When I was at King, gambling and the use of alcoholic bevrages were forbidden. I rather doubt that that has been changed (it is sometime since I have read the students' handbook).
Johnny
When I was in college, I worked on the auditorium handling lighting and film projection jobs. The head stage man was a former Pullman conductor. School was officially "dry" but he keep the booze in his locker. I watched him fill a class tumber (estimate that it was at least 12 oz of clear liquid) with either gin or vodka and drink it straight. No noticable effect on how he acted. Often wondered how his liver was. He would share it with some of the coeds. Often wonder what happened to him as he was still there when I graduated.
DeggestyWhen I was at King, gambling and the use of alcoholic bevrages were forbidden. I rather doubt that that has been changed (it is sometime since I have read the students' handbook).
Official policy and reality are often very different.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
NKP guy One of my profs at KSU remarked, "This country never had an organized crime problem until Prohibition was passed."
Cute saying but not true. Organized crime existed and was an urban problem prior to prohibition. Protection, prostitution, and gambling was its main focus before prohibition, but it was also involved in smuggling. Then it got much more involved with drugs and organized labor in the '30's.
alphas NKP guy One of my profs at KSU remarked, "This country never had an organized crime problem until Prohibition was passed." Cute saying but not true. Organized crime existed and was an urban problem prior to prohibition. Protection, prostitution, and gambling was its main focus before prohibition, but it was also involved in smuggling. Then it got much more involved with drugs and organized labor in the '30's.
Prohibition was the 'Stimulus Package' that organized crime needed to gain 'market share' in providing product to the multitudes that did not agree with the 'official policy' that was enacted into law by the government.
At my college, the official policy was no alcohol on campus.
We found there was a big difference in how this was enforced between the men's and women's dorms.
If a girl brought alcohol into the dorm, someone always reported her and she was punished.
If a boy brought alcohol into the dorm, chances are that it was shared with everyone, and the RA was even invited to the party. I don't recall a single boy punished for alcohol.
York1 John
I have often wondered, if there were a U.S. Constitutional Amendment prohibiting the consumption of PEAS, would there be a "cartel" formed to supply them? Would there be secret clubs formed where you had to know the password to get in, so you could have a bowl of pea soup? Would butter knives have to be redesigned so peas would not rest on them?
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That's a good summation of what happen during prohibition. What I was saying was that organized crime was already a problem before prohibition. Its safe to say that if prohibition hadn't been passed, organized crime would still have been with us and their involvement in drugs would have occurred earlier than it did. It wasn't until it looked like prohibition might go away that drugs got much attention from organized crime who started looking for ways to replace their lost income from booze.
There is one positive result that is usually overlooked about the US attempt at prohibition. Diseases and deaths associated with alcoholism dropped quite a bit during its time, extending into the 1930's. They didn't rise back to their pre-prohibition levels until the 1940's.
BaltACDAlcohol laws among the various governmental areas across the USA have created at crazy quilt of regulations that is worthy of the Mad Hatter at his maddest! I would venture that the imposition of Prohibition on the country created the near universal disrespect for the law as people wanted their 'adult beverages' without regard to any laws to the contrary.
States have always determined their own alcohol laws since the repeal of prohibition which is why where you can buy various forms of alcohol varies so much. The current legal age of 21 for all states is because the Feds used the power of the purse to push the states who were less than 21 to conform.
There was not "near universal disregard" for prohibition in the US. The majority of the people either supported it or didn't care one way or another which was why it got passed in the first place. Support for it did drop over the years it existed, particularly in the urban areas, but not anywhere to to the extent "near universal disregard" implies. Opposition to it was not enough to bring the democrats to power until 1932 when the Great Depression dominated all other issues.
there is a BBQ joint/bar near the UP Davidson yard (nee Centennial, nee, Lancaster) called the railhead that does a fair business (or did....)
Right now, we all could use a drink
BaltACD Speaking of "crazy quilts" ... I used to carry a wallet size card delineating the various states and their motorcycle helmet laws (you can ride from Pennsylvania to California, exclusive, on I-80, without one, except for nanny Nebraska). Now one needs a state "quilt" for gun laws and face diaper laws. Balkanization at its best. charlie hebdo Five package stores in Bristol, TN that sell alcoholic beverages. King University and a Bible college. Alcohol laws among the various governmental areas across the USA have created at crazy quilt of regulations that is worthy of the Mad Hatter at his maddest! I would venture that the imposition of Prohibition on the country created the near universal disrespect for the law as people wanted their 'adult beverages' without regard to any laws to the contrary.
Speaking of "crazy quilts" ... I used to carry a wallet size card delineating the various states and their motorcycle helmet laws (you can ride from Pennsylvania to California, exclusive, on I-80, without one, except for nanny Nebraska). Now one needs a state "quilt" for gun laws and face diaper laws. Balkanization at its best.
charlie hebdo Five package stores in Bristol, TN that sell alcoholic beverages. King University and a Bible college.
Alcohol laws among the various governmental areas across the USA have created at crazy quilt of regulations that is worthy of the Mad Hatter at his maddest!
I would venture that the imposition of Prohibition on the country created the near universal disrespect for the law as people wanted their 'adult beverages' without regard to any laws to the contrary.
If you're in NYS, you have to order food now, too... Governor's orders. Snack sized chips are flying off the shelves...
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Maybe someone will add a nice bowl of chilled India Pale Ale soup to their food menu.
Found this great little place in Vermont-https://www.windsorstationvt.com/our-menu/
adkrr64 Maybe someone will add a nice bowl of chilled India Pale Ale soup to their food menu.
I used to travel the USA and I always checked the blue laws when I arrived. It was 40 years ago, but in Connecticut, I found beer for takeout stopped at 8PM, but bars could stay open until 1AM. Apparently if you wanted a drink in the evening, they'd prefer you were out driving about rather than sitting at home.
Here in Michigan we closed all bars and restaurants and most stores. Then they relaxed it a step and bars could sell takeout only, and restaurants as well, takeout only. Curbside signs popped up everywhere. I live next to a brewery, they cut a hole in one door and set up a to go counter.
And later they opened up bars and restaurants for dine in, but only 50% capacity and seats separated - like every third bar stool. And immediately we had a student bar in East Lansing - Harpers - where the kids crammed in and bunched up in lines, and by the next day the virus spread. SO far we have 186 people with COVID from that one incident.
They have since tightened up a little, but restaurants are still open for dine in, with the restriction. I was just at a Texas Roadhouse this evening. We have to wear masks. The diners have removed all the stuff that sits on the tables, like ketchup and salt shakers. Some limit menus. Others replaced the plastic coated menus with menu printed on paper place mat - disposable. Some will wipe salt shakers and bring you one, others serve up the little paper packets of salt.
No buffet places at all, and no place in the area that makes sushi is open for dine in. To go only.
Lets see here, restaurants only allowed 50% capacity, if that much. Some places outdoor dining only, some take-out only. Bars? Who knows? Seems to change all the time.
But you can still be sealed in an airliner with as many people as they can cram in the thing and be launched to all parts of the country, and who knows how many "Typhoid Marys" might be on board?
Can someone explain that to me?
Simple, the establishments mentioned arre governed by statutes and guidelines of the state in which they are located. Airliners are interstate commerce and come under Federal jurisdiction and come under non-existent Federal guidelines.
CSSHEGEWISCHSimple, the establishments mentioned arre governed by statutes and guidelines of the state in which they are located.
This is the hammer the states will use to enforce their "directives." Governor's decrees don't generally have the force of law, but if they threaten to pull your license to whatever, you have no choice but to comply.
Were it not for that hammer, many businesses would likely tell the states where to shove it.
CSSHEGEWISCH Airliners are interstate commerce and come under Federal jurisdiction and come under non-existent Federal guidelines.
Makes sense. And of course no one in either political party is going to seriously suggest shutting down or curtailing airline operations while this dilemma is in progress.
However, fly into New Jersey and this is what's waiting for you, depending on where you're coming from.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/07/people-who-fly-into-nj-will-be-asked-to-fill-out-survey-amid-out-of-state-quarantine-advisory.html
Whether this is an interference with interstate commerce is something the lawyers will have to figure out.
Flintlock76However, fly into New Jersey and this is what's waiting for you, depending on where you're coming from.
Same thing in NY. You're supposed to report yourself and self quarantine for 14 days no matter how you arrive. I would suspect that a vast number of folks arriving via private transportation will ignore the directive. That won't be a problem unless they manage to spawn an "outbreak."
LLegal question . Person "A: leaves a high out break state. "A" arrives at state with registring and self reporting but does not report or isolate. Later "A" is proven to have been a carrier or even infected. "A" exposes "B" who dies. Can "A" be prosecuted for say voluntary manslaughter ?
Maybe if it can be proven he/she knew they were infected and deliberately set out to spread it. Its similar to people knowing they have AIDS and withholding that info from their sexual partners. The next question is could they be charged with involuntary manslaughter or criminal negligence if they can't be charged with voluntary manslaughter? There are grounds for a civil lawsuit even if no criminal charges can be made. Of course, if the perpetrator has no assets then its unlikely to occur (unless its to collect against any future assets).
The trial lawyers will want to go after bigger targets in civil cases regarding COVID--States and municipalities, companies, school districts, transit agencies, nursing homes, hospitals, doctors, etc. Eventually, you'll be seeing the same type of lawyer adds on TV for COVID as you see for other diseases and various medical events.
blue streak 1Legal question . Person "A: leaves a high out break state. "A" arrives at state with registring and self reporting but does not report or isolate. Later "A" is proven to have been a carrier or even infected. "A" exposes "B" who dies. Can "A" be prosecuted for say voluntary manslaughter ?
Nobody seems to want to prosecute a couple of governors who put infected people in nursing homes, so I doubt it.
That's not to say it couldn't happen.
We're dealing with a situation here where a group of young folks got together for an outing on the river on the Fourth. Eight "cases" were reported, although no one is saying if that was eight people who actually got sick, or one that got sick and the rest are considered such.
It also hasn't come out just exactly where the "Typhoid Mary" came into this story. The county has had just over 120 cases since day one, and now suddenly there are eight at once?
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