Sara TGuys, here I have found 'the longest train' (sounds like a film title, doesn't it?) THE Longest and Heaviest train OFFICIALLY in the world - YouTube It is actually a bit unfair because of the locos in the train, it could be regarded as four trains together with two six axle loco units each. But the combined load is impressive, it's (almost) as long as some shorter lines in Germany in total, hehehe! It takes 8 minutes to pass by if at higher speed than the CSX train. SARA 05003
THE Longest and Heaviest train OFFICIALLY in the world - YouTube
It is actually a bit unfair because of the locos in the train, it could be regarded as four trains together with two six axle loco units each.
But the combined load is impressive, it's (almost) as long as some shorter lines in Germany in total, hehehe! It takes 8 minutes to pass by if at higher speed than the CSX train.
SARA 05003
Take nothing away from BHP or the operation of their record train.
That being said, BHP is a 'one trick pony'; they are exclusively Iron Ore carriers between the mine location(s) and destination(s). They are not a 'common carrier' railroad such as the Class 1 US carriers are; handling all kinds of commodities for any number of shipper/consignees.
This video is of a 18000 foot Union Pacific intermodal train that is hauling hundreds of shipping containers - notice that each railraod car body is hauling normally 2 shipping containers. These are containers that do not get hauled on highways by truck drivers to contend for road space with automobiles. My understanding is this train originated in Texas and was being hauled to the port area of Los Angeles - approximately 2K miles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYdId4rtaeQ
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
That 18,000' UP train was a test that was not initially repeated, but in the years since some railroads have started regularly running trains that approach that length.
CN runs intermodals at up to 16,000' in western Canada when the traffic suits it. So far I've only seen them running westbound, as it is still a mostly single track railroad out here and most long sidings can only hold 12,000' (trains of all types run at that length in both directions). Our westbound intermodals are usually a lot lighter than eastbounds, as they carry many empty containers heading back to Asia.
The longer intermodals usually have both mid-train and tail-end remotes, and are fairly smooth to operate. But aside from not fitting in any sidings they take a very long time to build or put away in yards, and once out on the road there are almost no places where they can stop without blocking crossings.
The heaviest trains we run are unit coal, petroleum coke, grain, potash and sulphur trains in the 200-230 car range (two shorter 100ish car trains are often combined into one, and the resulting 'double train' may have more than one commodity), weighing up to about 32,000 tons.
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Since I cannot write a pm, sorry:
BaltACD: why did you add the word 'confused' to your quotation of my posting? I was not confused.
Like on the other quotation by SD60MAC9500: 'indifferent'
Who puts these words that don't belong to mine? They make a wrong impression to others.
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The video is impressive. Two containers: that's the large profile. But one container: why can't it be on a truck (not that I want to promote it)? it is about 2,50m wide that would be acceptable?
How do you stop, more so release brakes on such a loooooooooong train without ripping it in two or three?
SARA
SD70 Dude: why would they make up trains that cannot fit in a siding? What about emergency, a hot axle bearing or ...
I believe the mid locos and end locos are remote controlled. You are not afraid there might be something to come between wireless control and these locos don't react to what you command them to do? Or, today you must also take into account some intentional disturbance?
05003
SARA You added a "smiley" to the end of your posting and it showed up when you posted, but when BaltACD quoted you, the encoding to make the smiley show up is lost and only the name of the smiley is kept, and the one you used is named, "Confused". It may not be the emotion you were thinking when you posted it, but that is what the creator of the smiley was intending it to represent. I find many emoticons to be subject to interpretation by the user that has no correlation to what the creator of the thing wanted it to mean.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Semper Vapore (I agree!)
Aach! So! Du liebe Zeit! [learn a little bit German with me :-)] Now I understand, that's tricky hehehe!
Ok, I better leave them off.
Add: the UP container train:
Seeing the video of the cars stream by - "whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo-whuoo ... (I stop here or it would fill this page and the following pages) - it came to my mind: this is the railroad-friend's version of counting sheep for getting to sleep.
No, not really. At the site of the action we bravely watch and keep watching, we feel the wind but stand straight, a dust corn may make us twinkle for a moment but not turn away until the last c.. uhm, locomotive has whuooshed by. And then we turn to our friend with big eyes and just release one impressed "whouuh!". :-))
BaltACD:
One more thing strikes me: I cannot make a full screen video of it, I have to see it post stamp size. This gets on my nerves: so much white screen around! My eyes -ohh!
Semper VaporoSARA You added a "smiley" to the end of your posting and it showed up when you posted, but when BaltACD quoted you, the encoding to make the smiley show up is lost and only the name of the smiley is kept, and the one you used is named, "Confused". It may not be the emotion you were thinking when you posted it, but that is what the creator of the smiley was intending it to represent. I find many emoticons to be subject to interpretation by the user that has no correlation to what the creator of the thing wanted it to mean.
Kalmbach IT strikes again! Both in creating the 'name' for the emoticons and then striping the activating coding when it is quoted in further posts.
Tree68:
Ouwh: 700 ci or 11.5 liters per cylinder? Now wait a minute; Juni! help! No, I can figure this out: My cylinders were 450x660 mm, that is ... ehm-ehm-ehm ... 105 liters. Still almost ten times as much.
Relaxed!
Sara T SD70 Dude: why would they make up trains that cannot fit in a siding? What about emergency, a hot axle bearing or ...
It's all about money.
If something breaks that car will be set out, and all the other trains will wait for the problem to be fixed. Timekeeping really isn't important out here, I suppose that must seem alien to someone used to busy European systems with fast passenger trains everywhere.
Sara T I believe the mid locos and end locos are remote controlled. You are not afraid there might be something to come between wireless control and these locos don't react to what you command them to do? Or, today you must also take into account some intentional disturbance? 05003
Comm loss with remotes and the EOT is a problem on long trains, especially in tunnels and areas with rugged terrain. If you have more than one remote consist I believe they will relay radio signals from the lead unit to each other. And when in comm loss the remote will keep doing whatever its last command was for a set period of time, I believe it's one hour.
If you want to override this a full service train brake application will signal the remotes to idle down. This is done through the brake pipe, so will remain an option even if you have completely lost radio communication. And of course an emergency brake application will also force the remotes back to idle.
There are some areas that are known comm loss zones. When approaching them train handling should be planned accordingly, so the train can run through the area without needing to change what the remote is doing.
On long trains you always have to be thinking 10 or 20 miles ahead, as well as about where you are.
Sara T Tree68: Ouwh: 700 ci or 11.5 liters per cylinder? Now wait a minute; Juni! help! No, I can figure this out: My cylinders were 450x660 mm, that is ... ehm-ehm-ehm ... 105 liters. Still almost ten times as much. Relaxed! SARA 05003
Goodness - 17" bore and 25" stroke. I'm impressed.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
BaltACD
Kalmbach didn't think of the names of the emote-icons. They are a set that is available (free or purchased, I dunno which) for any forum or e-mail system. I don't know who developed them or how they were named... I just know that I have used the "wrong" one many times because I thought the image represented one thing and others thought differently.
Many of them I cannot figure out what the drawing is supposed to be, until I hover the mouse over it and a small text box appears with the name of it, even then I can't figure out why it exists or what anyone would use it for.
There are dozens of them that don't seem to have any use (except to make the set large to seem to be worth providing to users "Buy our forum code and we supply 100 emote-icons for free!") and often I still cannot find a suitable one for what I want to express.
Oh, and I doubt if Kalmbach is responsible for the stripping of the encoding out in a reply. They probably purchased a standard forum program, and then someone altered it to represent Trains dot com (add the banners and menus). But that person probably had no training in coding using the language the program was written in. I suspect it is HTML, which is known as a "write only language"... it is understood while writing it, but a week later nobody, not even the original programmer, can understand it. This is the reason that forum code is so difficult to update, correct, or improve. People try to modify it for some purpose, but in the process break something else because they really didn't understand the original code!
Sara T Semper Vapore (I agree!) Aach! So! Du liebe Zeit! [learn a little bit German with me :-)] Now I understand, that's tricky hehehe!
There are probably more people around here of German heritage than you realize, but "Du liebe Zeit" is an expression I have never heard before.
Is it regional? Is it modern?
My German-speaking maternal grandfather from Vojvodina had many colorful expressions, many I cannot use here because Kalmbach Publishing wants this site to be friendly to families, but I never heard your expression before.
If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?
you wrote "Goodness - 17" bore and 25" stroke. I'm impressed."
Larry,
the 05 class was all-speed oriented, with 167" outer drive rods (inner drive was to the first with a shorter rod) and 90 1/2" wheel diameter. This combined with a good free steam flow by 12" piston valves and an enlarged lead for increased rpm speed compared with the standard valve gear set up. If I take the known power output curve of the reboilered oil-fired 01-10 three cylinder Pacific I can extrapolate the characteristics for the 285 psi 05 and come to the conclusion that with oil-firing and welded staybolts and tubes / flues she should have easily surpassed the 4000 ihp mark*) at 125 mph and interestingly that would indicate she could have passed that speed (200 km/h) even without streamlining.
It was not to be; in the 1950s DB track was not supporting higher speeds and they soon lost interest in these fine engines, the 1950 - 1957 period they had to do with reduced 228 bp for which the cylinders were way too small.
Juniatha
*: Firing 3.25 t/h heavy fuel oil of 40 MJ/kg produces a heat total of 130000 MJ/h; at 66% of overall boiler efficiency this produces 85800 MJ/h steam heat equalling 25729 kg/h steam of 285 psi and 824 °F; at 226 m² total heating surface this corresponds to 113.8 kg/m²h steaming rate; minus ~ 430 kg for oil firing and preheating leaves ~ 25.3 t/h for cylinders; specific steam consumption: 6.1 kg/PSi at ~ 40% c/o at 462 rpm / 200 km/h needed to consume the corresponding 65025 liters of steam per min; 25300 kg : 6.1 kg/PSi = 4147 PSi (indicated) or 4090 ihp.
Uhm - at that speed the indicated power output curve would still be on the climbing ...
Paul,
"Aach! So! Du liebe Zeit!" is actually drawn out, regularly it is "achso!" meaning about 'oh, that's the way' or really "I see". "Du liebe Zeit" is an expression of wondering about (where did the) 'good times' (go) or really we would say "O-M-G". "liebe" directly translated 'lovely' is here used in the sense of 'good' making it 'my good time'. The whole expression is mostly used as for surprise, again like our "O-M-G". Standing expressions cannot be translated directly - that goes vice versa. Is it modern? Not in the youth's slang, but still in use by the more middle age society (sorry, Sara, you of course are still in your teen days, prolongued-prolongued - I know the problem myself)
Semper Vaporo Oh, and I doubt if Kalmbach is responsible for the stripping of the encoding out in a reply. They probably purchased a standard forum program, and then someone altered it to represent Trains dot com (add the banners and menus). But that person probably had no training in coding using the language the program was written in. I suspect it is HTML, which is known as a "write only language"... it is understood while writing it, but a week later nobody, not even the original programmer, can understand it. This is the reason that forum code is so difficult to update, correct, or improve. People try to modify it for some purpose, but in the process break something else because they really didn't understand the original code!
If Kalmbach had purchased the software - it would work and not be full of the bugs that it has had through numerous iterations over the 18 years I have been here.
Some of the other forums I participate in have for a variety of reasons have moved from forum software provider to forum software provider without the resulting sofware skipping a beat. Those forums have different emoji's and they are clearer in what they are saying, they still are active through numerous quotes. The software providers do place their 'marks' on the forums and the various copyright information.
On the subject of crossing signals and emoticons, there was another thread where I made a remark about a video of a wig-wag crossing signal that was lost on other Forum participants.
I remarked that viewing the video of the rare remaining wig-wag signal made me "sleepy, I am getting sleepy, very sleepy" and I used the emoticon that is labeled "indifferent."
I meant the wide eyes and blank facial expression to mean that I was in a waking sleep state, in other words, that the video made me hypnotized.
Growing up, the way a person was hypnotized in the movies was that the hypnotist slowly swung a pocket watch on a chain in front of the person being hypnotized and calmly intoned, "You are getting sleepy, sleepy, very sleepy" or something to that effect.
There was a 1970 Hollywood movie where Barbra Streisand sees hypnotherapist Yves Montand to be cured of being a compulsive cigarette smoker -- someone here old enough can tell me if Yves Montand slowly swung a pocket watch to induce a hypnotic trance. In the trance state, Barbra Streisand starts recalling a "past life", and true to the formula of a romantic musical comedy staring Barbra Streisand, "hijinks ensue."
The connection between flashing lights and trance states is no trivial matter because apparently some people suffer from epileptic seizures from viewing flashing lights. I have three sources for this -- one is a book on aviation accidents that pilots have crashed their single-engine plane on landing in the direction of the sunset, where the slowed propeller at reduced power on some airplanes could flicker the light to induce a seizure. Another, this is a plot point in Michael Crichton's novel "The Andromeda Strain" when the escape of the mystery pathogen from containment in the Wildfire laboratory triggers an alarm with flashing lights, inducing a seizure in one of the scientists. Crichton graduated from Harvard Medical school, so there must be some scientific basis for that? The third is that some You Tube videos come with warnings regarding videos with intense, flashing lights.
Joking about hypnotism aside, I wondered why the motion was required in the wig-wag signal instead of just the flashing light. I guess it was closer to a railroad crewmember swinging a red lantern as a warning. Maybe there is something to it, that the swinging wig-wag is more attention-getting than the lower-cost lower-maintenance substitute in the form of alternating flashing lights.
That said, I did find the video of the operating wig-wag signal "hypnotic."
Paul MilenkovicThere was a 1970 Hollywood movie where Barbra Streisand sees hypnotherapist Yves Montand to be cured of being a compulsive cigarette smoker -- someone here old enough can tell me if Yves Montand slowly swung a pocket watch to induce a hypnotic trance. In the trance state, Barbra Streisand starts recalling a "past life", and true to the formula of a romantic musical comedy staring Barbra Streisand, "hijinks ensue."
"On a clear day you can see forever (1970):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-LFYGuQwJM
Keep in mind that emoticons (originally known as 'smileys') were a way to communicate outside of alphanumeric text using combinations of ASCII characters -- by reading the character group 'sideways' you see the little face appear. These came to have customary meanings beyond the obvious initial ones in the geek community.
All that the Kalmbach "emoticon" ststem does is put the ASCII smiley inside BBcode tags (i.e. square brackets) and then replace the resulting code group with a clever little graphic ... the problem being that the quote function copies the little graphic character by its 'title' in the library instead of the original ASCII. Even then, all would be well if the resulting 'tags' were referenced themselves to be replaced with the appropriate graphic, but alas! this is beyond the ken of Bangalore outsourcing.
This was a chronic problem with the /neo/ coding of the Yahoo Groups system on a much grander scale, where the revised engine would cleverly append all sorts of hypertext codes for its "HTML formatting" of e-mail messages, then forget it had done so and render colossal blocks of thousands of tags in each, successive, repeated message history. A few one-line responses could rapidly produce a digest needing many minutes to scroll through...
Incidentally, it's easy to fix the insulting tags by simply replacing the 'word' between the square brackets with the desired ASCII smiley, at which point the little picture will render in the quoted text just as it did in the original post. I suggest that anyone irritated by this get the poster who 'quoted' them to go back and edit accordingly...
SD70Dude That 18,000' UP train was a test that was not initially repeated, but in the years since some railroads have started regularly running trains that approach that length. CN runs intermodals at up to 16,000' in western Canada when the traffic suits it. So far I've only seen them running westbound, as it is still a mostly single track railroad out here and most long sidings can only hold 12,000' (trains of all types run at that length in both directions). Our westbound intermodals are usually a lot lighter than eastbounds, as they carry many empty containers heading back to Asia. The longer intermodals usually have both mid-train and tail-end remotes, and are fairly smooth to operate. But aside from not fitting in any sidings they take a very long time to build or put away in yards, and once out on the road there are almost no places where they can stop without blocking crossings. The heaviest trains we run are unit coal, petroleum coke, grain, potash and sulphur trains in the 200-230 car range (two shorter 100ish car trains are often combined into one, and the resulting 'double train' may have more than one commodity), weighing up to about 32,000 tons.
UP allows trains up to 18000' with DP consists placed every 6000' mid train and one on the end. There's a bulletin out allowing one of the Z symbols to operate up to 17000' with less restrictive DP placement. There was talk of extending the length limit to 21000', but that hasn't happened. Yet.
There have been some intermodals operating in the 16 to 17000' range. I've heard BNSF runs some 18000' long.
A few of our "double" coal trains have reached 40000 tons.
Jeff
jeffhergert UP allows trains up to 18000' with DP consists placed every 6000' mid train and one on the end. There's a bulletin out allowing one of the Z symbols to operate up to 17000' with less restrictive DP placement. There was talk of extending the length limit to 21000', but that hasn't happened. Yet. There have been some intermodals operating in the 16 to 17000' range. I've heard BNSF runs some 18000' long. A few of our "double" coal trains have reached 40000 tons. Jeff
We haven't touched those numbers, at least not yet. Weird to see CN being out-PSR'd in the long train department.
We did get a bulletin the other day requiring us to not exceed 10 mph when making a reverse movement with more than 34,000 tons.
Sara wrote "One more thing strikes me: I cannot make a full screen video of it, I have to see it post stamp size. This gets on my nerves: so much white screen around! My eyes -ohh!"
Since the forum does not allow me to write a pm:
Sara, why don't you click on the link: a new site opens and that you can make a full screen video. Much better for your eyes.
BTW: how high above rail surface are these double stack cars? The containers are 9'6" (?) | x 2 = 19' or 5.79 m; with allowance for the car frame underneath total height is easily above 6 m - what height exactly?
Gee - in steam times it was the engine that was the highest vehicle in a freight train, box cars having to fit all RRs were clearly lower. Now it's these cars that are clearly higher than the diesel units.
Jeff wrote "A few of our "double" coal trains have reached 40000 tons."
Jeff, when they have reached 100000 tons, let me know ..
=J=
Overmod wrote: " I suggest that anyone irritated by this get the poster who 'quoted' them to go back and edit accordingly..."
Sorry, I tried for interest and it didn't work.
JuniathaSorry, I tried for interest and it didn't work.
I had noticed some of the appalling names introduced by the failed emoticon handling, but was not moved to comment until it turned into a direct issue for comment. Alas! there appears no way to fix this other than to depend on the kindness of strangers...
JuniathaBTW: how high above rail surface are these double stack cars? The containers are 9'6" (?) | x 2 = 19' or 5.79 m; with allowance for the car frame underneath total height is easily above 6 m - what height exactly?
In practice of course somewhat larger clearance needs to be provided for various motions of the loaded car in service. I provided a link to this diagram showing a number of loading-gage details drawn to the same scale, which contains some interesting Plate H information:
https://gritton.org/greg/rail/docs/clearance/AAR_plates_with_UIC.gif
Juniatha BTW: how high above rail surface are these double stack cars? The containers are 9'6" (?) | x 2 = 19' or 5.79 m; with allowance for the car frame underneath total height is easily above 6 m - what height exactly?
21' 2" sticks in my mind (quick check and OM's post show 20'2"). That's why a good number of tunnels, such as GN's Cascade tunnel, had to be modified to allow double stacks to fit. This was also the main expense driver for the proposed electrification of Southern California freight railroads circa 1991-2. Half of the cost would be arranging for sufficient clearance between the top of the doublestacks and the 50kV catenary. Clearances had to be generous to allow for the track surfaces to rise due to maintenance of the ballast.
Gee - in steam times it was the engine that was the highest vehicle in a freight train, box cars having to fit all RRs were clearly lower. Now it's these cars that are clearly higher than the diesel units. Juniatha
I was amused to find out that the Espee's GS-4 class topped out at 16'2", considering that the Espee was infamous for tight clearances on some of their lines (e.g. NWP and Siskiyou). IIRC, these were taller than the UP Big Boys by a few inches.
Overmod wrote: "So only the person doing the quoting can go back and fix issues in the quote"
That was of course me since I clicked "Reply" on one of my own postings and then tried if I could change or wipe out anything - and I could not the tray didn't accept.
Only thing that should work is if you copy a part of the text of the original posting (not in the quotation bay) and paste it in your new to be posting (the way I most always do). There you can change, erade fix or mess everything. But obviously users don't use this.
"No other way than to depend on the kindness of a stranger .."
Is this the title of a crime novel ..? ;-)
Overmod with clearance profile diagram
==> Yeeesss! <== That's something I can use. I copied it.
That would give room for a really high-pitched boiler in a steam locomotive and high drive wheels, too!
Thanks!
Juniatha"No other way than to depend on the kindness of a stranger .." Is this the title of a crime novel ..? ;-)
Overmod Juniatha "No other way than to depend on the kindness of a stranger .." Is this the title of a crime novel ..? ;-) Tennessee Williams. Blanche Grey nee DuBois...
Juniatha "No other way than to depend on the kindness of a stranger .." Is this the title of a crime novel ..? ;-)
Tennessee Williams. Blanche Grey nee DuBois...
Oh yeah, "A Streetcar Named Desire," one of Tennessee Williams' better-known laugh riots.
At least the "Desire" streetcar's still active in New Oleans. A ride on that is probably a LOT more fun than the play is!
Yeah, skip the play, take the ride!
The play is a very fine one, I think, and you can count me as as T. E. W. fan. The Desire line was misnamed, ran mostly on Dauphine and for one or two blocks on Desire. Most of the route was in the French Quarter, wirh its distictive many-balconies, decoratice-iron -railings. Went bus about the time the play opened, and I got to N. O. too late to ride it. Just 1st-generation, now-resurected Canal and long-time St. Charles were running. Still, some of the 800s of the type that ran on Desire were still in service at that time. The historic cars that survived and run on St. Charles today are all 900s, which were not used, as far as I know, on Desire. The 800s (one survives at Branford, Shore-Line Trolley) have lever-operated mechanical front-doors, and the 900s' doors are all air-motor operated.
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