Religion out of place on Trains.com...

[Mookie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by oltmannd

BTW - In a civil society, it is up to the opinionated to try not and offend with their opinions and up to those who may be offended to tolerate the offense. It's not either/or, it's both/and! And neither should have to remind the other of their obligation.

I like that! I am going to print that off and put it right here on my desk!

Mook [tup]

[oltmannd]

I thought big bang was what happened to the caboose when the slack ran in!

BTW - In a civil society, it is up to the opinionated to try not and offend with their opinions and up to those who may be offended to tolerate the offense. It's not either/or, it's both/and! And neither should have to remind the other of their obligation.

[AntonioFP45]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

what the hell? this thread is a bolt out of the blue!!! and besides..if someone wants to bring religion into it... why not..last time I checked the server was in the US... meaning freedom of speach to discuss what ever we want...and if relegion is sometimes brought into a trains forum..its fine with me...
and as far as the person that started this...if you dont like the topic..and it is "too religous" for your teasts...then dont read it...dont sit here and lecture me on what can and can't be talked about....
csx engineer

Well put!

Why is it that many people cry "freedom of expression" but these same people want to immedietly "fry someone in hot oil" if their signature or comment has bits of religion mixed in?

Guys, please forgive me if I offend some of you but I've noticed that most of the
"Political Correctness ***" in this country are extremely hypocritical. [V][X-)]

On a quality forum like this one, it is so easy just to move on.

So far I haven't seen anyone here trying to impose their religious or non-religious views on anyone.

Now please: Can we jump back onboard our forum "Train"?

10-4 and High Greens!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by amtrak-tom

could we eventually see the creation of the universe as we "catch up" with the light that was transmitted at the time of creation?

In my less than professional opinion as someone that considered an astronomy minor in college: No, we couldn't. Even if we could construct a telescope with enough resolving power, the universe (which would be quite a strange concept, observing the entire universe as an external viewer while still contained with in the universe) would be too dense an object and its light, while extremely bright at the time, would be far too diffuse for us to get a good long look. It would look like a great ball of stuff that would could not see in to. And even if we could actually observe that, then you'd have trouble seeing what came before that when we didn't have atoms and such. And before then, we can't observe anything that happened before Planck time at all because physics as we know it didn't function the same way. It would be like trying to play a game of baseball using football rules. Since the Big Bang would have happened before Planck time, we couldn't see it.

Calling it the Big Bang is an awful term. It inspires such great visions of an unimaginably powerful explosion, when it really would have just been space being added between stuff at a fast rate. Nothing really moved, like in an explosion, but the distance between everything got bigger. Its a very hard thing to grasp at first.

As for that superdense ball of matter that popped, I figure God created the mechanism that created it or it was just kinda there and didn't need to be created, but that's just me.

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by amtrak-tom

Big Bang: be it an earthly train, or, from above: will we ever be able to see the "Big Bang" someday? When you look up at a star (as you're standing next to your train at night) <---- railroad related thread disclaimer.....you're actually looking back into time. If a star is 5 light years away, what you're now seeing was sent 5 years ago from that star. As the Hubble Space Telescope looks deeper into the universe, it's showing us sights that had occurred several thousand years ago. So, if an even larger space telescope is sent up that allows us to peer further into space (and time), could we eventually see the creation of the universe as we "catch up" with the light that was transmitted at the time of creation? Of course, if that same type of large space telescope was already in place by another universe and it was aimed in our general direction, they probably would see that "Big Band and Flash" that was produced by those locomotives that were mentioned earlier. <----- 2nd Railroad related thread disclaimer.

The term "big bang" was coined by a guy who didn't believe in it. In fact, IIRC, he was using the term with some derision, referring to those who do. He believed (as I do) that the universe is infinite in space and time. No beginning. No end. Just a continuum.

OFF [soapbox]

[Anonymous]

I thought the Big Bang is when the NYC and PRR became Penn Central.

Mitch

[tree68]

I think trainluver1 is talking about some of the signatures, not the posts.

If you don't like 'em, don't read 'em. Freedom of speech, etc, works both ways.

[Anonymous]

Big Bang: be it an earthly train, or, from above: will we ever be able to see the "Big Bang" someday? When you look up at a star (as you're standing next to your train at night) <---- railroad related thread disclaimer.....you're actually looking back into time. If a star is 5 light years away, what you're now seeing was sent 5 years ago from that star. As the Hubble Space Telescope looks deeper into the universe, it's showing us sights that had occurred several thousand years ago. So, if an even larger space telescope is sent up that allows us to peer further into space (and time), could we eventually see the creation of the universe as we "catch up" with the light that was transmitted at the time of creation? Of course, if that same type of large space telescope was already in place by another universe and it was aimed in our general direction, they probably would see that "Big Band and Flash" that was produced by those locomotives that were mentioned earlier. <----- 2nd Railroad related thread disclaimer.

[zardoz]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Randy Stahl

I thought the big bang was what happens when you start a Fairbanks locomotive!
Randy

Years ago, before Metra (Chicago) installed city electric for the suburban trains at the overnight layover points, the trains used to be left on "standby" power from the locomotive (F40PH) overnight during cold weather. When we would leave the station for the first time, when we would go to the 8th notch, the flames that would shoot out of the top of the locomotive were quite a sight to behold, especially early in the morning when it was still dark out. You could look in the mirror on the cabcar and see the flames! Occasionally the buildup would be so huge, that when the turbo kicked in, the engine would bog down and sometimes die. We learned to advance the throttle slowly the first time in the morning.

And yes, sometime they did a sort of 'bang' when all that fuel ignited.

[eolafan]

Where in heck did this whole thread come from? I have participated in this forum for years and do not recall one time where religion was ever mentioned. Let's drop it now.

PS: I believe the big bang was caused by GE tubrocharger "lag".

[Randy Stahl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt

QUOTE: Originally posted by Randy Stahl

I thought the big bang was what happens when you start a Fairbanks locomotive!
Randy

How about a GE "Toaster",belching flames!!

Yea.... that's nearly a celestial event!
Randy

[Randy Stahl]

QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe

I know at least two others have beat me to this punch. But, you are basically saying we should not talk about religion on here--without it really being evident that religion is a big topic for discussion on here--and then you give your religious views?

I smell more than one rat on this one.

Gabe

P.S. Randy, do you have experience with Fairbank's locomotives? Last I heard there was only one Trainmaster left in existence. They have always facinated me. Why do they start with a big bang?

The FMs the MILW had would collect carbon and raw fuel in the exhaust stacks, combined with alot of slop in the gear train the engine would light off the fuel and blast a bunch of carbon out the stacks.
For a long time I had a nervous twitch whenever I was around one.
Randy

[edblysard]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1

When I log into Trains.com, I do so to read and learn about trains-both real and model.

Great, nice to have a new member, hope you learn all you need or want too. It really ticks me off though to see someone use the forum to post and/ or express the fact that they're religious and so forth.

If they claimed to not be religious, would you still be ticked off?

If they can do that, then I can express the fact that I'm an Universalist / Evolutionist, and believe that the universe was created by the big bang, and that all things including all life evolved from that event.

Yup, you can, thats the beauty of a public forum, you can express yourself.

Of course there are people out there that would greatly disagree with that as much as I disagree with their religious ideas.

True, thats called freedom, it is protected by the US Constitution.
You have the legal right to believe, or not believe.
Pretty cool concept!

So how's about we stop the religious stuff and stick to trains and railroading...

Trainluver1

Funny, you state you log on here to learn about trains, then go off on a crusade to ban religion from a public forum.
Didnt see a single question about trains in there!
Ed

[gabe]

I know at least two others have beat me to this punch. But, you are basically saying we should not talk about religion on here--without it really being evident that religion is a big topic for discussion on here--and then you give your religious views?

I smell more than one rat on this one.

Gabe

P.S. Randy, do you have experience with Fairbank's locomotives? Last I heard there was only one Trainmaster left in existence. They have always facinated me. Why do they start with a big bang?

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Randy Stahl

I thought the big bang was what happens when you start a Fairbanks locomotive!
Randy

How about a GE "Toaster",belching flames!!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1

I'm not sure what caused the big bang futuremodal. I wasn't there when it happened, but then neither were those that put all their faith in what they believe in either...


Trainluver1

UMMM. I believe that is why they call it "Faith"

[SID6FIVE]

I believe in the power of diesel engines...all hail Saint Rudolph!!!!

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

QUOTE: Originally posted by bbrant

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1
Macguy, I'm trying not to mention any names so as not to hurt anyone's feelings

Trainluver1

Feelings....nothing more than feelings....

hahah..thats extacty what i thought when i read that posting...
hurt feelings are part of life...its time that some people realize that fact insted of trying to force PCisum on other people...

csx engineer

My idea of PC is a battalion of Marines in full battle gear. [:D]

[Randy Stahl]

I thought the big bang was what happens when you start a Fairbanks locomotive!
Randy

[bbrant]

QUOTE: Originally posted by csxengineer98

what the hell? this thread is a bolt out of the blue!!! and besides..if someone wants to bring religion into it... why not..last time i checked the server was in the US... meaning freedom of speach to descuse what ever we want...and if relegion is sometimes brough into a trains forum..its fine with me...
and as far as the person that started this...if you dont like the topic..and it is "to religous" for your teasts...then dont read it...dont sit hear and lectur me on what can and cant be talked about....
csx engineer

Freedom of speech? The ACLU will take care of that.

[csxengineer98]

QUOTE: Originally posted by bbrant

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1
Macguy, I'm trying not to mention any names so as not to hurt anyone's feelings

Trainluver1

Feelings....nothing more than feelings....

hahah..thats extacty what i thought when i read that posting...
hurt feelings are part of life...its time that some people realize that fact insted of trying to force PCisum on other people...
csx engineer

[csxengineer98]

what the hell? this thread is a bolt out of the blue!!! and besides..if someone wants to bring religion into it... why not..last time i checked the server was in the US... meaning freedom of speach to descuse what ever we want...and if relegion is sometimes brough into a trains forum..its fine with me...
and as far as the person that started this...if you dont like the topic..and it is "to religous" for your teasts...then dont read it...dont sit hear and lectur me on what can and cant be talked about....
csx engineer

[bbrant]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1
Macguy, I'm trying not to mention any names so as not to hurt anyone's feelings

Trainluver1

Feelings....nothing more than feelings....

[TurboOne]

We are having these discussions on other forums. We all love trains that is why we are here. Use the coffee shops for other discussions, and talk trains for the rest. Just remember we all love trains, we all love trains, we all love trains.

Tim

[Anonymous]

Macguy, I'm trying not to mention any names so as not to hurt anyone's feelings in particular, but rather get the point across. If you know of a better way, let's hear it.

Trainluver1

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1

I'm not sure what caused the big bang futuremodal. I wasn't there when it happened, but then neither were those that put all their faith in what they believe in either...

As for my beliefs. I'd rather think of them as sciences rather than religions, but if you prefer to call them religions I won't argue.

Trainluver1

...as far as I can see this is the only thread talking about religon on the trains forum. [%-)]

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure what caused the big bang futuremodal. I wasn't there when it happened, but then neither were those that put all their faith in what they believe in either...

As for my beliefs. I'd rather think of them as sciences rather than religions, but if you prefer to call them religions I won't argue.

Trainluver1

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

OK, I'll bite. What caused the Big Bang?

BTW, Universalism and Evolutionism are religions as well.

Where 'bouts is this thread? [%-)]

[Anonymous]

OK, I'll bite. What caused the Big Bang?

BTW, Universalism and Evolutionism are religions as well.

[Anonymous]

When I log into Trains.com, I do so to read and learn about trains-both real and model. It really ticks me off though to see someone use the forum to post and/ or express the fact that they're religious and so forth. If they can do that, then I can express the fact that I'm an Universalist / Evolutionist, and believe that the universe was created by the big bang, and that all things including all life evolved from that event. Of course there are people out there that would greatly disagree with that as much as I disagree with their religious ideas. So how's about we stop the religious stuff and stick to trains and railroading...

Trainluver1