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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:12 PM

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Thursday, April 8, 2021 10:09 PM

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When they started changing to red glass lenses in the 3:00 & 9:00 positions for s horizontal indication, the center lamp was extinguished. Then they went with green lenses at the 12:00 & 6:00 positions for a vertical indication and the center position was again extinguished.  

 

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, April 8, 2021 9:27 PM

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I know the ship could be sold but would they actually have any legal reason to seize the contents of the containers?  The contents don't belong to the ship owners or operators. 

Maritime law can be funny.  See here for instance: 

https://www.workboat.com/viewpoints/quirks-property-loss-sea

http://www.bullivant.com/mobile/showarticle.aspx?show=7271&

When Egypt gets the number of Euros they want - the vessel will sail on to destination.

Just like anything else in the World - Follow the money.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 8, 2021 8:28 PM

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I know the ship could be sold but would they actually have any legal reason to seize the contents of the containers?  The contents don't belong to the ship owners or operators.

Maritime law can be funny.  See here for instance:

https://www.workboat.com/viewpoints/quirks-property-loss-sea

http://www.bullivant.com/mobile/showarticle.aspx?show=7271&

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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, April 8, 2021 7:31 PM

I know the ship could be sold but would they actually have any legal reason to seize the contents of the containers?  The contents don't belong to the ship owners or operators.

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Posted by beaulieu on Thursday, April 8, 2021 5:56 PM

Neither the ship nor the containers onboard are going anywhere soon. Likely they are hostages of the Egyptian Government(on behalf of the Canal Authority). They contents of the containers will likely be ransomed off at some date in the future if they contents are of a nature as to be copywrited.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, April 7, 2021 1:05 PM

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, April 4, 2021 8:28 PM

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There are going to be a lot of unhapy shippers if their container(s) is held up due to maritine law.  I can imagine any where between 1000 and 5000 shippers.  Then you have the secondary and third ultimate receivers of  parts..   

Can the parties argue in Egyptian?  Especially Egyptian's that only want to get paid top Euro for their damages both real and imagined.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, April 4, 2021 7:16 PM

There are going to be a lot of unhapy shippers if their container(s) is held up due to maritine law.  I can imagine any where between 1000 and 5000 shippers.  Then you have the secondary and third ultimate receivers of  parts..   

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Posted by ChuckCobleigh on Saturday, April 3, 2021 10:21 AM

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If one features that the US legal system is a labyrinth - it is just a appetizer in comparison maritime law and its application amongst all the participating countries and their multiplicity of claims when something goes 'wrong'.

If you truly want to get the mother of all headaches, read any selected appeals court case involving maritime law. My assessment is a body of law developed over hundreds of years by jurists under the influence of LSD.

Just sayin’.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, April 2, 2021 7:55 PM

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Since each ship has different handling characteristics, the pilots pass instructions to the helm and crew as appropriate.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, April 2, 2021 7:54 PM

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Regarding the ship's ownership and management.

The ship is chartered to Evergreen Marine Corp. a Taiwanese company.

The ship is co-owned by Luster Maritime and Higaki Sangyo Kaisha both of Japan

The ship is registered in and flagged in Panama

The ship's Master and crew are from India

The ship is insured in the United Kingdom.

The Court that will hear the case will be an Admiralty Court in London.

I believe that the Owners have declared the ship and its cargo a total loss and have declared "General Average". This is due to the likely cost of freeing the ship, damage to the ship, and any fines imposed by the Canal Authority.

I hope that the owners of the ship's cargo have separate "Cargo Insurance" as they might lose all of it.

If one features that the US legal system is a labyrinth - it is just a appetizer in comparison maritime law and its application amongst all the participating countries and their multiplicity of claims when something goes 'wrong'.

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Posted by beaulieu on Friday, April 2, 2021 4:27 PM

Regarding the ship's ownership and management.

The ship is chartered to Evergreen Marine Corp. a Taiwanese company.

The ship is co-owned by Luster Maritime and Higaki Sangyo Kaisha both of Japan

The ship is registered in and flagged in Panama

The ship's Master and crew are from India

The ship is insured in the United Kingdom.

The Court that will hear the case will be an Admiralty Court in London.

I believe that the Owners have declared the ship and its cargo a total loss and have declared "General Average". This is due to the likely cost of freeing the ship, damage to the ship, and any fines imposed by the Canal Authority.

I hope that the owners of the ship's cargo have separate "Cargo Insurance" as they might lose all of it.

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Posted by Euclid on Friday, April 2, 2021 4:26 PM

The most recent summary I read says the ship steering became uncontrollable in a 46 mph side wind.   

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Posted by York1 on Thursday, April 1, 2021 3:32 PM

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, April 1, 2021 12:07 PM

Since each ship has different handling characteristics, the pilots pass instructions to the helm and crew as appropriate.

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Posted by adkrr64 on Thursday, April 1, 2021 11:38 AM

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I've read they have Egyptian pilots.

Do the pilots actually take the helm, or are they there to guide and oversee the regular ship's crew as they handle the ship?

On the RR, sometimes the pilots actually run the locomotives and sometimes they just advise the engineer, depending on the situation.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, April 1, 2021 11:36 AM

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I haven't read through all the posts, so if this has been covered, forgive me.

Do the ships go through the canal with the ship's captain running the ship, or does the canal require a pilot to come on board?

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:44 AM

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I haven't read through all the posts, so if this has been covered, forgive me.

Do the ships go through the canal with the ship's captain running the ship, or does the canal require a pilot to come on board?

 

I've read they have Egyptian pilots.

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Posted by York1 on Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:18 AM

I haven't read through all the posts, so if this has been covered, forgive me.

Do the ships go through the canal with the ship's captain running the ship, or does the canal require a pilot to come on board?

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, April 1, 2021 9:44 AM

Back to the Ever Given - One thing that is being overlooked about the speed that the vessel was operating - the slower the vessel goes through the water the less rudder authority is created in order to control the vessel.  Vessels need movement through the water to be able to steer.  When you have a single prop, single rudder vessel of 400m long you need to have rudder authority.

Secondarily there are fluid dynamic issues between the vessel and the banks and bottom of the canal that inject additional issues into the control of the ULCC's navigating the canal.

Reports I have read indicate that the normal passage time through the canal is 12 to 16 hours and the canal is operated by fleeting vessels to meet and pass each other at the Great Bitter Lake as most of the canal on either side of the lake is a single stream.

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 1, 2021 9:07 AM

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Charts and rules don't make that distinction.  Observed installations over the years did.

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 11:30 PM

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When they started changing to red glass lenses in the 3:00 & 9:00 positions for s horizontal indication, the center lamp was extinguished. Then they went with green lenses at the 12:00 & 6:00 positions for a vertical indication and the center position was again extinguished. 

 

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 9:50 PM

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The Lunar White restricting on B&O signals was the entry to unsignalled territory.  The horizontal red with top or bottom white marker is restricting into SIGNALED territory. The Lunar White restricting was also used in dark TTTO territory as a Distant Signal to a interlocking with a absolute signal. 

Thanks for the clarification.  Current signal charts don't make that distinction.

It also clears up some confusion - it's well known that the B&O CPLs don't have the lamps they'll never use for a given location.  Which is why the CPLs at Deshler don't have the lunars.

Charts and rules don't make that distinction.  Observed installations over the years did.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 9:34 PM

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The Lunar White restricting on B&O signals was the entry to unsignalled territory.  The horizontal red with top or bottom white marker is restricting into SIGNALED territory. The Lunar White restricting was also used in dark TTTO territory as a Distant Signal to a interlocking with a absolute signal.

Thanks for the clarification.  Current signal charts don't make that distinction.

It also clears up some confusion - it's well known that the B&O CPLs don't have the lamps they'll never use for a given location.  Which is why the CPLs at Deshler don't have the lunars.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 8:57 PM

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permissive/restricting indication with "lunar" 

B&O used lunar in the "backwards" lamps for restricting, although none of the CPLs at Deshler has those lunar lamps.  Restricting there now is shown on the CPLs with a red (horizontal) on the main disk and a top or bottom marker lit.

The Lunar White restricting on B&O signals was the entry to unsignalled territory.  The horizontal red with top or bottom white marker is restricting into SIGNALED territory.

The Lunar White restricting was also used in dark TTTO territory as a Distant Signal to a interlocking with a absolute signal.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 8:40 PM

Electroliner 1935
permissive/restricting indication with "lunar"

B&O used lunar in the "backwards" lamps for restricting, although none of the CPLs at Deshler has those lunar lamps.  Restricting there now is shown on the CPLs with a red (horizontal) on the main disk and a top or bottom marker lit.

As an aside, the "Darth Vader" signals on the SW transfer have a lunar in the middle head to indicate restricting.

Now back to ships...

 

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Wednesday, March 31, 2021 8:19 PM

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Since your gif has position light signals, and they had incandescent lamps with amber lenses. they can't give the permissive/restricting indication with "lunar" (bluish white) color lamps. On the PRR, the left or right diagonals were all amber. All lamps were amber. When they started changing to red glass lenses in the 3:00 & 9:00 positions for s horizontal indication, the center lamp was extinguished. Then they went with green lenses at the 12:00 & 6:00 positions for a vertical indication and the center position was again extinguished. 

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