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A Boring video
Posted by BaltACD on Friday, March 12, 2021 3:36 PM

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, March 12, 2021 4:10 PM

And here I thought it was going to be about TBMs or box jacking!

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Posted by Backshop on Friday, March 12, 2021 4:46 PM

That was a public (dis)service.  You got his "views" way up and now he'll post more of them.

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Friday, March 12, 2021 4:48 PM
 

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And here I thought it was going to be about TBMs or box jacking!

 

I second that.

 
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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Friday, March 12, 2021 4:53 PM

And that was a short train. Only took 3:08 minutes to clear. Just think if it were one of today's 200 car trains. Last night, I was watching a CIncinnati Railroad Club zoom presentation of some silent films (1950's) from your (Balt) old stomping ground (Stores) and Riverside showing some B&O and NYC steam trains, both freight & passenger; then some early diesel trains running along River Road in Cincinnati to North Bend, Valley, etc. Freight trains were short, 20 - 40 cars. One coal train might have had 50 cars pulled by two RS-1s. 

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 12, 2021 5:45 PM

A short train would be Q353, which is two engines running light through Deshler on a daily basis...

I've mentioned 13,000 foot trains traversing the transfers at Deshler at 10 MPH.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, March 12, 2021 5:47 PM

Electroliner 1935
And that was a short train. Only took 3:08 minutes to clear. Just think if it were one of today's 200 car trains. Last night, I was watching a CIncinnati Railroad Club zoom presentation of some silent films (1950's) from your (Balt) old stomping ground (Stores) and Riverside showing some B&O and NYC steam trains, both freight & passenger; then some early diesel trains running along River Road in Cincinnati to North Bend, Valley, etc. Freight trains were short, 20 - 40 cars. One coal train might have had 50 cars pulled by two RS-1s. 

As of the time I retired the 'normal' big coal train into Baltimore was 130 cars, the standard 'small' coal train was 90 cars.

What surprised me was 4 units on the head end - normal power for coal trains (before I retired) was 2 AC's.  Of course, as far as I know Cumberland Locomotive Shop is still working and that is where a lot of locomotives are repaired.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Friday, March 12, 2021 5:57 PM

I would have thought the same thing, but I have no idea what TBMs are, nor box jacking.  I only watched it (at 2x speed) because I wondered what drilling holes had to do with trains.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Friday, March 12, 2021 7:34 PM

Yeah, ya seen one coal train ya seen 'em all.  Might as well turn off the camera after the power's passed.

Now, if they put advertising on the sides of those hoppers it'd be a LOT more interesting.

Sure isn't one of young Mr. Harrison's videos, that's for sure!

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, March 12, 2021 7:52 PM

Flintlock76
Yeah, ya seen one coal train ya seen 'em all.  Might as well turn off the camera after the power's passed.

Now, if they put advertising on the sides of those hoppers it'd be a LOT more interesting.

Sure isn't one of young Mr. Harrison's videos, that's for sure!

Now you are denigrating the artistic efforts of all the taggers that used the cars as the canvas of their artistry - they are 'advertising' on most all the cars that pass.  One artist even put their art on the bottom sheets of one of the coal gons.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, March 12, 2021 8:45 PM

A question for our optics gurus.  The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror.  What  is the cause ?

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Posted by Paul Milenkovic on Friday, March 12, 2021 8:48 PM

Color balance of the video recording equipment.

If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, March 12, 2021 8:54 PM

blue streak 1

A question for our optics gurus.  The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror.  What  is the cause ?

I was going to suggest incandescent lamps and faded lenses, but then I noticed another phenomenon - the lights appear to quit flashing periodically.

This would likely be due to the lamps being LED.  LED's don't come on steady, as would an incandescent lamp.  They are pulsed, and the flicker rate of the LED's isn't in synch with the sample rate of digital cameras.

If you watch the lamps closely, you'll see them appear red just before they seem to stop flashing briefly, and as they again become visible.  Your eye/brain compensates for the flicker.

The info on the YT feed from Deshler includes a caution that for the above reason the crossing lights might appear to be malfunctioning.  They are working fine, so don't call CSX to report said issue.

Given that LEDs are "doped" to a specific color, I would opine that there's something going on between the LEDs and the camera that makes them appear yellow.

I'm open to other suggestions.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, March 12, 2021 8:57 PM

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The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror.  What  is the cause ?

Likely not a white-balance issue.  Observe the periodicity.   The 'yellow' is the crossing light being "overexposed' by the CCD.  As it gets out of phase we see red because only part of the light is emitted during the time the elements are reading; then they go out of phase entirely and the light appears to vanish entirely (even though we know it is still "visibly" on to human perception).

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Posted by MMLDelete on Friday, March 12, 2021 9:18 PM

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The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror.  What  is the cause ?

 

Likely not a white-balance issue.  Observe the periodicity.   The 'yellow' is the crossing light being "overexposed' by the CCD.  As it gets out of phase we see red because only part of the light is emitted during the time the elements are reading; then they go out of phase entirely and the light appears to vanish entirely (even though we know it is still "visibly" on to human perception).

 

 

I agree 100%.

Many years ago, I had a regular gig shooting basketball games for a nearby college. The lights in the gym pulsated. If I shot a burst with my motor drive (about 5 frames per second), the exposure difference from one frame to the adjacent one could be pretty extreme. The guy charges in. He goes up for the hoop. He dunks it. That sequence might be: 1st frame too dark, 2nd frame okay, 3rd frame too dark. The pulses and the motor drive were out of phase with each other.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 13, 2021 8:37 AM

blue streak 1
A question for our optics gurus.  The video shows the crossing signals mostly yellow but once in a while the same lamp shows red especially the ones near the rear view mirror.  What  is the cause ?

Mark I eyeballs vizualized them as RED.  

As info, the recording instrument is a Garmin VIRB Elite action camara, that is afixed to a device between the headrests on my Triumph TR-7 convertible.  It is recording at 780P and 30 frames per second.  White Balance is automatic.

In reviewing the video - the flashers go from 'yellowish' to RED and back periodically.  I find it amazing the ways in which video camera shutters distort some actions.  The color shift in this video.  Propeller planes with tips of the prop 'bending' back over the engine.  There is one video floating around the web of a helicopter taking off where the rotor blades seem stationary.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, March 13, 2021 9:34 AM

BaltACD
Now you are denigrating the artistic efforts of all the taggers that used the cars as the canvas of their artistry

Oh good Lord, I would never  want to do that!   Wink

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 13, 2021 11:55 AM

Boring - in line and welding

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:00 PM

Too bad Miningman's banned, I'm sure he'd have some boring  videos to share!

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Posted by Sara T on Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:23 PM

456 Axles! (in Europe we count axles, not cars: there are a number of four wheel cars among the newer eight wheel cars in freight trains). What is the weight of one of these cars? Are they loaden? Then what was the total weight of the train?

These twelve wheel diesels have a tractive effort that almost makes me shiver! And they are four! About 3000 horse power motors (?) makes 12000 horse power. Surprising to me: they never sound at the limit of their power, rather so-so, like it's nothing too hard. What tractive effort will they reach combined? I believe it is steel bursting anyhow!

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, March 13, 2021 12:47 PM

Anything BUT boring, young Mr. Harrison has a new video premiere at 7:30 PM EST tonight.

Check the "From The Wilds Of Upstate New York" topic for his latest entry with the link.  

Or link it here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujoq829A_Dc  

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:09 PM

GE 4400 HP AC traction specs

wikipedia

ower output 4,400 hp (3,300 kW)
Tractive effort

180,000 lbf (800 kN) Starting
145,000 lbf (640 kN) at 13.7 mph (22.0 km/h)

Normal weight on rail is 412K pounds - CSX added an additional 20K pounds and made software changes to increase tractive effort.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:09 PM

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About 3000 horse power motors (?) makes 12000 horse power. Surprising to me: they never sound at the limit of their power, rather so-so, like it's nothing too hard.

Actually, each locomotive is 4,400 HP (about 3,300 KW).  That's for the newest big road locomotives.  Some older locos run in the 2,500 to 3,000 HP range.

The maximum RPM on those Diesels is only in the 1,000 RPM range, so you won't hear the same "scream" as you hear from highway trucks.  And the Deshler area is rather flat, so the locomotives rarely are pushed to their limit.

Occasionally you'll hear a train starting up from a stop at West Deshler - you can definitely hear the throbbing of those big prime movers then.

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Posted by Sara T on Saturday, March 13, 2021 1:34 PM

Thank you both for the info!

Ohhh! Then it is 4400 by four: 17600 HP!!

But I believe the traction is even more impressive. A seizable part of weight of the cars must go into making them resist such an enormous pulling force. And I heard the wheels screaming at some part of the train. The curve does look wide spread, isn't there an extra wear of flanges because of that strong pulling? What about mountain sections with tighter curves?

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Saturday, March 13, 2021 2:06 PM
 

Sara T

What is the weight of one of these cars? 

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286K lbs. (143 tons) is the gross railcar weight. Most lines are equipped to handle 286K cars. Some as high as 315K. Aluminum coal gons typically have a tare (empty) weight around 42K lbs., with a net (weight of the load) of 244K lbs..

Now.. I wonder which railcar manufacturer will have the gall to make a prototype aluminum well car for double stack service ...
 
 
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Posted by jeffhergert on Saturday, March 13, 2021 2:16 PM

tree68

 

 
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About 3000 horse power motors (?) makes 12000 horse power. Surprising to me: they never sound at the limit of their power, rather so-so, like it's nothing too hard.

 

Actually, each locomotive is 4,400 HP (about 3,300 KW).  That's for the newest big road locomotives.  Some older locos run in the 2,500 to 3,000 HP range.

The maximum RPM on those Diesels is only in the 1,000 RPM range, so you won't hear the same "scream" as you hear from highway trucks.  And the Deshler area is rather flat, so the locomotives rarely are pushed to their limit.

Occasionally you'll hear a train starting up from a stop at West Deshler - you can definitely hear the throbbing of those big prime movers then.

 

That 3rd engine sure looks like an SD40-2 (3000 hp) to me.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, March 13, 2021 2:30 PM

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tree68 
Sara T
About 3000 horse power motors (?) makes 12000 horse power. Surprising to me: they never sound at the limit of their power, rather so-so, like it's nothing too hard. 

Actually, each locomotive is 4,400 HP (about 3,300 KW).  That's for the newest big road locomotives.  Some older locos run in the 2,500 to 3,000 HP range.

The maximum RPM on those Diesels is only in the 1,000 RPM range, so you won't hear the same "scream" as you hear from highway trucks.  And the Deshler area is rather flat, so the locomotives rarely are pushed to their limit.

Occasionally you'll hear a train starting up from a stop at West Deshler - you can definitely hear the throbbing of those big prime movers then. 

That 3rd engine sure looks like an SD40-2 (3000 hp) to me.

Jeff 

I suspect the 3rd & 4th engines are Dead in Tow to Cumberland Shop.  Normal power for empties from Baltimore back to them mines is 2 units. With the grades, the tractive effort of a single unit can get the train to Cumberland, two units allows the train to operate at track speed.

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Posted by Sara T on Saturday, March 13, 2021 3:04 PM

Guys, here I have found 'the longest train' (sounds like a film title, doesn't it?)

THE Longest and Heaviest train OFFICIALLY in the world - YouTube

It is actually a bit unfair because of the locos in the train, it could be regarded as four trains together with two six axle loco units each.

But the combined load is impressive, it's (almost) as long as some shorter lines in Germany in total, hehehe! It takes 8 minutes to pass by if at higher speed than the CSX train.

Confused

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Posted by Sara T on Saturday, March 13, 2021 3:43 PM

Auweiha (German for .. don't know)

Now we don't know at all. Could be from 5000 HP (2x2500) to 20000 (4xoverload), ok, not quite.

Since I don't know these diesel bodybuilder locos, you can tell me whatever you like.

Do the American highway trucks 'scream'? I checked some videos, have one here for you by 'Happiness by the Mile' trucking through Yellowstone in a Western truck. Hmm .. it isn't loud, it's quite comfortable, maybe I should look at this job more closely ...?

Truck Driving Adventures | Trucking Through Yellowstone - YouTube

The landscape in America is sure impressive and worth exploring.

It interests me because I also have a truck license and drove our truck when we were filming in Anatolia, eastern Turkey. The roads there are ... puhh!

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, March 13, 2021 3:52 PM

Sara T
Do the American highway trucks 'scream'?

Figuratively speaking - compare the 1000 +/- RPM of the locomotives (and a displacement per cylinder around 700 ci or 11.5 liters) to the as-much-as 3,500 RPM of an over-the-road Diesel (total displacement ~10 liters). 

 

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