How do you feel about GRAFFITI on trains?

[Anonymous]

do you feel the same about streakers?
do you streak?
im sure half of the people on here streak but they wont admit it.
[:X][;)]

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by southern lady

do you feel the same about streakers?
do you streak?
im sure half of the people on here streak but they wont admit it.
[:X][;)]

NO!!!
NO!!!
Don't bet on it!!!!![:D]

[adrianspeeder]

I have a solution to any vandal problems. It is two digits and works well protecting the PSD and Broncos. The number is 12 and it makes a pleasing sound doing its work.

Adrianspeeder

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt

QUOTE: Originally posted by southern lady

do you feel the same about streakers?
do you streak?
im sure half of the people on here streak but they wont admit it.
[:X][;)]

NO!!!
NO!!!
Don't bet on it!!!!![:D]

Oh come on, you don't have to doubt it.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bjk041089

Alot of their artwork is very artistic, but I wonder why they don't sign up for an art class of some sort? It puzzles me.

because they do drugs quit school have sex with there sisters and are not the brightest crayons in the box[:D][:D]

[Anonymous]

the worst ive seen was when som one wrote UP on a SP loco

oh thats supposed to be there my bad

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by thebreeze05

the worst ive seen was when som one wrote UP on a SP loco

oh thats supposed to be there my bad

You can still catch a couple of the old sp locos that have not yet been degraded with a union pathetic logo. I wish you could say the same for CNW but that takeover seems just too long ago. I don't mind the graffiti too much but it does irritate me a bit when some douchebag paints on a locomotive. That's overstepping it and the sucker who did it oughta be lashed with a brake hose.

[jwinter]

Providing them "legal" space where they can spray their garbage does not work. It was tried and this only empowered them and the amount of graffiti got worse. This would be like putting up paper targets in the hood for gangbangers to shoot at instead of people. It will only lead to more shootings. Trying the soft intellectual approach does not work with these simple minded animals.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. I find it interesting that railroads seem so intent on chasing railfans away than dealing with these punks causing $$$$$$ of damage. These same railfans are the ones that would help a railroad by reporting a crime or damage or an accident or defective equipment on a train, but instead they are treated like criminals. Yes there are some railfans that go too far, but the majority of the fans I've run into are good people. I've suggested that railroads find a way to work with railfans so they can be the eyes and ears of the railroad companies. Perhaps you've heard of Community Policing where the police and the community work together to make a neighborhood or community safer. Well what about "Community Railroading?"

Someone said that the RXR Police said they can't be everywhere to catch these vandals. But if they spent more time in the yard catching these vandals instead of chasing a middle aged railfan standing on a station plateform or along the right-of-way, perhaps they could stop it. Time to wake up RailCops, the bad guys are in your backyard.

[espeefoamer]

QUOTE: Originally posted by thebreeze05

the worst ive seen was when som one wrote UP on a SP loco

oh thats supposed to be there my bad

I saw a Rio Grande unit today that had not been vandalized by the UP gangbangers tagging division[:)].

[rf16a]

Ugly vandalism.

[fievel]

I don't know what the penalty for vandalizing RR property is, but if those criminals
paint over important information which identifies the contents of the car, then a lot
of people could have their lives at stake in the event of a derailment.
Or a costly evacuation while authorities attempt to figure out what all that white
powder is -bread flour, or something that can kill people.
Catch the vandals and jail them for a very long time.
Graffiti is NOT COOL. [:(!]

[Big_Boy_4005]

I get so tired of all of the holier than thou attitudes here. I actually happen to like graffiti on railroad cars. It makes them more visually interesting. I think it shows real class to deliberately NOT cover reporting marks. It does not impare the functioning of the cars, and may help to prevent rust.

Trying to stop it is like pissing into the wind, so why waste the limited police resources. Police time is much better spent catching people who break into containers and steal merchandise.

Railroad graffiti is not necessarily gang related, though it can be. Gang graffiti is more closely associated with stationary objects, and railroad cars move. Yes, gang members will hit cars when stopped on their turf. Personally, I can't think of too many classy neighborhoods with railroad tracks in them.

Yeah, it's a crime, but it is highly impersonal when done on trains. Perhaps you would rather they be painting your car or your house.

[Big_Boy_4005]

QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

I have this new fair trade agreement, Per burst of spray paint emitted from the can equals one punch for yours truly (MOI)

Works out to either...

A) Digesting a LOT of teeth
B) A date with the floor.

Great attitude Kevin, violence over vandilism. If the world behaved that way, we would have had nuclear war long ago.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

I get so tired of all of the holier than thou attitudes here. I actually happen to like graffiti on railroad cars. It makes them more visually interesting. I think it shows real class to deliberately NOT cover reporting marks. It does not impare the functioning of the cars, and may help to prevent rust.

Trying to stop it is like pissing into the wind, so why waste the limited police resources. Police time is much better spent catching people who break into containers and steal merchandise.

Railroad graffiti is not necessarily gang related, though it can be. Gang graffiti is more closely associated with stationary objects, and railroad cars move. Yes, gang members will hit cars when stopped on their turf. Personally, I can't think of too many classy neighborhoods with railroad tracks in them.

Yeah, it's a crime, but it is highly impersonal when done on trains. Perhaps you would rather they be painting your car or your house.

HOLY CHRIST, LOOK! It's another one! One of only a few! One of only a few who's not old, spiteful, lacking imagination, and angry at the world! By gollyballs!

Wow, am I hearing this correctly? I must concur with your words a bit. While I may not be the biggest fan of graffiti, I am a friend of logic and wisdom...

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by thebreeze05

QUOTE: Originally posted by bjk041089

Alot of their artwork is very artistic, but I wonder why they don't sign up for an art class of some sort? It puzzles me.

because they do drugs quit school have sex with there sisters and are not the brightest crayons in the box[:D][:D]

None of that is true, that is just pure BULLS**T. [#dots]

[morseman]

a while back Montreal's subway (the Metro} was being vandalized by
these "artists" It was found that the best way to curb them was to get
rid of their "artwork" as soon as it occured. Each night as soon as the
Metro closed down all graffiti was removed from the cars and stations..
When I was back in Montreal a few years ago not a trace of graffiti.

Look at the change that has occured with the NewYork subways.
On our Ontario highways in my neighbourhood graffiti is removed
shortly after it occurs, The graffiti is painted over with black paint.

Soon as these "artists" are caught, the punishment would be for
them to work in a rr yard for a year or more removing graffiti and
other menial chores.

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

I get so tired of all of the holier than thou attitudes here. I actually happen to like graffiti on railroad cars. It makes them more visually interesting. I think it shows real class to deliberately NOT cover reporting marks. It does not impare the functioning of the cars, and may help to prevent rust.
<snip>
Yeah, it's a crime, but it is highly impersonal when done on trains. Perhaps you would rather they be painting your car or your house.

I think a lot of people actually agree with you to a certain extent. It's amazing the artistic ability some of these vandals seem to have. I recently saw a tri-level auto carrier with the WHOLE SIDE painted. Not a bit of bare metal to be seen. It was tastefully done (as in no profanity), but must have required a scaffold to complete.

But it all begs some questions: What if that same effort was put into painting some old ladies house - one that really needed the paint? Wouldn't that be a much better end product? Where did the paint come from? If they actually bought it, what a waste of money - that could have painted an old lady's house. If they didn't buy it, you and I are paying for it next time we shop at where ever they stole it from.

So what this all means is not that a lot of us don't appreciate the effort and ability that goes into these rolling works of art. We do. We just feel that the effort and ability are misdirected onto property that is not theirs to decorate.

[vsmith]

How about a creative solution, these kids need jobs, and God know most freight cars out there are so decrepid they could use a paint job, put 2 and 2 together.

The RR's should hire these kids to repaint their cars, just give'em a photo of what a brand new car looks like, a crate of spray cans and let them have at it! If they can cover a car in graffiti in one night, they can repaint a boxcar in a day! start them at one end of the yard and in no time at all you got a bunch of shiny newly painted frieght cars!


OK maybe I'm stretching at bit, but ya cant blame me for tryin'.....[8D]

[spbed]

If you watch The Apprentice this week the task was to employed GRAFFITI artists to paint a mural to sell Sony Play Station. [:)]

QUOTE: Originally posted by southern lady

How do you feel about GRAFFITI on trains?

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by southern lady

How do you feel about GRAFFITI on trains?

This is about the stupidest question I've ever answered!

I feel warm and fuzzey about graffiti on railcars! I only wi***here was more of it, yeah right - I'm lying! JC, HANG the questioner!

Jim B

[Modelcar]

...Respecting the fact everyone has their opinion....And it is obvious which side I come down on. Graffiti is a waste of talent. I don't know how one inserts these talents into the legitimate society....Surely there is a way, perhaps it takes some effort on the doer to make it happen as well. Continuing to display it on property belonging to the public and priviately owned businesses we all know is not proper and most of it is unwanted and of course against the law....Do we just pick the laws we care to uphold....

[Anonymous]

Simply put graffiti is vandalism and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Most graffiti artists do their work under the cover of night so any deterrment plans must operate in these hours.

At DART we have the policy of the first operator of the day on a line, be it bus or rail, who sees the "art work" on DART property to radio in and it will be gone before the end of the day. If you remove the forum for the "artists" they soon will direct their talents elsewhere. Hopfullyl to painting for Habitat for Humanity. One only has to look at British Rail and London Transit who apparently do not have a program of removal of graffiti from stationary facilities. It is almost to the point in the old country that is is beyond hope of ever removing the "artwork".

DART had a problem with a highway overpass being tagged weekly. The bridge is near a high school and opposing teams would paint their school colors on the bridge before a football game. The prior user of the ROW, the Katy, tolerated this painting. After all this is one less bridge that they must paint. We were unhappy with the tagging of our new concrete light rail bridge. Talking to a school assembly was useless as was fencing. I had our Transit Police hide out one night near the bridge. It only took one night to catch a few "artists in rersidence". We charged them with all the costs of removing any artwork we found on the Garland line. which ran to a few thousand dollars. Turns out the kids who were doing it were from prominant families in town. When their fathers had to write a check for a few thousand dollars the kids really caught h - - - . The word soon spread and our problem has ended at this location. Cleaning paint from concrete is not easy.

*** Watkins "Retired" DART board member

[jokestre]

I do not like it. The Ski Train here in Denver just got "tagged" and it is a horrible.

[morseman]

the only grafffiti I've seen which I like,
is on the Amtrak/Septa overpass just ourside Philadelphia
I believe it's in Bryn Mawr on the main line
The bridge in painted aluminum and some
one printed L I O N E L in large black letters.
Looks real proffesional. It's starting to fade now
Don't know how long its been there.

Apart from that, as I have mentioned on this
subject several times, I strongly believe it's
a crime and taggers should be arrested and punished.

[coborn35]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Big_Boy_4005

I get so tired of all of the holier than thou attitudes here. I actually happen to like graffiti on railroad cars. It makes them more visually interesting. I think it shows real class to deliberately NOT cover reporting marks. It does not impare the functioning of the cars, and may help to prevent rust.

Trying to stop it is like pissing into the wind, so why waste the limited police resources. Police time is much better spent catching people who break into containers and steal merchandise.

Railroad graffiti is not necessarily gang related, though it can be. Gang graffiti is more closely associated with stationary objects, and railroad cars move. Yes, gang members will hit cars when stopped on their turf. Personally, I can't think of too many classy neighborhoods with railroad tracks in them.

Yeah, it's a crime, but it is highly impersonal when done on trains. Perhaps you would rather they be painting your car or your house.

I have to admit, you got some guts putting that on there. i admire you for that. However, I think they should have a juvenile delinquint program where they put new rr logo's on the side of cars (maybe spice up the UP logo[:-^]) That would give them a way to express some feelings and also do a service to the community, to an extent at least.

[Anonymous]

Grafitti looks bad enough on boxcars, but seeing it on newely painted locomotives
makes me mad. People have no curteosy for railroads anymore, including the media.

[Anonymous]

I understand to some extent why people do grafitti, being an artist myself, but at least
couldn't they target really old stock.

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

How about a creative solution, these kids need jobs, and God know most freight cars out there are so decrepid they could use a paint job, put 2 and 2 together.

The RR's should hire these kids to repaint their cars, just give'em a photo of what a brand new car looks like, a crate of spray cans and let them have at it! If they can cover a car in graffiti in one night, they can repaint a boxcar in a day! start them at one end of the yard and in no time at all you got a bunch of shiny newly painted frieght cars!


OK maybe I'm stretching at bit, but ya cant blame me for tryin'.....[8D]

I think this is a good idea.Create more jobs,maybe we could get some
of the 'kids' off the street.
What I have seen is art,but how they do it, is vandelism,and that needs
to stop. Would like to see them use their 'talents' elsewhere.

Larry gave A VERY GOOD analogy for that.

[spbed]

Well to give them a job you have to first find them. Most likely whomever is using the paint cans on the cars would be very fearful to admit that they are doing it.

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed

Well to give them a job you have to first find them. Most likely whomever is using the paint cans on the cars would be very fearful to admit that they are doing it.

Unfortunately,you bring up a VERY good point.
It really is too bad,as their 'talent' is being 'wasted'