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Posted by roundstick3@gmail.com on Sunday, May 1, 2022 9:48 PM

Been to NS Bayveiw yard infrastructure is old in boxcar section is old and very little had been done since Conrail era and Pend Central era before that Yard expansion is constrained by N.E. corridor and Highway overpass. ground is swampy. Yard tracks look like they dated from 1930s

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Posted by roundstick3@gmail.com on Sunday, May 1, 2022 9:39 PM

It took the federal safety transportation board for three years to figure out the obvious???

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, May 1, 2022 9:12 PM

Euclid
So how does a railroad get more of those ideal stockholders instead of those that just want a quick buck?

Unfortunately, the stock market is open to anyone with the money to spend.  The John Q Public's of the world don't have much clout - Their purchases (and sales) will be an insigificant trainsaction for virtually any stock.

The danger with when financial conglomerates get involved. They can trade huge amounts of stock, and will do what they can to bring in the yield - including getting representation on the board of directors, where they can try to manage the business so it best benefits them.  The little guy be d****d.

As Balt notes, there are investment firms that seek a nice, consistent returns.  

CSX was successful a few years in beating back The Children's Fund.  But their intentions were kind of obvious.  Now we've got PSR, an invenstment scheme masqurading as an operations plan.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, May 1, 2022 8:45 PM

Euclid
 
tree68 
BEAUSABRE

If it weren't for the "Wall Street Trash" (aka the owners), you wouldn't have a railroad 

You're right.  The issue is the "investors" who are in it for the quick buck and not for growth over time.  Ideally, a stockholder in the railroad should be interested in seeing their money put to best use to generate more money, so their portfolio grows.  

Those investors looking for the quick buck only care about what shows up in their checkbook tomorrow. 

So how does a railroad get more of those ideal stockholders instead of those that just want a quick buck?

The quick buckers are endemic to the 21st Century World.  Bean counters think they control the world; they only care about extracting the last penny out of their victims before rigor mortise sets in on the financial corpse they leave behind.

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Posted by Backshop on Sunday, May 1, 2022 8:42 PM

I used to be invested in a mutual fund run by Ron Baron.  It was called the Baron Asset Fund.  It held stocks for the long-term and did very well.  Ron retired and the new managers went to short-term profits.  The fund started tanking and I bailed.  I don't even know how it's doing nowadays.

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Posted by Euclid on Sunday, May 1, 2022 7:22 PM

tree68

 

 
BEAUSABRE

If it weren't for the "Wall Street Trash" (aka the owners), you wouldn't have a railroad

 

You're right.  The issue is the "investors" who are in it for the quick buck and not for growth over time.  Ideally, a stockholder in the railroad should be interested in seeing their money put to best use to generate more money, so their portfolio grows.  

Those investors looking for the quick buck only care about what shows up in their checkbook tomorrow.

 

So how does a railroad get more of those ideal stockholders instead of those that just want a quick buck?

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, May 1, 2022 4:47 PM

BEAUSABRE

If it weren't for the "Wall Street Trash" (aka the owners), you wouldn't have a railroad

You're right.  The issue is the "investors" who are in it for the quick buck and not for growth over time.  Ideally, a stockholder in the railroad should be interested in seeing their money put to best use to generate more money, so their portfolio grows.  

Those investors looking for the quick buck only care about what shows up in their checkbook tomorrow.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Sunday, May 1, 2022 4:07 PM

BEAUSABRE

If it weren't for the "Wall Street Trash" (aka the owners), you wouldn't have a railroad

Thinking of all the government owned rail systems in Europe and Asia, no Wall Street owners needed.....

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, May 1, 2022 3:51 PM

BEAUSABRE
If it weren't for the "Wall Street Trash" (aka the owners), you wouldn't have a railroad

Maybe the 'owners' should ride the side of cars!

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Sunday, May 1, 2022 1:12 PM

If it weren't for the "Wall Street Trash" (aka the owners), you wouldn't have a railroad

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Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 29, 2022 5:18 PM

Amen...

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, April 29, 2022 2:30 PM

mudchicken
Sorry BALT....sore point that goes back to the 1980's and should be a hot-button issue on all railroads. What's even worse is the lack of awareness in the crafts plus the the ignorance of industry track owners. (long story - predates the frustration with PSR priority crap)

NS ought to have a safety shutdown and then do a mass compliance issue...funded out of the $$$ that otherwise is distributed to the Wall Street Trash instead of invested in the plant.

The sore point for me goes back to the early & mid 1970's when I was Trainmaster at the B&O's Bayview Yard (now CSX) - on the other side of the PRR Main tracks (today's NEC) from the PRR (PC-CR now NS) Bayview Yard.

Incident is so senseless on so many levels.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, April 29, 2022 1:24 PM

Oh no no no.

Exactly what MC is saying... plus all the now-probably-forgotten knowledge on how peiple get on the cars, and off them, when flat-banging cars the PSR way...

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, April 28, 2022 5:19 PM

Sorry BALT....sore point that goes back to the 1980's and should be a hot-button issue on all railroads. What's even worse is the lack of awareness in the crafts plus the the ignorance of industry track owners. (long story - predates the frustration with PSR priority crap)

NS ought to have a safety shutdown and then do a mass compliance issue...funded out of the $$$ that otherwise is distributed to the Wall Street Trash instead of invested in the plant.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, April 28, 2022 4:56 PM

It happening in the NS's Bayview Yard - I have no knowledge.

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, April 28, 2022 4:36 PM

Track centers at that location was what? (certainly less than 13 feet, well below13'-6")

How old were the tracks in their current location? (grandfathering issue)

When was the last time ties and rails marked for clearance point & foul zone. ( I assume the track forces were decimated to start with or further reduced after PSR)

When was the last time now non-extant field engineers out there to mark and check the CP's?

The local safety guy is still on the payroll? (maybe get the next one from the track department side as a replacement)

Maryland COMAR 09.12.91.04 (2-14-1986)

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, April 28, 2022 3:52 PM

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