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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, January 11, 2022 5:48 AM

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Well, I get a week off of work, though not exactly by choice........

Was sick for a good chunk of last week, plus my sister had been sick since Wednesday with what we both thought was a cold/flu. Went down Saturday for a rapid Covid test, both of us turned up positive. So, a week off it is. Have mostly recovered, though it still feels like a bad cold. Both of us fared much better than my other sister who was unvaccinated, she had a high fever for nearly a week.........

So, please try to conserve toilet paper whilst I get better............

 

Cannon Fodder appreciates in value as another supply chain issue is discovered/created?Huh?

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, January 11, 2022 5:55 AM

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I'm busy preparing a presentation on the railroad in a neighboring village, part of a sesquicential event.  In the process of looking for images and other information I discovered a railroad I'd never heard of before.  The product of a local effort, I'm not sure it actually ran any trains of its own, instead having the railroad it connected to provide the service.  Curious.

Looked at the ICC valuation docket(s) for the railroad or the Poors Manual for the railroad in question?; for the time period it began? Those would tell you pretty quick if the railroad was a shell company or an independent operation that fell into the hands of the predecessor of NYC or the other railroads that reached up into that neighborhood?

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022 9:00 AM

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Looked at the ICC valuation docket(s) for the railroad or the Poors Manual for the railroad in question?

Haven't gotten that far into the weeds.  I never knew the Clayton and Theresa existed until I stumbled on it in general research.  The more or less definitive work on railroads in this area, The History of the Rome, Watertown and Ogdensburgh, by Edward Hungerford, never mentions it.

I don't expect any railroad experts in the audience.

But I will check it out.  The C&T was gone by 1870 or so, completely taken over by the Utica and Black River.

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Posted by JoeKoh on Tuesday, January 11, 2022 4:47 PM

evening

Ns had a westbound stack train again today after work.Did chores here at home.Mother nature gave us sunshine today.Time to have supper.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, January 11, 2022 5:35 PM

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  The C&T was gone by 1870 or so, completely taken over by the Utica and Black River.

I was off by a few years.  The 1880 issue of Poor's contains a listing for the C&T.  As I suspected, it states that the railroad owned no rolling stock, using that of the lessee's.

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Posted by MikeF90 on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:18 PM

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So, please try to conserve toilet paper whilst I get better............

Thank you for your service to the nation's hygiene, and hope that you feel better soon. Doctor had to postpone my latest infusion as too many nurses & MAs are out with omicron breakthrough infections.

Been checking out the new VR cam in Wichita, surprising busy with a lot of local traffic. Now obvious why BNSF wants to get their transcon traffic off of this sub.

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Posted by JoeKoh on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 5:26 PM

evening

Ns had a frac sand train go west and a eastbound autorack(?) train after work.There was another headlight eb as we were coming home but didn't see the train.Along Csx while running errands they sent q 352 west and a carl special each way.Went to change the oil in Staceys car and they found a not so nice nail in her tire.Will have the replacement tomorrow.Guessers say possible snow for Sunday/Monday.After all it is winter.

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 6:03 PM

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mudchicken
Looked at the ICC valuation docket(s) for the railroad or the Poors Manual for the railroad in question?

 

Haven't gotten that far into the weeds.  I never knew the Clayton and Theresa existed until I stumbled on it in general research.  The more or less definitive work on railroads in this area, The History of the Rome, Watertown and Ogdensburgh, by Edward Hungerford, never mentions it.

I don't expect any railroad experts in the audience.

But I will check it out.  The C&T was gone by 1870 or so, completely taken over by the Utica and Black River.

 

Per the ICC Valuation Docket and ICC GO-20 for the NYC (#1022), contained in Volumes 27 and 28 of the ICC Valuation Reports. The Utica and Black River RR took over the Clayton & Theresa on 3/31/1886 and then was itself folded into the New York & Hudson River RR on the same day in its Articles of Consolidation in NY on 3/31/1886. (That then folded into NYC proper under those Articles of Consolidation on April 16,1913) ... the two never officially crossed paths until 1913 (Unofficially - Wink)

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:13 PM

mudchicken
Per the ICC Valuation Docket and ICC GO-20 for the NYC (#1022), contained in Volumes 27 and 28 of the ICC Valuation Reports. The Utica and Black River RR took over the Clayton & Theresa on 3/31/1886 and then was itself folded into the New York & Hudson River RR on the same day in its Articles of Consolidation in NY on 3/31/1886. (That then folded into NYC proper under those Articles of Consolidation on April 16,1913) ... the two never officially crossed paths until 1913 (Unofficially - )

I found a Poor's entry on the Clayton and Theresa - they apparently never owned any rolling stock.

Gave my presentation today to about 40 people.  Good audience - laughed at some jokes and had some great questions, and some nice reflections.  I focused a lot on the history and not much on the activities in Clayton (where one could step off one's Pullman and directly onto a steamer). 

One fellow's father and grandfather had both worked for the Central.  I think he said the grandfather was a gandy dancer. 

The presentation was recorded.  When they send me the link, I'll post it.

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, January 13, 2022 5:54 AM

Over on my side of the fence, was asked a question about another obscure operation in northern Virginia, the Richmond and Rappahannock Railway (1912-1917) that only built about a third of its route before imploding. Appears it never got assumed by anybody else and gets confused with two other railroads with Richmond in the company name.(Does not appear in the GO-20 family tree for those other lines - the little history there is makes the early railroad sound like the Van Sweringens in Cleveland gone terribly wrong)

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Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, January 13, 2022 3:54 PM

afternoon

Ns sent an empty powder river train back to BNSF westbound after work.Didn't see any trains on Csx.Got Mammas car back.Mattt decided to venture over to Fostoria today.Glad tomorrow is Friday.

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Posted by JoeKoh on Friday, January 14, 2022 4:31 PM

evening

Ns had an eastbound tanker train with csx power after work.Satyed home and did some chores.Matt has his stuff to go back to school.Guessers say we are going to miss out on the snow.Going to try to go see my brother this weekend as well.Going to need to send hugs next week.

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, January 14, 2022 4:50 PM

+2.0F, chill factor -10.5F as I type this, and it's just going to get colder...

I'm uploading the video from my presentation to YouTube.  When it's done, I'll post a link.

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Posted by mudchicken on Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:43 AM

Thin layer of ice here coating everything. 1" of blowing snow melted on the warm ground (60 degrees here yesterday) and then froze again. Those who didn't slow down and take it easy are now in the ditches or worse. People with little, light 2WD cars would be smarter to walk. Stop signs and intersections are an adventure along with grades.

Not nearly as cold as where Tree is, but still a good day to sit home in front of the fireplace. A dry cold is still COLD.

Brrr! 

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, January 15, 2022 6:23 AM

mudchicken
A dry cold is still COLD.

At 7:15 this morning, I'm looking at -10.9F on the weather station.  That's the air temperature.  The wind chill is -21.4F, and it looks like it approached -30F overnight.  The highest wind logged since midnight is 22 MPH.  Using an old rule of thumb, where you simply subtract the wind speed from the temperature, that put the wind chill in the -30F range.

I had to adjust the wind chill alarm on my weather station from -20F to -30F or it would have been chirping at me all night.  

A friend picked up some distilled water for my humidifier last night.  Actually, they cleaned out that particular store after striking out at several others.  She needs it for her graphics shop, I just need it for comfort, but we split the booty.  Even going through a gallon a day in the humidifier, the house is only at 12% humidity right now.  

The humidity makes a difference in the "feels like" temperature in the house, much like it does on those hot, humid summer days...

I was about half awake this morning when a melody line came to me.  Not much, but perhaps a basis for a song.  A little melancholy - the only lyric was the end of the musical phrase - "I want my Dad."  One of these days, maybe I'll flesh it out...

 

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, January 15, 2022 1:00 PM

Update:  The five videos comprising my talk on local railroads are finally done uploading.  They literally took all night and until well after noon.  They can be found on my YT channel "treesixtyeight."  Be sure to watch them in order - they'll make more sense...  Enjoy.

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Posted by JoeKoh on Saturday, January 15, 2022 3:33 PM

afternoon

Was able to take brother out for a bit.Ns was trying to run trains.Poor Ns 120.They had a 25 mph speed restriction at the St.Joe diamond.Then they had a malfunctioning signal at the sdi switch.(L96 was working sdi at the time as well) The defect detector said "train too slow".So they did get across the diamond at Butler Indiana but they were limited to 30 mph.The next detector would be in Blakeslee Ohio.Matt was able to get up to his dorm today.He came back home and decided to go to Marion for a slide show.Going to relax and watch football.Tomorrow need to give hugs.

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Posted by JoeKoh on Monday, January 17, 2022 4:25 PM

evening

Ns had an empty coal hopper train facing west after work.It was passed by a coke train with some white stuff on the top.We have just had flurries today.Matt has made it back to campus.Yes need to give more hugs this week.Going to get cleaned up.

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Joe

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, January 17, 2022 5:46 PM

We got snow.  Not sure we got the foot they predicted, but 5-6" looks to be a reality.  Coulda done without the wind, though.

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, January 17, 2022 7:25 PM

Freeze warning out tonight for NE Florida.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, January 17, 2022 8:30 PM

There was enough snow last night to bring out a plow this morning, but not enough to shovel.  We're supposed to get a decent-sized snowfall later this week...probably when I need to revisit the lab.  They're going to mine for bone marrow next week; I've heard that's painful.

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Posted by JoeKoh on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 3:28 PM

afternoon

Ns sent an eastbound stack train after work.They also had cars uptown.Mild compared to what it will be later this week.Checking and double checking paperwork for Matt's doctors visits.Time for supper.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, January 18, 2022 9:44 PM

Another night in the icebox.  At 2242, it's already -8.7F.  But, they're promising us above freezing tomorrow.  

Got out for a meeting tonight.  Nice to hit the road every now and then on my own.  

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Posted by JoeKoh on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 2:38 PM

afternoon

Ns sent a westbound stack train after work.Foud out more hugs this weekend.Been a rough strecth past couple of weeks.Mother Nature going to keep us in the deep freeze for a bit.Going to work on a project.

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Joe

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 4:52 PM

Check out the Toga valcano.  It is not wise to fool with mother nature!!

The tremendous explosion and impact of the Tonga volcano, explained (msn.com)

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 4:59 PM

Saw a report that the "gravity waves" (no, I can't explain them, but they showed up on satellite images) may have made a lap of the planet already.

Quite the event.  It apparently did generate some tsunamis.

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Posted by Gramp on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 5:15 PM

15 deg. here now.  To 1 below tonight. Forecast for Packers game Saturday night is wind chill of zero at game time with actual temp to fall into the single digits during the game. 
Announced that Clearwater née KC papermill in Neenah that closed recently will be converted to housing. Former KC hq office next to plant, also. All has nice view of Little Lake Butte des Morts.  Means end of CN switching through warehouse building, across through street and then inside mill. Was something different to watch. 

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Posted by Gramp on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 5:31 PM

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Saw a report that the "gravity waves" (no, I can't explain them, but they showed up on satellite images) may have made a lap of the planet already.

Quite the event.  It apparently did generate some tsunamis.

 

Saw an interview on PBS of a geophysicist about it. Talked about many aspects of the eruption that aren't understood, and the research that'll need to be done including computer modeling. This is why I'm still skeptical of so much of the "settled science" that's promoted constantly. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, January 19, 2022 5:51 PM

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tree68

Saw a report that the "gravity waves" (no, I can't explain them, but they showed up on satellite images) may have made a lap of the planet already.

Quite the event.  It apparently did generate some tsunamis. 

Saw an interview on PBS of a geophysicist about it. Talked about many aspects of the eruption that aren't understood, and the research that'll need to be done including computer modeling. This is why I'm still skeptical of so much of the "settled science" that's promoted constantly. 

There is vastly more science that is settled today than there was the day you were born.  Science learns incrementally in fits and starts.  Every question that gets answered tends to generate 100 more questions that also need answers.  Science is man attempting to understand all the questions that God created when creating the Universe.  Us beings on Earth are just ants in one of God's 'Ant Farms' that he views with amusement if not great hilarity at how dumb we actually are.

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Posted by Gramp on Thursday, January 20, 2022 2:34 AM

Are we really going to make the world a better place by switching from $100 batteries to $20,000 batteries?

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