Sara T Tree68: Ouwh: 700 ci or 11.5 liters per cylinder? Now wait a minute; Juni! help! No, I can figure this out: My cylinders were 450x660 mm, that is ... ehm-ehm-ehm ... 105 liters. Still almost ten times as much. Relaxed! SARA 05003
Tree68:
Ouwh: 700 ci or 11.5 liters per cylinder? Now wait a minute; Juni! help! No, I can figure this out: My cylinders were 450x660 mm, that is ... ehm-ehm-ehm ... 105 liters. Still almost ten times as much.
Relaxed!
SARA 05003
Goodness - 17" bore and 25" stroke. I'm impressed.
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Sara T SD70 Dude: why would they make up trains that cannot fit in a siding? What about emergency, a hot axle bearing or ...
SD70 Dude: why would they make up trains that cannot fit in a siding? What about emergency, a hot axle bearing or ...
It's all about money.
If something breaks that car will be set out, and all the other trains will wait for the problem to be fixed. Timekeeping really isn't important out here, I suppose that must seem alien to someone used to busy European systems with fast passenger trains everywhere.
Sara T I believe the mid locos and end locos are remote controlled. You are not afraid there might be something to come between wireless control and these locos don't react to what you command them to do? Or, today you must also take into account some intentional disturbance? 05003
I believe the mid locos and end locos are remote controlled. You are not afraid there might be something to come between wireless control and these locos don't react to what you command them to do? Or, today you must also take into account some intentional disturbance?
05003
Comm loss with remotes and the EOT is a problem on long trains, especially in tunnels and areas with rugged terrain. If you have more than one remote consist I believe they will relay radio signals from the lead unit to each other. And when in comm loss the remote will keep doing whatever its last command was for a set period of time, I believe it's one hour.
If you want to override this a full service train brake application will signal the remotes to idle down. This is done through the brake pipe, so will remain an option even if you have completely lost radio communication. And of course an emergency brake application will also force the remotes back to idle.
There are some areas that are known comm loss zones. When approaching them train handling should be planned accordingly, so the train can run through the area without needing to change what the remote is doing.
On long trains you always have to be thinking 10 or 20 miles ahead, as well as about where you are.
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Semper VaporoSARA You added a "smiley" to the end of your posting and it showed up when you posted, but when BaltACD quoted you, the encoding to make the smiley show up is lost and only the name of the smiley is kept, and the one you used is named, "Confused". It may not be the emotion you were thinking when you posted it, but that is what the creator of the smiley was intending it to represent. I find many emoticons to be subject to interpretation by the user that has no correlation to what the creator of the thing wanted it to mean.
Kalmbach IT strikes again! Both in creating the 'name' for the emoticons and then striping the activating coding when it is quoted in further posts.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Semper Vapore (I agree!)
Aach! So! Du liebe Zeit! [learn a little bit German with me :-)] Now I understand, that's tricky hehehe!
Ok, I better leave them off.
Add: the UP container train:
Seeing the video of the cars stream by - "whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo ... (I stop here or it would fill this page and the following pages) - it came to my mind: this is the railroad-friend's version of counting sheep for getting to sleep.
No, not really. At the site of the action we bravely watch and keep watching, we feel the wind but stand straight, a dust corn may make us twinkle for a moment but not turn away until the last c.. uhm, locomotive has whuooshed by. And then we turn to our friend with big eyes and just release one impressed "whouuh!". :-))
BaltACD:
One more thing strikes me: I cannot make a full screen video of it, I have to see it post stamp size. This gets on my nerves: so much white screen around! My eyes -ohh!
SARA You added a "smiley" to the end of your posting and it showed up when you posted, but when BaltACD quoted you, the encoding to make the smiley show up is lost and only the name of the smiley is kept, and the one you used is named, "Confused". It may not be the emotion you were thinking when you posted it, but that is what the creator of the smiley was intending it to represent. I find many emoticons to be subject to interpretation by the user that has no correlation to what the creator of the thing wanted it to mean.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Since I cannot write a pm, sorry:
BaltACD: why did you add the word 'confused' to your quotation of my posting? I was not confused.
Like on the other quotation by SD60MAC9500: 'indifferent'
Who puts these words that don't belong to mine? They make a wrong impression to others.
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The video is impressive. Two containers: that's the large profile. But one container: why can't it be on a truck (not that I want to promote it)? it is about 2,50m wide that would be acceptable?
How do you stop, more so release brakes on such a loooooooooong train without ripping it in two or three?
SARA
That 18,000' UP train was a test that was not initially repeated, but in the years since some railroads have started regularly running trains that approach that length.
CN runs intermodals at up to 16,000' in western Canada when the traffic suits it. So far I've only seen them running westbound, as it is still a mostly single track railroad out here and most long sidings can only hold 12,000' (trains of all types run at that length in both directions). Our westbound intermodals are usually a lot lighter than eastbounds, as they carry many empty containers heading back to Asia.
The longer intermodals usually have both mid-train and tail-end remotes, and are fairly smooth to operate. But aside from not fitting in any sidings they take a very long time to build or put away in yards, and once out on the road there are almost no places where they can stop without blocking crossings.
The heaviest trains we run are unit coal, petroleum coke, grain, potash and sulphur trains in the 200-230 car range (two shorter 100ish car trains are often combined into one, and the resulting 'double train' may have more than one commodity), weighing up to about 32,000 tons.
Sara TGuys, here I have found 'the longest train' (sounds like a film title, doesn't it?) THE Longest and Heaviest train OFFICIALLY in the world - YouTube It is actually a bit unfair because of the locos in the train, it could be regarded as four trains together with two six axle loco units each. But the combined load is impressive, it's (almost) as long as some shorter lines in Germany in total, hehehe! It takes 8 minutes to pass by if at higher speed than the CSX train. SARA 05003
THE Longest and Heaviest train OFFICIALLY in the world - YouTube
It is actually a bit unfair because of the locos in the train, it could be regarded as four trains together with two six axle loco units each.
But the combined load is impressive, it's (almost) as long as some shorter lines in Germany in total, hehehe! It takes 8 minutes to pass by if at higher speed than the CSX train.
Take nothing away from BHP or the operation of their record train.
That being said, BHP is a 'one trick pony'; they are exclusively Iron Ore carriers between the mine location(s) and destination(s). They are not a 'common carrier' railroad such as the Class 1 US carriers are; handling all kinds of commodities for any number of shipper/consignees.
This video is of a 18000 foot Union Pacific intermodal train that is hauling hundreds of shipping containers - notice that each railraod car body is hauling normally 2 shipping containers. These are containers that do not get hauled on highways by truck drivers to contend for road space with automobiles. My understanding is this train originated in Texas and was being hauled to the port area of Los Angeles - approximately 2K miles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYdId4rtaeQ
Sara TDo the American highway trucks 'scream'?
Figuratively speaking - compare the 1000 +/- RPM of the locomotives (and a displacement per cylinder around 700 ci or 11.5 liters) to the as-much-as 3,500 RPM of an over-the-road Diesel (total displacement ~10 liters).
Auweiha (German for .. don't know)
Now we don't know at all. Could be from 5000 HP (2x2500) to 20000 (4xoverload), ok, not quite.
Since I don't know these diesel bodybuilder locos, you can tell me whatever you like.
Do the American highway trucks 'scream'? I checked some videos, have one here for you by 'Happiness by the Mile' trucking through Yellowstone in a Western truck. Hmm .. it isn't loud, it's quite comfortable, maybe I should look at this job more closely ...?
Truck Driving Adventures | Trucking Through Yellowstone - YouTube
The landscape in America is sure impressive and worth exploring.
It interests me because I also have a truck license and drove our truck when we were filming in Anatolia, eastern Turkey. The roads there are ... puhh!
Guys, here I have found 'the longest train' (sounds like a film title, doesn't it?)
jeffhergert tree68 Sara T About 3000 horse power motors (?) makes 12000 horse power. Surprising to me: they never sound at the limit of their power, rather so-so, like it's nothing too hard. Actually, each locomotive is 4,400 HP (about 3,300 KW). That's for the newest big road locomotives. Some older locos run in the 2,500 to 3,000 HP range. The maximum RPM on those Diesels is only in the 1,000 RPM range, so you won't hear the same "scream" as you hear from highway trucks. And the Deshler area is rather flat, so the locomotives rarely are pushed to their limit. Occasionally you'll hear a train starting up from a stop at West Deshler - you can definitely hear the throbbing of those big prime movers then. That 3rd engine sure looks like an SD40-2 (3000 hp) to me. Jeff
tree68 Sara T About 3000 horse power motors (?) makes 12000 horse power. Surprising to me: they never sound at the limit of their power, rather so-so, like it's nothing too hard. Actually, each locomotive is 4,400 HP (about 3,300 KW). That's for the newest big road locomotives. Some older locos run in the 2,500 to 3,000 HP range. The maximum RPM on those Diesels is only in the 1,000 RPM range, so you won't hear the same "scream" as you hear from highway trucks. And the Deshler area is rather flat, so the locomotives rarely are pushed to their limit. Occasionally you'll hear a train starting up from a stop at West Deshler - you can definitely hear the throbbing of those big prime movers then.
Sara T About 3000 horse power motors (?) makes 12000 horse power. Surprising to me: they never sound at the limit of their power, rather so-so, like it's nothing too hard.
Actually, each locomotive is 4,400 HP (about 3,300 KW). That's for the newest big road locomotives. Some older locos run in the 2,500 to 3,000 HP range.
The maximum RPM on those Diesels is only in the 1,000 RPM range, so you won't hear the same "scream" as you hear from highway trucks. And the Deshler area is rather flat, so the locomotives rarely are pushed to their limit.
Occasionally you'll hear a train starting up from a stop at West Deshler - you can definitely hear the throbbing of those big prime movers then.
That 3rd engine sure looks like an SD40-2 (3000 hp) to me.
Jeff
I suspect the 3rd & 4th engines are Dead in Tow to Cumberland Shop. Normal power for empties from Baltimore back to them mines is 2 units. With the grades, the tractive effort of a single unit can get the train to Cumberland, two units allows the train to operate at track speed.
Sara T What is the weight of one of these cars? SARA 05003
What is the weight of one of these cars?
286K lbs. (143 tons) is the gross railcar weight. Most lines are equipped to handle 286K cars. Some as high as 315K. Aluminum coal gons typically have a tare (empty) weight around 42K lbs., with a net (weight of the load) of 244K lbs..
Thank you both for the info!
Ohhh! Then it is 4400 by four: 17600 HP!!
But I believe the traction is even more impressive. A seizable part of weight of the cars must go into making them resist such an enormous pulling force. And I heard the wheels screaming at some part of the train. The curve does look wide spread, isn't there an extra wear of flanges because of that strong pulling? What about mountain sections with tighter curves?
GE 4400 HP AC traction specs
wikipedia ower output 4,400 hp (3,300 kW) Tractive effort 180,000 lbf (800 kN) Starting145,000 lbf (640 kN) at 13.7 mph (22.0 km/h)
180,000 lbf (800 kN) Starting145,000 lbf (640 kN) at 13.7 mph (22.0 km/h)
Normal weight on rail is 412K pounds - CSX added an additional 20K pounds and made software changes to increase tractive effort.
Anything BUT boring, young Mr. Harrison has a new video premiere at 7:30 PM EST tonight.
Check the "From The Wilds Of Upstate New York" topic for his latest entry with the link.
Or link it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujoq829A_Dc
456 Axles! (in Europe we count axles, not cars: there are a number of four wheel cars among the newer eight wheel cars in freight trains). What is the weight of one of these cars? Are they loaden? Then what was the total weight of the train?
These twelve wheel diesels have a tractive effort that almost makes me shiver! And they are four! About 3000 horse power motors (?) makes 12000 horse power. Surprising to me: they never sound at the limit of their power, rather so-so, like it's nothing too hard. What tractive effort will they reach combined? I believe it is steel bursting anyhow!
Too bad Miningman's banned, I'm sure he'd have some boring videos to share!
Boring - in line and welding
BaltACDNow you are denigrating the artistic efforts of all the taggers that used the cars as the canvas of their artistry
Oh good Lord, I would never want to do that!
blue streak 1A question for our optics gurus. The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror. What is the cause ?
Mark I eyeballs vizualized them as RED.
As info, the recording instrument is a Garmin VIRB Elite action camara, that is afixed to a device between the headrests on my Triumph TR-7 convertible. It is recording at 780P and 30 frames per second. White Balance is automatic.
In reviewing the video - the flashers go from 'yellowish' to RED and back periodically. I find it amazing the ways in which video camera shutters distort some actions. The color shift in this video. Propeller planes with tips of the prop 'bending' back over the engine. There is one video floating around the web of a helicopter taking off where the rotor blades seem stationary.
Overmod blue streak 1 The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror. What is the cause ? Likely not a white-balance issue. Observe the periodicity. The 'yellow' is the crossing light being "overexposed' by the CCD. As it gets out of phase we see red because only part of the light is emitted during the time the elements are reading; then they go out of phase entirely and the light appears to vanish entirely (even though we know it is still "visibly" on to human perception).
blue streak 1 The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror. What is the cause ?
Likely not a white-balance issue. Observe the periodicity. The 'yellow' is the crossing light being "overexposed' by the CCD. As it gets out of phase we see red because only part of the light is emitted during the time the elements are reading; then they go out of phase entirely and the light appears to vanish entirely (even though we know it is still "visibly" on to human perception).
I agree 100%.
Many years ago, I had a regular gig shooting basketball games for a nearby college. The lights in the gym pulsated. If I shot a burst with my motor drive (about 5 frames per second), the exposure difference from one frame to the adjacent one could be pretty extreme. The guy charges in. He goes up for the hoop. He dunks it. That sequence might be: 1st frame too dark, 2nd frame okay, 3rd frame too dark. The pulses and the motor drive were out of phase with each other.
blue streak 1The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror. What is the cause ?
blue streak 1 A question for our optics gurus. The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror. What is the cause ?
A question for our optics gurus. The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror. What is the cause ?
I was going to suggest incandescent lamps and faded lenses, but then I noticed another phenomenon - the lights appear to quit flashing periodically.
This would likely be due to the lamps being LED. LED's don't come on steady, as would an incandescent lamp. They are pulsed, and the flicker rate of the LED's isn't in synch with the sample rate of digital cameras.
If you watch the lamps closely, you'll see them appear red just before they seem to stop flashing briefly, and as they again become visible. Your eye/brain compensates for the flicker.
The info on the YT feed from Deshler includes a caution that for the above reason the crossing lights might appear to be malfunctioning. They are working fine, so don't call CSX to report said issue.
Given that LEDs are "doped" to a specific color, I would opine that there's something going on between the LEDs and the camera that makes them appear yellow.
I'm open to other suggestions.
Color balance of the video recording equipment.
If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?
Flintlock76Yeah, ya seen one coal train ya seen 'em all. Might as well turn off the camera after the power's passed. Now, if they put advertising on the sides of those hoppers it'd be a LOT more interesting. Sure isn't one of young Mr. Harrison's videos, that's for sure!
Now, if they put advertising on the sides of those hoppers it'd be a LOT more interesting.
Sure isn't one of young Mr. Harrison's videos, that's for sure!
Now you are denigrating the artistic efforts of all the taggers that used the cars as the canvas of their artistry - they are 'advertising' on most all the cars that pass. One artist even put their art on the bottom sheets of one of the coal gons.
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