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Posted by Euclid on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 7:22 PM

Murphy Siding

Thinking out loud, bear with me-

Let's say the ship was heading north in the north-south canal. The wind blows hard and turns the ship at an angle toward one shore or the other. The ship plows into the bank under power and buries the bow into the bank. Let's say the wind was out of the west. That could conveivably push the bow into the east bank. How did the tail end of the ship get buried into the west bank? Wouldn't the same wind tend to push the tail end east as well?

 

Here is how it was described in one of the detailed reports:

In your picture of the ship heading north, the wind blew it off center, to the west.  To get back to center, the crew steered at a shallow angle to the east.  But they steered too sharply and overcorrected.  So the ship angled off to the east, crossed over the center and continued angling to the east.  Then it struck the east bank at a fairly shallow angle of maybe 10-15 degrees to the centerline.  It dug into the bank and stopped abruptly.  The ship’s momentum then continued moving the ship by rotating it clockwise around the point where its bow had stuck into the bank as it stopped moving forward, and even somewhat after it had stopped moving forward, until the stern swung around and hooked into the west bank. 

It was reported that the ship was traveling at a relatively high rate of speed when this overcorrection and loss of control developed.  

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 6:13 PM

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And just which court would have jurisdiction??  The canal is in Egypt, the ship is Japanese-owned (I think) and we never heard which flag the ship flew under.

 

Operating under a Panama flag, I understand; with a Indian crew.

 

I thought there was also a German management team somewhere in the mix as well?

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 6:11 PM

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Should I then sue you to recover the losses I incur because of the settlement you got?

 

Not if my exit strategy pays off. The key is to sue, win, set up the payoff as part of a trust based in South Dakota, and then file personal bankruptcy. And hopefully die before you can

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 4:23 PM

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Perhaps I'll just settle for placing a flaming bag of organic fertilizer on the front porches of the major stockholders.  I don't suppose you want a share of that, too? Mischief 

I am sure I could contribute some of that material if you are in need of a little more.

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 2:00 PM

Overmod

For those who don't use LinkedIn (a kind of professional social-networking system): the clip is a couple of wiener dogs in safety vests, shown digging in the sand with the 'stuck' ship's bow in the background, then happily receiving treats as we see the 'liberated' Ever Given gliding past in the background.

Sorry if this was a 'spoiler' for anyone... Whistling

 

Sorry - every attempt to separate the link to the video from Linked-In's feed failed this morning.  (and using scottish terriers to excavate would have drained the whole canal to the other side of the globe)Embarrassed

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 1:55 PM

Perhaps I'll just settle for placing a flaming bag of organic fertilizer on the front porches of the major stockholders.  I don't suppose you want a share of that, too? Mischief 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 1:49 PM

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Semper Vaporo
Should I then sue you to recover the losses I incur because of the settlement you got?

You may have to hurry with that; I have both feet in the grave and I am just trying to decide which way I want to face when I lie down.

 

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 1:09 PM

Semper Vaporo
Should I then sue you to recover the losses I incur because of the settlement you got?

Not if my exit strategy pays off. The key is to sue, win, set up the payoff as part of a trust based in South Dakota, and then file personal bankruptcy. And hopefully die before you can

untangle South Dakota trust protections. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Time 

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:47 PM

Semper Vaporo
Should I then sue you to recover the losses I incur because of the settlement you got?

Why not?  That's just a subset of the economics phenomenon "rational expectations" that is one of the principal invisible hands that drive inflation...

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:43 PM

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So, if  delays caused due to this whole fiasco are expected to drive up consumer prices, where do I sign up for the class action suit to recover my losses?   Opportunity seems tailor-made for one of those late night TV commercials,

But if you sue and win, the damages paid to you will just raise the prices of the goods that are transported and YOU and I will have to pay those higher prices.

Should I then sue you to recover the losses I incur because of the settlement you got?

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:36 PM

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And just which court would have jurisdiction??  The canal is in Egypt, the ship is Japanese-owned (I think) and we never heard which flag the ship flew under.

Operating under a Panama flag, I understand; with a Indian crew.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:24 PM

And just which court would have jurisdiction??  The canal is in Egypt, the ship is Japanese-owned (I think) and we never heard which flag the ship flew under.

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:20 PM

So, if  delays caused due to this whole fiasco are expected to drive up consumer prices, where do I sign up for the class action suit to recover my losses?   Opportunity seems tailor-made for one of those late night TV commercials,

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:16 PM

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For those who don't use LinkedIn

 

Thanks, Overmod...I was kind of having the same reaction Balt was having.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:38 AM

For those who don't use LinkedIn (a kind of professional social-networking system): the clip is a couple of wiener dogs in safety vests, shown digging in the sand with the 'stuck' ship's bow in the background, then happily receiving treats as we see the 'liberated' Ever Given gliding past in the background.

Sorry if this was a 'spoiler' for anyone... Whistling

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:37 AM

For those who don't use LinkedIn (a kind of professional social-networking system): the clip is a couple of wiener dogs in safety vests, shown digging in the sand with the 'stuck' ship's bow in the background, then happily receiving treats as we see the 'liberated' Ever Given gliding past in the background.

Sorry if this was a 'spoiler' for anyone...

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:37 AM

For those who don't use LinkedIn (a kind of professional social-networking system): the clip is a couple of wiener dogs in safety vests, shown digging in the sand with the 'stuck' ship's bow in the background, then happily receiving treats as we see the 'liberated' Ever Given gliding past in the background.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:30 AM

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 10:12 AM
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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 9:18 AM

Overmod
the only line of latitude that works is the equator.

Which was part of Erik's original specification.  Yes

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 1:09 AM

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LOL, it's a matter of comparing miles of longitude along a line of latitude, compared to miles of latitude along a line of longitude.

Well, a little more specific than that (because we don't use east and west poles); while any line of longitude is a great circle in our hypothetical sphere, the only line of latitude that works is the equator.

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 12:02 AM

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   Now I'm confused.  Did you correct the right "longitude"?

LOL, it's a matter of comparing miles of longitude along a line of latitude, compared to miles of latitude along a line of longitude.  It would actually be a line of longitude passing from the equator to the pole, via Paris.

Not that I claim to be an expert. It took me 62 years to figure out how to determine local longitude with a lensatic compass and a wristwatch.    Dunce

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:59 PM

90 degrees of longitude = ¼ of the way around the earth at the equator

90 degrees of latitude = ¼ of the way around the earth, from equator to pole.  (A quarter of the great circle through the poles and the datum point in Paris is the supposed original basis of metric distance measure as Erik hinted.)

Oblateness of the spheroid is considerable, though, as might be expected for continental masses moving at supersonic speed.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:27 PM

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If the earth was a perfect sphere, 5,400 nautical miles (90 degrees of longitude at the equator) would have equaled 10,000km (90 degrees of longitude - equator to nothpole via Paris).

 

Am I misreading your intention there?

 

 

 

Oops.... Corrected in original post.

 

   Now I'm confused.  Did you correct the right "longitude"?

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 10:38 PM

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If the earth was a perfect sphere, 5,400 nautical miles (90 degrees of longitude at the equator) would have equaled 10,000km (90 degrees of longitude - equator to nothpole via Paris).

 

Am I misreading your intention there?

 

Oops.... Corrected in original post.

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Posted by Sara T on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 1:15 PM

Murphy:

Sorry, I don't know Rick, but I tell him when I see him that you will kick his .. his what he has at the backside .. when you see him.

Last he was reported on board of the Ever Given, but since he was wanted for posssibly having something to do with the grounding I'm not sure if he's still on board. 

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Posted by Backshop on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 1:13 PM

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The 1000-footers are confined to Lake Erie and upstream by the size of the locks on the Welland Canal.  That being said, tree's comment would easily apply to the Soo Canal as well.

 

Exactly - Ships on the Welland Canal and the Long Sault locks on the St Lawrence are limited to 766' - that's the length of the locks.  Even with that, there are places where such ships could get wedged sideways. 

 

That's also why all 13 thousand-footers are American owned.  There's not much commerce on Lake Ontario on the American side.  It all goes from Superior to either Michigan (Chicago area) or Erie.  

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 12:42 PM

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Murphy: >> I followed one of the links above, that lead to another link etc. and ended up getting Rick-rolled.<<

Since you didn't note which link it was you may simply keep chuckling. Otherwise I would have repaired what seemed to go wrong. But I always check the links I put and if it works with me, it's seems not the link that is to blame when you try to follow it.

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It wasn't a link you provided. I probably followed one of your links that lead to other links that sent me down a rabbit hole that ended with Rick.

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Posted by Sara T on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 12:03 PM

Murphy: >> I followed one of the links above, that lead to another link etc. and ended up getting Rick-rolled.<<

Since you didn't note which link it was you may simply keep chuckling. Otherwise I would have repaired what seemed to go wrong. But I always check the links I put and if it works with me, it's seems not the link that is to blame when you try to follow it.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, March 30, 2021 11:06 AM

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The 1000-footers are confined to Lake Erie and upstream by the size of the locks on the Welland Canal.  That being said, tree's comment would easily apply to the Soo Canal as well.

Exactly - Ships on the Welland Canal and the Long Sault locks on the St Lawrence are limited to 766' - that's the length of the locks.  Even with that, there are places where such ships could get wedged sideways. 

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