really. You found it at the side of the tracks on RAILROAD property, I'm assuming it's not easement. As stated before just cause it ended up there for whatever reason dosn't mean it's yours for the taking. I would return it before you get caught. Smart E.O.T.s are capable of transmitting and can be traced. Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 It that the same with brakeshoes? Technically yes, although a brakeshoe worth a couple of bucks probably wouldn't bother the railroad too much if you picked one up,, as long as it wasn't attached to a car. Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:01 PM It that the same with brakeshoes? Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:56 PM Beyond a railroad spike, I don't think I would want anything else until I have a house with a basement. This way I can convert the basement into the "train room" including the large model railroad. I don't think I can fit a locomotive down there however.[:D] Andrew Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:29 PM Brandon, It has a tag on it stating who it belongs too...which I am quite sure does not have your name in the blank.... Possion of a EOT outside of the railroad is a crime, usually a class C misdemeanor... read the tag, and return it to its owner. You have already put yourself in a bad position by offering to sell stolen items... yes, stolen...you didnt purchase it, and it wasnt a gift...forgotton or not by the railroad who owns it, the instant you picked it up and removed it, it became stolen. Do yourself a big favor, give it back. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply locomutt Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Louisville,Ky. 5,077 posts Posted by locomutt on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod Be advised that the thing has a permanent code number in it, which identifies it to the FRA. I am not under the impression that 'finders keepers' applies to such a device, no matter where you might have come upon it. I would strongly recommend that you find out whose box this was, and arrange to return it to them... I TOTALLY AGREE with overmod. I would suggest wherever you found it,try to find out the circumstances in which it was lost,and definitely try to return it. You might have a Problem if you try to resell it. Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!! Reply Overmod Member sinceSeptember 2003 21,669 posts Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:08 PM Be advised that the thing has a permanent code number in it, which identifies it to the FRA. I am not under the impression that 'finders keepers' applies to such a device, no matter where you might have come upon it. I would strongly recommend that you find out whose box this was, and arrange to return it to them... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Can you prove you came by it legitimately, or that 7 years has passed and the statute of limitations applies?? It was in a ditch by a trainwatching location and wasn't being picked up. I took it with me so that it wouldn't stay there rusting away. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You mean if the RRs gave you as a gift such items as pocket watches, hats, buckles, playing cards, lighters as such similiar items are OK to sell? Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, 23 17 46 11 Reply dwRavenstar Member sinceJanuary 2005 379 posts Posted by dwRavenstar on Friday, April 15, 2005 10:38 AM By definition this is the classic no-brainer!!! Glad that when I came in last night, forgetting to lock up the tool shed, the neighborhood kids didn't summarize that since the normally locked doors were hanging open it meant that they were free to help themselves to everything. After all, it would have been better than letting it set in there, gathering dust and possibly rusting away. You take that back and hope that even the attempt to fence it doesn't carry a stiff fine or a stay at a Federal holding area. [D)] Dave (dwRavenstar) If hard work could hurt us they'd put warning lables on tool boxes Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Friday, April 15, 2005 10:31 AM You could always mount a trailer hitch to your vehicle, and attatch the FRED to that. Just kidding. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,026 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, April 15, 2005 9:11 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You mean if the RRs gave you as a gift such items as pocket watches, hats, buckles, playing cards, lighters as such similiar items are OK to sell? Considering that all of the items you mention are available on the retail market, that's not even an issue. Even if the local trainmaster gave you a hat with the RR logo on it - he gave it to you. You can do with it as you wish. If you break into the RR storehouse and steal a case of said hats, that's a different matter. I have items that my aunt's former employer (which ships primarily by rail) received from railroads. I can do with them as I wish. Those items do not include a F.R.E.D. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 15, 2005 9:04 AM I must agree 100% with all topics above. That's why I "DO NOT" take anything "WITHOUT" asking first. Always ask before you take something. Not to be very rude but you must take it back A.S.A.P. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 15, 2005 8:56 AM You mean if the RRs gave you as a gift such items as pocket watches, hats, buckles, playing cards, lighters as such similiar items are OK to sell? Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dknelson Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Milwaukee WI (Fox Point) 11,439 posts Posted by dknelson on Friday, April 15, 2005 8:10 AM While railfanning the WSOR in the Janesville area last Friday we found a F.R.E.D. by the side of the road in a ditch. We left it where it was because it is a spot where crews change and I suspect it was placed there on purpose with the full expectation that it would be placed on another train. I have also heard crews talk on the radio to each other about where to find the FRED and in ditches or near utility poles is common. Yeah, I think it is good advice to return it pronto. A certain amount of judgment is needed when dealing with railroad collectibles that we find ourselves. A used brakeshoe ranks with a bent spike -- clearly thrown away. But when in doubt leave it alone. Dave Nelson Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by bjk041089 QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Can you prove you came by it legitimately, or that 7 years has passed and the statute of limitations applies?? It was in a ditch by a trainwatching location and wasn't being picked up. I took it with me so that it wouldn't stay there rusting away. Sounds to me like criminal trespass, grand larceny (value $500+), criminal possession of stolen property 3d (another felony) and potentially interference with interstate commerce (federal felony) and a few others... I'd return the device ASAP, you had no right to take it in the first place. Selling it WILL get you in a LOT of hot water. LC Reply Edit arbfbe Member sinceFebruary 2002 910 posts Posted by arbfbe on Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:15 PM The conductor probably could not find it. Sometimes FREDs fall off the last car at speed. At 45 to 60 mph they can bounce a long way from where the end of the train stops. The train will stop when the FRED falls off account the device is connected to the brake pipe on the end of the last car. This will cause the train to go into emergency. It is best off to return it to the railroad, at one time they would pay some form of a reward. The battery has probably long since died and it will not broadcast to anyone at this point. Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:57 PM I would suggest returning it ASAP, since you posted on a public board and signed your name to it, anybody with access to Yahoo can find your address and phone number in about 2 minutes. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:49 PM Regardless of how it got there, its not yours. Since they cost $5000 + each, that would raise the charges out of petty theft and depending on the start could raise it to a felony. My suggestion. Call the railroad you found it along and tell them you found it and they will probably come by and pick it up. Or call the owner (their initials and number are on the unit). If you sell it you chance getting arrested. If I saw one for sale on e-Bay or at a train show I would alert the police immediately since the only way you could get one is to steal it. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, It has a tag on it stating who it belongs too...which I am quite sure does not have your name in the blank.... Possion of a EOT outside of the railroad is a crime, usually a class C misdemeanor... read the tag, and return it to its owner. You have already put yourself in a bad position by offering to sell stolen items... yes, stolen...you didnt purchase it, and it wasnt a gift...forgotton or not by the railroad who owns it, the instant you picked it up and removed it, it became stolen. Do yourself a big favor, give it back. Ed When I found the device, the antenna was broken off. I want to know, if the conductor knew it was broken, then why didn't he put it back in the cab of the loco and take it to the nearest shop to get repaired? But instead, he threw it on the side when he could of done that. Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,026 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan Beyond a railroad spike, I don't think I would want anything else until I have a house with a basement. This way I can convert the basement into the "train room" including the large model railroad. You'd probably have trouble hanging that FRED on the coupler of the last car on your HO train anyhow... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:05 PM Are you for real. No offence but really. You found it at the side of the tracks on RAILROAD property, I'm assuming it's not easement. As stated before just cause it ended up there for whatever reason dosn't mean it's yours for the taking. I would return it before you get caught. Smart E.O.T.s are capable of transmitting and can be traced. Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 It that the same with brakeshoes? Technically yes, although a brakeshoe worth a couple of bucks probably wouldn't bother the railroad too much if you picked one up,, as long as it wasn't attached to a car. Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:01 PM It that the same with brakeshoes? Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:56 PM Beyond a railroad spike, I don't think I would want anything else until I have a house with a basement. This way I can convert the basement into the "train room" including the large model railroad. I don't think I can fit a locomotive down there however.[:D] Andrew Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:29 PM Brandon, It has a tag on it stating who it belongs too...which I am quite sure does not have your name in the blank.... Possion of a EOT outside of the railroad is a crime, usually a class C misdemeanor... read the tag, and return it to its owner. You have already put yourself in a bad position by offering to sell stolen items... yes, stolen...you didnt purchase it, and it wasnt a gift...forgotton or not by the railroad who owns it, the instant you picked it up and removed it, it became stolen. Do yourself a big favor, give it back. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply locomutt Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Louisville,Ky. 5,077 posts Posted by locomutt on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod Be advised that the thing has a permanent code number in it, which identifies it to the FRA. I am not under the impression that 'finders keepers' applies to such a device, no matter where you might have come upon it. I would strongly recommend that you find out whose box this was, and arrange to return it to them... I TOTALLY AGREE with overmod. I would suggest wherever you found it,try to find out the circumstances in which it was lost,and definitely try to return it. You might have a Problem if you try to resell it. Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!! Reply Overmod Member sinceSeptember 2003 21,669 posts Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:08 PM Be advised that the thing has a permanent code number in it, which identifies it to the FRA. I am not under the impression that 'finders keepers' applies to such a device, no matter where you might have come upon it. I would strongly recommend that you find out whose box this was, and arrange to return it to them... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Can you prove you came by it legitimately, or that 7 years has passed and the statute of limitations applies?? It was in a ditch by a trainwatching location and wasn't being picked up. I took it with me so that it wouldn't stay there rusting away. 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Originally posted by edblysard Brandon,
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed You mean if the RRs gave you as a gift such items as pocket watches, hats, buckles, playing cards, lighters as such similiar items are OK to sell?
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply dknelson Member sinceMarch 2002 From: Milwaukee WI (Fox Point) 11,439 posts Posted by dknelson on Friday, April 15, 2005 8:10 AM While railfanning the WSOR in the Janesville area last Friday we found a F.R.E.D. by the side of the road in a ditch. We left it where it was because it is a spot where crews change and I suspect it was placed there on purpose with the full expectation that it would be placed on another train. I have also heard crews talk on the radio to each other about where to find the FRED and in ditches or near utility poles is common. Yeah, I think it is good advice to return it pronto. A certain amount of judgment is needed when dealing with railroad collectibles that we find ourselves. A used brakeshoe ranks with a bent spike -- clearly thrown away. But when in doubt leave it alone. Dave Nelson Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:39 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by bjk041089 QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Can you prove you came by it legitimately, or that 7 years has passed and the statute of limitations applies?? It was in a ditch by a trainwatching location and wasn't being picked up. I took it with me so that it wouldn't stay there rusting away. Sounds to me like criminal trespass, grand larceny (value $500+), criminal possession of stolen property 3d (another felony) and potentially interference with interstate commerce (federal felony) and a few others... I'd return the device ASAP, you had no right to take it in the first place. Selling it WILL get you in a LOT of hot water. LC Reply Edit arbfbe Member sinceFebruary 2002 910 posts Posted by arbfbe on Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:15 PM The conductor probably could not find it. Sometimes FREDs fall off the last car at speed. At 45 to 60 mph they can bounce a long way from where the end of the train stops. The train will stop when the FRED falls off account the device is connected to the brake pipe on the end of the last car. This will cause the train to go into emergency. It is best off to return it to the railroad, at one time they would pay some form of a reward. The battery has probably long since died and it will not broadcast to anyone at this point. Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:57 PM I would suggest returning it ASAP, since you posted on a public board and signed your name to it, anybody with access to Yahoo can find your address and phone number in about 2 minutes. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply dehusman Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Omaha, NE 10,621 posts Posted by dehusman on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:49 PM Regardless of how it got there, its not yours. Since they cost $5000 + each, that would raise the charges out of petty theft and depending on the start could raise it to a felony. My suggestion. Call the railroad you found it along and tell them you found it and they will probably come by and pick it up. Or call the owner (their initials and number are on the unit). If you sell it you chance getting arrested. If I saw one for sale on e-Bay or at a train show I would alert the police immediately since the only way you could get one is to steal it. Dave H. Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:31 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, It has a tag on it stating who it belongs too...which I am quite sure does not have your name in the blank.... Possion of a EOT outside of the railroad is a crime, usually a class C misdemeanor... read the tag, and return it to its owner. You have already put yourself in a bad position by offering to sell stolen items... yes, stolen...you didnt purchase it, and it wasnt a gift...forgotton or not by the railroad who owns it, the instant you picked it up and removed it, it became stolen. Do yourself a big favor, give it back. Ed When I found the device, the antenna was broken off. I want to know, if the conductor knew it was broken, then why didn't he put it back in the cab of the loco and take it to the nearest shop to get repaired? But instead, he threw it on the side when he could of done that. Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,026 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:16 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan Beyond a railroad spike, I don't think I would want anything else until I have a house with a basement. This way I can convert the basement into the "train room" including the large model railroad. You'd probably have trouble hanging that FRED on the coupler of the last car on your HO train anyhow... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:05 PM Are you for real. No offence but really. You found it at the side of the tracks on RAILROAD property, I'm assuming it's not easement. As stated before just cause it ended up there for whatever reason dosn't mean it's yours for the taking. I would return it before you get caught. Smart E.O.T.s are capable of transmitting and can be traced. Reply Hugh Jampton Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Southern Region now, UK 820 posts Posted by Hugh Jampton on Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:14 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 It that the same with brakeshoes? Technically yes, although a brakeshoe worth a couple of bucks probably wouldn't bother the railroad too much if you picked one up,, as long as it wasn't attached to a car. Generally a lurker by natureBe AlertThe world needs more lerts.It's the 3rd rail that makes the difference. Reply coborn35 Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Duluth,Minnesota,USA 4,015 posts Posted by coborn35 on Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:01 PM It that the same with brakeshoes? Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..." The Missabe Road: Safety First Reply Junctionfan Member sinceFebruary 2004 From: St.Catharines, Ontario 3,770 posts Posted by Junctionfan on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:56 PM Beyond a railroad spike, I don't think I would want anything else until I have a house with a basement. This way I can convert the basement into the "train room" including the large model railroad. I don't think I can fit a locomotive down there however.[:D] Andrew Reply edblysard Member sinceMarch 2002 9,265 posts Posted by edblysard on Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:29 PM Brandon, It has a tag on it stating who it belongs too...which I am quite sure does not have your name in the blank.... Possion of a EOT outside of the railroad is a crime, usually a class C misdemeanor... read the tag, and return it to its owner. You have already put yourself in a bad position by offering to sell stolen items... yes, stolen...you didnt purchase it, and it wasnt a gift...forgotton or not by the railroad who owns it, the instant you picked it up and removed it, it became stolen. Do yourself a big favor, give it back. Ed 23 17 46 11 Reply locomutt Member sinceSeptember 2003 From: Louisville,Ky. 5,077 posts Posted by locomutt on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod Be advised that the thing has a permanent code number in it, which identifies it to the FRA. I am not under the impression that 'finders keepers' applies to such a device, no matter where you might have come upon it. I would strongly recommend that you find out whose box this was, and arrange to return it to them... I TOTALLY AGREE with overmod. I would suggest wherever you found it,try to find out the circumstances in which it was lost,and definitely try to return it. You might have a Problem if you try to resell it. Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!! Reply Overmod Member sinceSeptember 2003 21,669 posts Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:08 PM Be advised that the thing has a permanent code number in it, which identifies it to the FRA. I am not under the impression that 'finders keepers' applies to such a device, no matter where you might have come upon it. I would strongly recommend that you find out whose box this was, and arrange to return it to them... Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 14, 2005 6:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Can you prove you came by it legitimately, or that 7 years has passed and the statute of limitations applies?? It was in a ditch by a trainwatching location and wasn't being picked up. I took it with me so that it wouldn't stay there rusting away. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by bjk041089 QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Can you prove you came by it legitimately, or that 7 years has passed and the statute of limitations applies?? It was in a ditch by a trainwatching location and wasn't being picked up. I took it with me so that it wouldn't stay there rusting away.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Hugh Jampton Can you prove you came by it legitimately, or that 7 years has passed and the statute of limitations applies??
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard Brandon, It has a tag on it stating who it belongs too...which I am quite sure does not have your name in the blank.... Possion of a EOT outside of the railroad is a crime, usually a class C misdemeanor... read the tag, and return it to its owner. You have already put yourself in a bad position by offering to sell stolen items... yes, stolen...you didnt purchase it, and it wasnt a gift...forgotton or not by the railroad who owns it, the instant you picked it up and removed it, it became stolen. Do yourself a big favor, give it back. Ed
QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35 It that the same with brakeshoes?
Mechanical Department "No no that's fine shove that 20 pound set all around the yard... those shoes aren't hell and a half to change..."
The Missabe Road: Safety First
QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod Be advised that the thing has a permanent code number in it, which identifies it to the FRA. I am not under the impression that 'finders keepers' applies to such a device, no matter where you might have come upon it. I would strongly recommend that you find out whose box this was, and arrange to return it to them...
Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!!
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