BaltACD Murphy Siding Murphy Siding blue streak 1 Here is a link to a back hoe trying to move sand away from the bow. Kind of gives a new meaning of gnat and person size. An excavator is trying to help free a ship stuck in the Suez Canal, but a photo shows how hard that'll be (msn.com) Seeing how the soil there is all sand, it makes sense to me that they would come in with some pumping equipment to wash out underneath the ship. Where do I send the bill for my consulting? Undersand they had to remove between 20 & 30K cubic yards of material from under the bow. I doubt that the banks of the canal are exclusively sand - tidal currents would keep the sand moving. I understand the vessel was operating at about 13 Knots when the incident happened - 13 Knots and 224K tons creates a lot of momentum when it comes to impacing anything.
Murphy Siding Murphy Siding blue streak 1 Here is a link to a back hoe trying to move sand away from the bow. Kind of gives a new meaning of gnat and person size. An excavator is trying to help free a ship stuck in the Suez Canal, but a photo shows how hard that'll be (msn.com) Seeing how the soil there is all sand, it makes sense to me that they would come in with some pumping equipment to wash out underneath the ship. Where do I send the bill for my consulting?
Murphy Siding blue streak 1 Here is a link to a back hoe trying to move sand away from the bow. Kind of gives a new meaning of gnat and person size. An excavator is trying to help free a ship stuck in the Suez Canal, but a photo shows how hard that'll be (msn.com) Seeing how the soil there is all sand, it makes sense to me that they would come in with some pumping equipment to wash out underneath the ship.
blue streak 1 Here is a link to a back hoe trying to move sand away from the bow. Kind of gives a new meaning of gnat and person size. An excavator is trying to help free a ship stuck in the Suez Canal, but a photo shows how hard that'll be (msn.com)
Here is a link to a back hoe trying to move sand away from the bow. Kind of gives a new meaning of gnat and person size.
An excavator is trying to help free a ship stuck in the Suez Canal, but a photo shows how hard that'll be (msn.com)
Seeing how the soil there is all sand, it makes sense to me that they would come in with some pumping equipment to wash out underneath the ship.
Where do I send the bill for my consulting?
Undersand they had to remove between 20 & 30K cubic yards of material from under the bow. I doubt that the banks of the canal are exclusively sand - tidal currents would keep the sand moving.
I understand the vessel was operating at about 13 Knots when the incident happened - 13 Knots and 224K tons creates a lot of momentum when it comes to impacing anything.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Sara T Now it seems ever-ything is given fine: earlier report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKvGKTsAoO4 Suez Canal: How to keep ships from running aground in the future | DW News https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/casualty/suez-canal-authority-video-ever-given-salvage-operations https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/casualty/ever-given-blocking-suez-canal-re-floated The Ever Given, containership blocking the Suez Canal, has been re-floated, and manoeuvres are set to be undertaken to fully restore the direction of vessel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUwWcoIlHwM Cargo ship the Ever Given freed from the Suez Canal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNjUt7FYG2s News Alert: Ever Given ship blocking Suez Canal successfully 'refloated' | Latest English News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP-e4os617c Container ship blocking the Suez Canal partially freed | DW News I believe we have all for-ever given her / it? our best wishes for future course. Oh, here is some explanation of how shipping works today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CIgHnH-1zo latest news: full moon tide helped to free ship and now moving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Mo1tibl1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ej5R4cvdg Sara
Now it seems ever-ything is given fine:
earlier report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKvGKTsAoO4
Suez Canal: How to keep ships from running aground in the future | DW News
https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/casualty/suez-canal-authority-video-ever-given-salvage-operations
https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/casualty/ever-given-blocking-suez-canal-re-floated
The Ever Given, containership blocking the Suez Canal, has been re-floated, and manoeuvres are set to be undertaken to fully restore the direction of vessel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUwWcoIlHwM
Cargo ship the Ever Given freed from the Suez Canal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNjUt7FYG2s
News Alert: Ever Given ship blocking Suez Canal successfully 'refloated' | Latest English News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP-e4os617c
Container ship blocking the Suez Canal partially freed | DW News
I believe we have all for-ever given her / it? our best wishes for future course.
Oh, here is some explanation of how shipping works today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CIgHnH-1zo
latest news: full moon tide helped to free ship and now moving
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Mo1tibl1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ej5R4cvdg
Sara
BaltACD I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point/
I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point/
The canal shipping lane is already much narrower than the water between the banks. One of the technical experts stated that the 200 ft. wide Ever Given, following the centerline, only has only 36 feet on each side before grounding.
One expert suggested that for the monster ships like Ever Given, they could provide safety by connecting ocean tugboats fore and aft. The newest classes of ocean tugs have rotating propulsion units that can move the boat in any direction with instant changes as needed. So they could maintain various pulls to help a ship stay on course while transiting the canal.
The ocean tugs are quite amazing in their own right.
Erik_Mag If the earth was a perfect sphere, 5,400 nautical miles (90 degrees of longitude at the equator) would have equaled 10,000km (90 degrees of longitude - equator to nothpole via Paris).
Am I misreading your intention there?
BaltACD tree68 BaltACD I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point. There are spots on the St Lawrence Seaway that would have trouble with that - especially with the 1,000 foot ore boats. I thought the 1000 foot ore boats were 'lakers' and only navigate the Great Lakes, not the St. Lawrence Seaway.
tree68 BaltACD I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point. There are spots on the St Lawrence Seaway that would have trouble with that - especially with the 1,000 foot ore boats.
BaltACD I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point.
I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point.
There are spots on the St Lawrence Seaway that would have trouble with that - especially with the 1,000 foot ore boats.
I thought the 1000 foot ore boats were 'lakers' and only navigate the Great Lakes, not the St. Lawrence Seaway.
CSSHEGEWISCHThe 1000-footers are confined to Lake Erie and upstream by the size of the locks on the Welland Canal. That being said, tree's comment would easily apply to the Soo Canal as well.
Exactly - Ships on the Welland Canal and the Long Sault locks on the St Lawrence are limited to 766' - that's the length of the locks. Even with that, there are places where such ships could get wedged sideways.
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Murphy: >> I followed one of the links above, that lead to another link etc. and ended up getting Rick-rolled.<<
Since you didn't note which link it was you may simply keep chuckling. Otherwise I would have repaired what seemed to go wrong. But I always check the links I put and if it works with me, it's seems not the link that is to blame when you try to follow it.
SARA
Sara T Murphy: >> I followed one of the links above, that lead to another link etc. and ended up getting Rick-rolled.<< Since you didn't note which link it was you may simply keep chuckling. Otherwise I would have repaired what seemed to go wrong. But I always check the links I put and if it works with me, it's seems not the link that is to blame when you try to follow it. SARA
tree68 CSSHEGEWISCH The 1000-footers are confined to Lake Erie and upstream by the size of the locks on the Welland Canal. That being said, tree's comment would easily apply to the Soo Canal as well. Exactly - Ships on the Welland Canal and the Long Sault locks on the St Lawrence are limited to 766' - that's the length of the locks. Even with that, there are places where such ships could get wedged sideways.
CSSHEGEWISCH The 1000-footers are confined to Lake Erie and upstream by the size of the locks on the Welland Canal. That being said, tree's comment would easily apply to the Soo Canal as well.
Murphy:
Sorry, I don't know Rick, but I tell him when I see him that you will kick his .. his what he has at the backside .. when you see him.
Last he was reported on board of the Ever Given, but since he was wanted for posssibly having something to do with the grounding I'm not sure if he's still on board.
Convicted One Erik_Mag If the earth was a perfect sphere, 5,400 nautical miles (90 degrees of longitude at the equator) would have equaled 10,000km (90 degrees of longitude - equator to nothpole via Paris). Am I misreading your intention there?
Oops.... Corrected in original post.
Erik_Mag Convicted One Erik_Mag If the earth was a perfect sphere, 5,400 nautical miles (90 degrees of longitude at the equator) would have equaled 10,000km (90 degrees of longitude - equator to nothpole via Paris). Am I misreading your intention there? Oops.... Corrected in original post.
Now I'm confused. Did you correct the right "longitude"?
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90 degrees of longitude = ¼ of the way around the earth at the equator
90 degrees of latitude = ¼ of the way around the earth, from equator to pole. (A quarter of the great circle through the poles and the datum point in Paris is the supposed original basis of metric distance measure as Erik hinted.)
Oblateness of the spheroid is considerable, though, as might be expected for continental masses moving at supersonic speed.
Paul of Covington Now I'm confused. Did you correct the right "longitude"?
LOL, it's a matter of comparing miles of longitude along a line of latitude, compared to miles of latitude along a line of longitude. It would actually be a line of longitude passing from the equator to the pole, via Paris.
Not that I claim to be an expert. It took me 62 years to figure out how to determine local longitude with a lensatic compass and a wristwatch.
Convicted OneLOL, it's a matter of comparing miles of longitude along a line of latitude, compared to miles of latitude along a line of longitude.
Overmodthe only line of latitude that works is the equator.
Which was part of Erik's original specification.
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...Now you know the rest of the story
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Ever Given wants me to sign up to 'Linked In'?
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
For those who don't use LinkedIn (a kind of professional social-networking system): the clip is a couple of wiener dogs in safety vests, shown digging in the sand with the 'stuck' ship's bow in the background, then happily receiving treats as we see the 'liberated' Ever Given gliding past in the background.
Sorry if this was a 'spoiler' for anyone...
OvermodFor those who don't use LinkedIn
Thanks, Overmod...I was kind of having the same reaction Balt was having.
So, if delays caused due to this whole fiasco are expected to drive up consumer prices, where do I sign up for the class action suit to recover my losses? Opportunity seems tailor-made for one of those late night TV commercials,
And just which court would have jurisdiction?? The canal is in Egypt, the ship is Japanese-owned (I think) and we never heard which flag the ship flew under.
CSSHEGEWISCHAnd just which court would have jurisdiction?? The canal is in Egypt, the ship is Japanese-owned (I think) and we never heard which flag the ship flew under.
Operating under a Panama flag, I understand; with a Indian crew.
Convicted One So, if delays caused due to this whole fiasco are expected to drive up consumer prices, where do I sign up for the class action suit to recover my losses? Opportunity seems tailor-made for one of those late night TV commercials,
But if you sue and win, the damages paid to you will just raise the prices of the goods that are transported and YOU and I will have to pay those higher prices.
Should I then sue you to recover the losses I incur because of the settlement you got?
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Semper VaporoShould I then sue you to recover the losses I incur because of the settlement you got?
Not if my exit strategy pays off. The key is to sue, win, set up the payoff as part of a trust based in South Dakota, and then file personal bankruptcy. And hopefully die before you can
untangle South Dakota trust protections. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Convicted One Semper Vaporo Should I then sue you to recover the losses I incur because of the settlement you got?
Semper Vaporo Should I then sue you to recover the losses I incur because of the settlement you got?
You may have to hurry with that; I have both feet in the grave and I am just trying to decide which way I want to face when I lie down.
Perhaps I'll just settle for placing a flaming bag of organic fertilizer on the front porches of the major stockholders. I don't suppose you want a share of that, too?
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