QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy ...good luck with that one.
Quentin
QUOTE: Originally posted by SteelMonsters Give it back to the owners that gave up on it back in the 60's? Passenger rail has been hurting since long before Amtrak was formed. Even Amtrak is failing and the government finally got rid of the subsiderary. It was a waste of the average taxpayers money to support railways when they would rather drive their own cars or fly. Next year it will have been 50 years that air has had more passengers than rail. Cars, busses, and airplanes have become prefered modes of transportation over rail. Even Freight railroads don't want passenger trains around anymore. I personally like the convenience of my car over any other modes especially rail.
QUOTE: Originally posted by SP9033 QUOTE: Originally posted by SteelMonsters Give it back to the owners that gave up on it back in the 60's? Passenger rail has been hurting since long before Amtrak was formed. Even Amtrak is failing and the government finally got rid of the subsiderary. It was a waste of the average taxpayers money to support railways when they would rather drive their own cars or fly. Next year it will have been 50 years that air has had more passengers than rail. Cars, busses, and airplanes have become prefered modes of transportation over rail. Even Freight railroads don't want passenger trains around anymore. I personally like the convenience of my car over any other modes especially rail. Hey Marc, During the fifties, it was decided that a defense of US soil required an investment in what we call the "Interstate Highway System." For more than twenty years a big stipend from the Defense budget went to build the Interstate Highway System! Everyday the city of SPARKS and RENO along with WASHOE county sends money to the airport. Gosh, what do you call that? President Bush, has so much enthusiasm for privatizing of government programs, again, lets just give it back to "BIG BUSINESS," those people that spent good money pushing congress to take it off their hands! They where private and in business! So if anyone could make money - they could because they are in business and are companies! Jim - Lawton, NV MP 236
QUOTE: You're theory of, "The railroads used to run passenger trains, and now that the government doesn't want to, the railroads should have to." Makes no sense to me, perhaps I'm just not educated enough, but I don't see why. The railroads didn't force the government to make Amtrak, the Railroads just didn't want to run passenger service anymore. It was the government that said, ok we'll take passenger service and run it and take care of it, you railroads are off the hook. The railroads didn't say, OK government we don't want to run passenger serivce anymore, so you have to, good luck. If it were up to the railroads they would rather not have ANY passenger service, be it run by them, or run by the government. Passenger trains just get in the way and cause delay to the money making freight trains. The passenger business is not a profitable business in most cases. There may very well be cases in the Northeast where it would be profitable, and I say that those runs SHOULD be able to be kept alive by private corporations, not by the government or by the railroads being forced into it. The idea that because the Errs once ran passenger services and now the government no longer wants to, so RRs should be forced back into it is absurd, and I see no reason why that should be, it just isn't a valid argument.
QUOTE: Originally posted by SP9033 [QUOTE: You're theory of, "The railroads used to run passenger trains, and now that the government doesn't want to, the railroads should have to." Makes no sense to me, perhaps I'm just not educated enough, but I don't see why. The railroads didn't force the government to make Amtrak, the Railroads just didn't want to run passenger service anymore. It was the government that said, ok we'll take passenger service and run it and take care of it, you railroads are off the hook. The railroads didn't say, OK government we don't want to run passenger serivce anymore, so you have to, good luck. If it were up to the railroads they would rather not have ANY passenger service, be it run by them, or run by the government. Passenger trains just get in the way and cause delay to the money making freight trains. The passenger business is not a profitable business in most cases. There may very well be cases in the Northeast where it would be profitable, and I say that those runs SHOULD be able to be kept alive by private corporations, not by the government or by the railroads being forced into it. The idea that because the Errs once ran passenger services and now the government no longer wants to, so RRs should be forced back into it is absurd, and I see no reason why that should be, it just isn't a valid argument. Mostly it makes no sense to you because, you've never witnessed the regulation of the industry and that industry's responsibility to the community!. You have no sense of right or wrong! Much to young to understand!!!
QUOTE: Originally posted by tatans Try Canada and the C.P.R. they were Given thousands of square miles of land for free -----------provided-----they supply passenger service, well, they are not, do we get our land back?? somehow I don't think we will. Now they have a private museum of antique passenger cars and locomotives they run on their lines for their favorite customers.
QUOTE: Originally posted by SP9033 The freight railroads lobbied congress to take passenger rail away...Congress, getting re-election money from these railroads, did just that. Lifted the responsibility right away. This federal program of passenger rail, called Amtrak, just didn't work. As easily as Congress took these railroad's responsibilities away 34 years ago, let's just give it back. President Bush is all for making business live up to its commitments. Its time to admit that Amtrak just didn't work. The taxpayers just need to throw this ball back to the server, private enterprise - THE FREIGHT RAILROADS! Jim - Lawton, NV MP 236
Jock Ellis Cumming, GA US of A Georgia Association of Railroad Passengers
If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?
QUOTE: Nearly 80 percent of the towns Amtrak serves have no schedule airline service.....over 80 percent..... That's the reason we need Amtrak.......
QUOTE: Most civilized countries, including those with a lower population density than the USA believe their citizens are ENTITLED to have access to their entire country without being FORCED to drive, fly, or be cramped for long distances in a bus. They have government owned railroads that probide decent service. Or they subidize private railroads sufficientlyi. Canada is one such country. Australia is another. And New Zealand . Do you want an elderly American on the shore of one ocean to be forced to take his transcontinental journel of a life in Canada instead of his own coutnry?
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
QUOTE: Originally posted by andrewjonathon Wow - no scheduled airline service and yet ironically, people in these towns still don't use the train...at least based on my experiences. I understand that Amtrak serves about 500 stations nationwide. What about all of the other cities and towns in the US that have no scheduled airline service or passenger trains? They all seem to be surviving just fine. What is it that makes these 500 cities special that they deserve train service while the rest get nothing?
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