I have the issue with that story. The cover was by Gil Reid and showed the modified T&P 2-10-2 in service.
jeffhergert timz mudchicken Older grain elevators still have a device that could tilt over to 45 degrees (but not rotate) old grain loading boxcars Trains had an article (1950s?) on car tilters. As I recall they didn't just rotate the car around its longitudinal axis -- the front end of the car tilted up/down as the car was rotating left/right, the way you would do if you were emptying the car by hand. Unloading a box car. About 19 mins 15 secs in. https://www.nfb.ca/film/grain_handling_in_canada/ Jeff
timz mudchicken Older grain elevators still have a device that could tilt over to 45 degrees (but not rotate) old grain loading boxcars Trains had an article (1950s?) on car tilters. As I recall they didn't just rotate the car around its longitudinal axis -- the front end of the car tilted up/down as the car was rotating left/right, the way you would do if you were emptying the car by hand.
mudchicken Older grain elevators still have a device that could tilt over to 45 degrees (but not rotate) old grain loading boxcars
Trains had an article (1950s?) on car tilters. As I recall they didn't just rotate the car around its longitudinal axis -- the front end of the car tilted up/down as the car was rotating left/right, the way you would do if you were emptying the car by hand.
Unloading a box car. About 19 mins 15 secs in.
https://www.nfb.ca/film/grain_handling_in_canada/
Jeff
Gee, what a laborious process (Grain handling).
Gramp jeffhergert timz mudchicken Older grain elevators still have a device that could tilt over to 45 degrees (but not rotate) old grain loading boxcars Trains had an article (1950s?) on car tilters. As I recall they didn't just rotate the car around its longitudinal axis -- the front end of the car tilted up/down as the car was rotating left/right, the way you would do if you were emptying the car by hand. Unloading a box car. About 19 mins 15 secs in. https://www.nfb.ca/film/grain_handling_in_canada/ Jeff Gee, what a laborious process (Grain handling).
Suspect procedures have been streamlined in the march from the 1940's to the 21st Century. Can't imagine any FARMER bringing his crop to the elevator in the back of a pick up truck. Note that the film brags that a box car load of grain can be unloaded in 7 minutes - from the 21st Century viewpoint, unloaing 40 to 70 tons of grain from a box car in 7 minutes is not 'earth shattering' speed.
The thing that blows my mind is just how many acres of grain are farmed between the US and Canada on a yearly basis. I make a yearly jaunt between Topeka, KS and the East Coast - driving through Indiana and Illinois where there are grain fields as far as the eye can see through 360 degrees of vision - that level of grain farming basically exists on every acre of prairie from the Arctic Circle to the Rio Grande River and everywhere in between.
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CSSHEGEWISCHI have the issue with that story. The cover was by Gil Reid and showed the modified T&P 2-10-2 in service.
Many years later with the joys of the Internet available I went back and looked over some of the Fuller-Lehigh development in the 1920s. It was not quite as devoid of common sense as the Trains article made it seem... but it was one of those great drag-era optimizations like the D&H high-pressure compounds.
SD60MAC9500 Murphy is it possible to post a pic of these covered hoppers?
Murphy is it possible to post a pic of these covered hoppers?
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jeffhergert When he said cheap coal that was more like a pile of coal dust, I thought of lignite. The Milwaukee Road had a unit train with special cars with covers that ran up in the Dakotas/Montana between a mine and power plant. There was also an article in Trains many years ago about a steam locomotive modified to use lignite as a test. IIRC, it was a Texas and Pacific engine, called the "snuff dipper" because of the texture of the coal. Jeff
When he said cheap coal that was more like a pile of coal dust, I thought of lignite. The Milwaukee Road had a unit train with special cars with covers that ran up in the Dakotas/Montana between a mine and power plant. There was also an article in Trains many years ago about a steam locomotive modified to use lignite as a test. IIRC, it was a Texas and Pacific engine, called the "snuff dipper" because of the texture of the coal.
BaltACDSuspect procedures have been streamlined in the march from the 1940's to the 21st Century. Can't imagine any FARMER bringing his crop to the elevator in the back of a pick up truck. Note that the film brags that a box car load of grain can be unloaded in 7 minutes - from the 21st Century viewpoint, unloaing 40 to 70 tons of grain from a box car in 7 minutes is not 'earth shattering' speed.
Well definitely they have.
No longer bulk loads in 50-70 ton boxcars, but exclusively high-capacity 100-120 ton covered hoppers.
Grains from the fields are handled with large tractors and grain wagons to the local elevators (which are much larger, consolidated complexes compared to the old "prairie skyscraper" wood structures. Where it will be transloaded to transport trucks and/or rail cars.
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cv_acr BaltACD Suspect procedures have been streamlined in the march from the 1940's to the 21st Century. Can't imagine any FARMER bringing his crop to the elevator in the back of a pick up truck. Note that the film brags that a box car load of grain can be unloaded in 7 minutes - from the 21st Century viewpoint, unloaing 40 to 70 tons of grain from a box car in 7 minutes is not 'earth shattering' speed. Well definitely they have. No longer bulk loads in 50-70 ton boxcars, but exclusively high-capacity 100-120 ton covered hoppers. Grains from the fields are handled with large tractors and grain wagons to the local elevators (which are much larger, consolidated complexes compared to the old "prairie skyscraper" wood structures. Where it will be transloaded to transport trucks and/or rail cars.
BaltACD Suspect procedures have been streamlined in the march from the 1940's to the 21st Century. Can't imagine any FARMER bringing his crop to the elevator in the back of a pick up truck. Note that the film brags that a box car load of grain can be unloaded in 7 minutes - from the 21st Century viewpoint, unloaing 40 to 70 tons of grain from a box car in 7 minutes is not 'earth shattering' speed.
There are several YouTube channels that illustrate 21st Century farming
Laura Farms is one from Nebraska
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaeGRmbs6bk
Welker Farms is another one from Montana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JokzSFQFZdY
Murphy Siding Maybe I'm out of touch. East of Kimball S.D. on the Dakota Southern RR is a ginormous grain elevator. It has a 12 or 13 track storage area that butts up to I-90. I noticed that the covered hoppers there were all red at one end, the way coal cars are painted. Do these run through a rotary dumper to empty the cars?
Maybe I'm out of touch. East of Kimball S.D. on the Dakota Southern RR is a ginormous grain elevator. It has a 12 or 13 track storage area that butts up to I-90. I noticed that the covered hoppers there were all red at one end, the way coal cars are painted. Do these run through a rotary dumper to empty the cars?
Murphy SidingFor what it's worth, that rang a bell with me.
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