QUOTE: Originally posted by garyaiki If they can strip this protection from us, they will come back and use 9/11 as an excuse to search our cars and homes.
QUOTE: Originally posted by SteamerFan they already can, under present laws, they can get a secret warrent, signed by a federal judge, and bug or search your property without you ever knowing they did. All they have to do is show a link to you and any crimminal orginization, and this all was signed into law by Billy Boy Clinton before he left.
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon Exercise your rights! Contact your representative, have your friends and family contact theirs too. It's your constitution!
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QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Just another way for the cops across this country to be more POWER HUNGRY!
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QUOTE: Originally posted by BaltACD Personally....I want to see proper identification from those purporting to be law enforcement....there are too many want-to-be's floating around.
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas If asked to show my i.d. I will comply. I will state what I am doing, watching trains. But If I am wrongly suspected of being up to no good, I only have 2 questions. Am I under arrest? And If so what are the charges? As simple as that. I learned this a long time ago the hard way. As long as I'm not tresspasing, there is not much they can do (in theory). And if I am arrested it will all be setteled in the courtroom. I know this can be an expensive outcome, But I belive very strongly that it is my freedom that's being violated. And I refuse to go down without a fight. I could go off on the stupidity of "homeland security" , but I'm not going to. If I did I would be typing all day , And would most likley offend a lot of poeple on this forum that I don't want to offend. Power to the PEOPLE, not the government !!!!!!!
QUOTE: Originally posted by stanley schurman It seems from the responses seen here that there is a general skepticism regarding the implimentation of the Patriot Act. It does make one wonder how George W. was re-elected if the opinions expressed in this forum reflect opinions generally in the country. It is a shame that 9/11 has somany people looking under their beds for terrorists. To be vigilant is one thing, to be paranoid is something else. I think paranoid is winning..much to Bush's advantage.
QUOTE: Originally posted by cnw4001 The Ohio Senate has under consideration a bill which would require you to show ID if requested while, among other things, watching trains. Quoted from today's Columbus Dispatch story on Ohio Senate Bill 9. "A person in or near an airport, train station, chemical plant, utility or ‘‘any other terrorist-sensitive site" to show identification when requested by law-enforcement or security personnel." Dale
QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005 QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon Exercise your rights! Contact your representative, have your friends and family contact theirs too. It's your constitution! That's a nice thought Dan, but I think the fox is clearly in charge of the chickens. As it turns out my congressman and one of my senators are firmly in the pocket of the White House, and have checked their brains at the door. They have no clue, nor do they care about what the voters have to say. They take their marching orders from W (who takes his from Carl Rove). The other senator (the good one) has just announced that he will not seek re election. Guess who wants his seat? My congressman!!!! I want to vomit!!!!! Yes, the great state of Minnesota is full of characters, and although I didn't vote for him, I liked Jesse Ventura a lot better than either his predecessor or his successor. So, who is going to be running for senate against the congressman I so despise? Al Franken!!!![:0][:D] I kid you not!!!! By the way Steamer Fan, Clinton may have signed that bill, but the USA Patriot Act signed post 911goes much further to invade the privacy of individuals. It gives that secret court much more power. Be afraid, be very afraid.
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QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. I guess that Railfans had better start going to Birdwatching instead. BNSFrailfan.
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