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QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Amtrack runs its Cascade's push=pull, but has a gutted F40PH rebuilt as a baggage car on the push end. It still has the weight to push vehicles off the track. It is my opinion that train 100 would not have derailed had a locomotive - either "real" or "gutted" been leading. That doesn't mean that there still would not have been an accident given that the collision between the Jeep and #100 took place just as they were meeting another moving train and the stopped ballast train. That Jeep had to go somewhere and there is precious little room between the trains.
Originally posted by kenneo "Amtrack runs its Cascade's push=pull, but has a gutted F40PH rebuilt as a baggage car on the push end. It still has the weight to push vehicles off the track." The Long Island Railroad used to used to use gutted Alco FA1s on the as HEP generators on the push end. However, the LIRR switched to cab-control cars on it's diesel only push-pull trains. Dual-mode trains have a locomotive on each end. I wonder what would have happened if MU cars had been invoved instead of a push-pull train. Modeling the Pennsylvania Railroad in N Scale. www.prr-nscale.blogspot.com Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:01 PM Amtrack runs its Cascade's push=pull, but has a gutted F40PH rebuilt as a baggage car on the push end. It still has the weight to push vehicles off the track. It is my opinion that train 100 would not have derailed had a locomotive - either "real" or "gutted" been leading. That doesn't mean that there still would not have been an accident given that the collision between the Jeep and #100 took place just as they were meeting another moving train and the stopped ballast train. That Jeep had to go somewhere and there is precious little room between the trains. Eric Reply BaltACD Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 25,281 posts Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, January 27, 2005 6:09 PM Whether in push or pull mode the incident highlights the need for grade separation. For my two cents....control car operations should only be permitted where there are no street crossings at grade. The vehicle struck, was a Jeep Grand Cherokee....not one of the bigger vehicles on the road. Cab control cars are, in my estimation, too light and have too little collision protection to 'safely' withstand a collisions at a grade crossing. Never too old to have a happy childhood! Reply cnw4001 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Eastern Ohio 615 posts Posted by cnw4001 on Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:49 PM Jury is out on the question and will remain so despite extended debate. Push-pull is becoming the standard around the world on commuter operation and even some medium distance trains. Unless I'm wrong Amtrak runs their Michigan-Chicago trains push pull and that's quite a haul. It may be down by the time you read this but today's LA Times has a story detailing the debate. It's part of thier coverage of the Metrolink crash and one of the few items which doesn't require registration to read, or at least didn't today. Reply mustanggt Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Massachusetts 664 posts Posted by mustanggt on Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:43 PM I was thinking the same thing. Once I heard of a commuter train somewhere in the northeast hitting an 18 wheeler, and It was in push mode, and half of the front coach was destroyed. several people died. But then again the engine being crushed into the first car would do just as much damage... C280 rollin' Reply Brydle Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: CA 7 posts Push Pull Commuter trains Posted by Brydle on Thursday, January 27, 2005 5:34 PM Re the Metrolink Crash in Glendale, CA Jan. 27, 2005. I am sure that if the train had been in the pull mode rather than the push mode there would have been fewer lives lost. The passenger controlcab car is much lighter than a locomotive, and hence will derail more easily. It is interesting to note that the car next to the locomotive was not crushed by the locomotive, which one would expect as the locomotive is much heavier. We have a similar operation with the West Coast Express between Vancouver and Mission B.C. Canada All trains are in the push mode west bound into Vancouver in the Morning. I have warned friends who ride it to not ride in the front car in push mode or in the car next to the Locomotive, as these two cars are at greatest risk for personal injury in the event of a collision or derailment. Should the Government re-examine the saftey aspects of push pull operations? Your comments please. Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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