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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 2:37 PM

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100C is quite the fever!

It would even boil water!

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:22 PM

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I have not been to a barber shop for,... uh... I don't remember the last time I was in one...

   Hey, that sounds like me.  I haven't been to a barber in almost 50 years.  I use a step ladder with a mirror propped up on it facing the medicine cabinet to see behind me.  The hardest part is behind the ears.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:34 AM

Fahreneit.  Celsius is 0 for freezing water and 100 for boiling water.

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Posted by rdamon on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:23 AM

100C is quite the fever!

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 11:14 AM

Semper Vaporo

 

Another silly factoid is that Fahrenheit set up his temperature scale by putting ice in saltwater to get it as cold as possible and called that 0°, then he took his own temperature and called that 100°.  He must have been sick that day!

 

 

Are you sure that was Fahrenheit, and not Celsius?

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 10:23 AM

I have plenty of hair, but I have not been to a barber shop for,... uh... I don't remember the last time I was in one... I stand in the bathroom, comb my hair over my ears and use the electric clippers to cut off anything covering them.  Then I comb it straight back and put my right hand to span my index finger behind my left ear to my thumb touching the boney spot just below the neck in the back and trim everything below my hand, then switch hands to the other ear and do the right side.  Then I place one hand straight across the back of my neck just above the boney spot and trim everything below that.  I then use a "trim comb" (it has razor-blades behind some large teeth to limit how close it can cut) to comb the hair on the sides to neaten it up a bit.  Done... now get the vacuum cleaner to clean up the floor and then take a shower to get the loose hair off me.

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Posted by Juniata Man on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 9:16 AM

NKP; you have touched on the next thing to weigh heavily on my mind (besides the TP shortage).  Two of my sons used to cut each other's hair and, push comes to shove, I may just ask one of them to give their old dad a haircut.  

Of course; it'll likely be a buzz but; that would last longer.

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Posted by NKP guy on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:45 AM

   As to the Original Thread here...

        My "Condition" is fine for the moment.  It's my haircut that looks to be in a bad condition.  Things are so dire that Lady NKP has been watching YouTube videos on cutting men's hair.  Fortunately she has a costume wig to practice on.

        For those here who still have hair to cut...how are you going to manage another month or so of long hair and closed barber shops? 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 8:43 AM

 

Another silly factoid is that Fahrenheit set up his temperature scale by putting ice in saltwater to get it as cold as possible and called that 0°, then he took his own temperature and called that 100°.  He must have been sick that day!

 

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 7:23 AM

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WAY TOO many.

One could argue that not enough have been infected.  In theory, those who have had it are now immune and will be available to take care of those of us who have managed to dodge it so far.

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:20 AM

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I have never registered 'normal' (98.6°) on any thermometer, but the older I get the lower the max number I can get on any of them.

Your post was interesting, so I looked up some info.  I read that normal body temperature for different people can range from 97° to 99°.  It even said that the "normal" temp of 98.6° was set in the 1800s, and that many believe the "normal" is actually closer to 98.2°.

I had never heard of this before.  I just assumed everyone was 98.6°.

The "average" temperature was found by one researcher to be 37C (not 37.0C) with the implication that temp may vary by 0.5C from that. 37.0C is 98.6F.

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Posted by Jones1945 on Monday, March 30, 2020 11:17 PM

tree68

A student an an area university tested positive, but wonders why he's in isolation, as he doesn't feel sick.

Makes one wonder how many others are in this situation.

 

At least around 45000 reported cases like this in China as of March 2019.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, March 30, 2020 8:21 PM

SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA, not a DNA-based virus.  It uses a different set of cellular 'machinery' from DNA-based viruses, and you might find the differences interesting.

Infection does not progress to changing the cellular genome directly (as a DNA virus can) but deals with protein synthesis more directly.

The specificity of SARS-CoV-2 is to certain cell-surface receptors found in relatively large numbers on those tissues.

Someone has a really wack idea of how viral infection and replication work.  A cell affected by a RNA virus does not 'mutate' into 'aggressor cells' (on oncogenic tumor tissue) but it can prime elements of the immune system to attack it, as well as recognized virus, and that response can involve induction of (irreversible) apoptosis.  If you study the particular cellular specificity and shifting antigens of HIV you will see part of the particular mechanism involved in that.

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Posted by 54light15 on Monday, March 30, 2020 8:12 PM

cx500- Judging from the comments on YT that song has gone...nah I won't say it. 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Monday, March 30, 2020 8:06 PM

tree68

Makes one wonder how many others are in this situation.

WAY TOO many.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, March 30, 2020 7:47 PM

A student an an area university tested positive, but wonders why he's in isolation, as he doesn't feel sick.

Makes one wonder how many others are in this situation.

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Posted by cx500 on Monday, March 30, 2020 7:43 PM

A little light relief.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ci5EYb9qA

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Posted by Euclid on Monday, March 30, 2020 3:59 PM

Sombody sent me a coronavirus information sheet from Johns Hopkins University.  I don't have the link, but in the document, it says this:

* The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
 
* Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
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Posted by Overmod on Monday, March 30, 2020 3:10 PM

Take coronavirus as an example.  This is basically a complex molecule of RNA (ribonucleic acid) that has the capability of entering a complex cell and subverting the complicated cellular machinery of 'life' in ways that make copies of itself, plus some other key materials.

In order to protect the RNA from being lysed or otherwise denatured or consumed, some of what the virus has 'manufactured' is a structured protein coat (called a 'capsid') that self-assembles itself from constituent geometric units.  It also has more complex proteins, collectively called an 'envelope', among which are some that by configuration act to bind to features of cell walls and, if there's a fit, preferentially invade the cell walls and signal the capsid to release the RNA 'payload' into the cell.

You can essentially 'kill' a virus in a variety of ways, which act to ruin the delicate construction of the RNA genome inside the capsid.  Once the virus loses the ability to make any of a large number of critical components, it may no longer be able to compel or persuade the cellular machinery to work effectively to replicate it sufficiently to be infectious -- at which point natural processes within cells or in effective parts and systems of the immune response tend to destroy any remaining parts that trigger response.  Or to implement a well-conserved cellular response called 'apoptosis', which is the body's way of getting abnormal or 'unrecognized' cells to not only shut their internal machinery off, but cut themselves up for easy disposal.  Much of this has been documented within the past 20 years, and to me at least it's fascinating.  You will note that even viral genomes in active process of reproduction may be 'caught' by apoptotic response and cut up and destroyed by the same internal processes, shy of being targeted by components of the immune system response directly.

A virus cannot produce anything without an existing, and operational, cell which has key susceptibilities.  It is only an assemblage of complex molecules ... much like an only slightly less lethal aberration, a prion (which is a human protein structurally near-correct but that folds into operative shape a slightly different -- and energetically preferred -- way.)  But bring it into contact a with susceptible cell, and all the subsequent steps to infection, replication, cell lysis and assembly of new 'virus particles' will take place as "programmed", just as if intelligently directed by life.

Different antiviral strategies, and the sorts of things that defeat them or make them too dangerous or toxic for medical use, follow from this.  The reason 78% alcohol is an 'ideal' strength for actual coronaviral sanitizing is that this is the concentration that just solubilizes envelope proteins enough to allow alcohol to penetrate to the RNA genome and denature it (which occurs in about 2 min. after wet contact).  Higher alcohol concentration results in the envelope becoming impenetrable to inward diffusion of alcohol, so the genome stays intact ... and after the alcohol in the envelope has diffused or evaporated away, the spike proteins responsible for infectious attachment may re-self-assemble and the particle become infectious again upon contact and orientation.

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Posted by Euclid on Monday, March 30, 2020 2:58 PM
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Posted by tree68 on Monday, March 30, 2020 2:18 PM

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But is it alive like a plant or animal, or is it just a chemcical compound or molecule?

Google is your friend.  I could look it up and c&p here, or you can just read it yourself firsthand.  It is not just a chemical compound or a molecule, however.

 

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Posted by Euclid on Monday, March 30, 2020 2:03 PM

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Is coronavirus a living organism or just a chemical?

 

It's a virus.  It must get inside a host organism to replicate.  The common cold is caused by a virus, as is the flu.  So is rabies, for that matter.  The SARS outbreak was caused by another strain of coronavirus.

There are a number of viruses.  Coronavirus is just one.

 

But is it alive like a plant or animal, or is it just a chemcical compound or molecule?

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, March 30, 2020 1:43 PM

Euclid

Is coronavirus a living organism or just a chemical?

It's a virus.  It must get inside a host organism to replicate.  The common cold is caused by a virus, as is the flu.  So is rabies, for that matter.  The SARS outbreak was caused by another strain of coronavirus.

There are a number of viruses.  Coronavirus is just one.

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Posted by Euclid on Monday, March 30, 2020 1:26 PM

Is coronavirus a living organism or just a chemical?

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Posted by York1 on Monday, March 30, 2020 1:16 PM

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A seven day prescription of Valacyclovir.  We will see what the effects are - good or bad.  I attempted to get the Shingles vaccine last year, but the facility didn't have any.

 

Good luck, Balt.  Hopefully the medicine keeps the pain down.

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, March 30, 2020 12:33 PM

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In the world of covid-19 I have been shingled, at least that is what my doctor says.  Aggrivating, not debilitating. 

You've been shingled? Was that a hair cut? Or was that an attack of the shingles? 

Be careful when taking medication for the shingles. A friend told me of his experience--the irritation would be so bad once a day that he would get up and run out of the house; his doctor gave some medicine and after taking it, he would have two running fits a day. My friend did not tell me what the medicine was.

A seven day prescription of Valacyclovir.  We will see what the effects are - good or bad.  I attempted to get the Shingles vaccine last year, but the facility didn't have any.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Monday, March 30, 2020 12:18 PM

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I have 3 thermometers... one digital and 2 glass bulb/mercury types... they all read within .2 ° of each other, but I can't get any of them up over 97.2°... how would I know if I need to contact my dorktor. 

 
Do you mean that if you stick them into a pot of hot water on the stove, none would read above 97.2? I find it hard to believe you would have three bum thermometers, all similarly wrong.
 
So I'm guessing you are referring to your own temp. Which must be around 97.2. Don't know why you'd have a low temp, but I'm pretty sure if it was Covid or flu, your temp would be above 98.6, not below.
 

 

 
In my mouth, either separately or combination. If I put them under the hot water faucet they can get up to well over 105 and match my kitchen meat thermometer within a couple of tenths of a degree when in the same stream of water.
 
I have never registered 'normal' (98.6°) on any thermometer, but the older I get the lower the max number I can get on any of them.
 
Oh, I also tried one of my remote non-contact thermometers, pointing it at my forehead, my temple, behind my ear and under my tongue...
 
Forehead -- 94°
Temple  --  94°
Behind ear -- 96°
Under tongue -- 96.6°
 
I think the condition of my condition is that I have one foot in the grave and I am digging furiously to make the hole deeper.
 

You are, literally, one cool dude. 

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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, March 30, 2020 12:14 PM

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In the world of covid-19 I have been shingled, at least that is what my doctor says.  Aggrivating, not debilitating.

 

You've been shingled? Was that a hair cut? Or was that an attack of the shingles?

Be careful when taking medication for the shingles. A friend told me of his experience--the irritation would be so bad once a day that he would get up and run out of the house; his doctor gave some medicine and after taking it, he would have two running fits a day. My friend did not tell me what the medicine was.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, March 30, 2020 12:10 PM

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I had never heard of this before.  I just assumed everyone was 98.6°.

Heck, there's even a song about it...  (There's your ear worm for today.)

I saw a story recently, I think in the paper, that 98.6 was, indeed, not "normal," following pretty much what's been said here.

So it does follow that it's less the temperature itself than the deviation from normal that is significant.  

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Posted by York1 on Monday, March 30, 2020 11:24 AM

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I have never registered 'normal' (98.6°) on any thermometer, but the older I get the lower the max number I can get on any of them.

Your post was interesting, so I looked up some info.  I read that normal body temperature for different people can range from 97° to 99°.  It even said that the "normal" temp of 98.6° was set in the 1800s, and that many believe the "normal" is actually closer to 98.2°.

I had never heard of this before.  I just assumed everyone was 98.6°.

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