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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:00 AM

Noticed that for a while that deaths by county were reported nationally.  Suddenly about 5 (?) days ago no longer deaths by county are posted.

As of Monday evening about 800 cases in Georgia.  300 of them are in the Atlanta metro area.  Do not believe that is a true vision of total cases as testing persons in rural area are probably behind urban areas ?  Or rural areas may just be a couple weeks behind because of their being more isolated ?

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:12 AM

Was doing a little research yesterday and discovered that for NY state, out of almost 11,000 confirmed cases, only 400 are outside the metro NYC area...

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:17 AM

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I seem to have heard that the loss of the sense of smell is something that accompanies SARS-CoV-2.

From what I can tell so far, much of this is associated with advanced infection, possibly CNS involvement.  It is possible that it's involved with primary infection of the cells involved with generating new receptors (smell is a very interesting sense when you study how it's accomplished!) 

The good news according to Dave Klepper is that the sense apparently can become re-established upon recovery from CoVID-19 ... at least in some patients.  We won't know more about it until (perish the day!) we get much, much better statistics from an appropriate range of cases...

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:54 AM

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I seem to have heard that the loss of the sense of smell is something that accompanies SARS-CoV-2. 

From what I can tell so far, much of this is associated with advanced infection, possibly CNS involvement.  It is possible that it's involved with primary infection of the cells involved with generating new receptors (smell is a very interesting sense when you study how it's accomplished!) 

The good news according to Dave Klepper is that the sense apparently can become re-established upon recovery from CoVID-19 ... at least in some patients.  We won't know more about it until (perish the day!) we get much, much better statistics from an appropriate range of cases...

Well we know that society at present smells and has not had a sense of taste for decades.  So what else is new. [/sarcasm]

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Posted by PJS1 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:45 AM

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 Noticed that for a while that deaths by county were reported nationally.  Suddenly about 5 (?) days ago no longer deaths by county are posted. 

Here is a link to the latest WHO Situation Report.  It shows confimed cases and deaths by country:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200323-sitrep-63-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=b617302d_2 

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:52 PM

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Well we know that society at present smells and has not had a sense of taste for decades.  So what else is new.

That's pretty good!

Although I think some expansion of the idea that society doesn't know its own smells and tries hard not to smell them might make a better metaphor ... or commenting on how you don't smell stinks if you've been around them long enough...

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:05 PM

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Here is a link to the latest WHO Situation Report.  It shows confimed cases and deaths by country: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200323-sitrep-63-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=b617302d_2  Add Quote to your Post Post Body

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Here is a link to the latest WHO Situation Report.  It shows confimed cases and deaths by country:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200323-sitrep-63-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=b617302d_2

Let me add to that the link provided by Jones1945 in a different thread:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

It should be possible to derive the actual trend in death rate, adjusted for both overall incidence and lags, by tracking these data appropriately.

I find it more than a little horrifying that, when I attempt to download the manual to effective diagnostic strategy mentioned in the WHO link, I am informed via a 429 error that I, personally, have exceeded my WHO allocation of PDF downloads, and am refused a copy of the document as a result.  One hopes that this is not typical of the competence of the WHO in other ways.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:46 PM

This is my firsr posting on this thread.  I've discussed my situation on the "Over-Reaction" thread on the Passenger Forum in some detail, so I won't bore you by a repetition, except to say I'm still healthy and in good spirits and doing the best to follow instructions, including seeing about getting a face mask for trips to the grocery store and apartment.

I've read through all the posts to see how you are, glad that those with symptoms have recovered and that basically all is well with all of you.

Overmod, you have my particular concern because I've learned a lot of interesting material from all your very positive postings on many subjects.

Your very life is one of devotion to your fellow human beings and the railfan hobby is just one of several avenues you use to implement this.

And there are others that post that approach this excellence.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:54 PM

I also deeply appreciate those who are still active professional common-carrier railroaders, and those who retired, who counter rumors and falsehood with hard facts.  Bless you!

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:43 PM

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...who counter rumors and falsehood with hard facts.

Alas, I'm finding in other fora that there are those who prefer to believe the falsehoods and rumors over hard facts.  Much of that is politically based.  While there are hotspots, for the most part it's not a matter of what "Sid" from "Ice Age" says - "We're all gonna die!"  People are recovering just fine, and many have gone through it without their affliction even being reported.

When I mentioned the possibility of a treatment in the form of a malaria medication, one fellow made a point of posting the report about the couple who used a version meant for use in aquariums, without noting that it wasn't the human version of the medication, and that they probably took too much besides.  

I've heard it suggested that the death rate for SARS-CoV-2 may have even fallen below that of the seasonal flu.  Time will tell.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 4:37 PM

My post about the death rate.  At one time each US state was posting deaths by each county ( LA Parishes still posted as of this morning ).  Why do the government officials think they can keep us in the dark ?  Just another power play ?   

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 4:49 PM

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Just another power play ?

Yes.

Even though there have been 22,000 (more or less, depending on the estimate source) deaths from the seasonal flu, locking the country down over the holidays, when it could have made a difference, would likely have resulted in open rebellion.

Look up REX-84.

 

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:14 AM

All four Israeli "Sick Funds," (Combination health insurance and total medical treatment) offer free flu vacine injections at the start of winter.  Membership in one of the four, whicih compete on service and price, is mandatory.

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Posted by daveklepper on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:48 AM

Complying with the rule not to congregate in synagogues, our evening service was in the courtyard, despite our study-hall-synagogue being large enough to accomodate the some 14 - 18 students and the rabbi still at the Yeshiva during this period while keeping "social distancing."

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Posted by PJS1 on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:20 PM

Although not all the counties in Texas are reporting COVID-19 incidents and deaths, Texas Health and Human Services has a dashboard that reports some data.  Here is the link:

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83

No matter what data source one looks at, the data probably should be viewed as tentative.  For example, TXH&HS is reporting 974 cases while the CDC is showing 715 cases.  And John Hopkins is probably showing another set of numbers.  

None of them, as far as I can determine, are setting the numbers in context.  Assuming the 974 cases and 12 deaths reported by TXH&HS is the worst-case scenario, approximately .0034% of Texans have contracted the disease; approximately .00004% of the population has died from it, and 1.23 percent of those that got it died from it.  

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:23 PM

PJS1
Although not all the counties in Texas are reporting COVID-19 incidents and deaths, Texas Health and Human Services has a dashboard that reports some data.  Here is the link:

https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83

No matter what data source one looks at, the data probably should be viewed as tentative.  For example, TXH&HS is reporting 974 cases while the CDC is showing 715 cases.  And John Hopkins is probably showing another set of numbers.  

None of them, as far as I can determine, are setting the numbers in context.  Assuming the 974 cases and 12 deaths reported by TXH&HS is the worst-case scenario, approximately .0034% of Texans have contracted the disease; approximately .00004% of the population has died from it, and 1.23 percent of those that got it died from it.  

Considering that likely much less than 1% of Texans have even been tested, your deductions are as meaningless as the the numbers you want to challenge.

As mere mortals the decisions of medical professionals are the ones that should be followed - not those of pompous political buffons that have no grounding in scientific methodology.

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Posted by zugmann on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:34 PM

BaltACD
Considering that likely much less than 1% of Texans have even been tested,

~ 0.00046%, going by Sam's source. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:36 PM

Notoriously missing from most reports is the number of recovered patients, which will eventually reach around 98% given current trends.  

Of course, all we have available is the reported cases - those folks who caught SARS-CoV-2 and never sought medical treatment will never show up in any statistic.

I don't necessarily trust even the medical professionals.  Some of them have political agendas, too.  Looking at a cross section of the various official reports is more likely to give one a true sense of what's happening.

As I noted - it also helps to look at county-by-county reports.  Many rural areas have as few as no cases, while most urban areas predictably show higher concentrations.  

 

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Posted by PJS1 on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:38 PM

BaltACD
Considering that likely much less than 1% of Texans have even been tested, your deductions are as meaningless as the the numbers you want to challenge. 

Speculation about the number of cases in Texas is just speculation.  What the health department is reporting appears to be an accurate albeit subject to challenge count.

Divide any reported number of cases and deaths by an estimated population, i.e. county, state, nation, world, and one gets a very low percentage of cases and even fewer deaths as a percent of the population. 

I am not challenging any of the reported numbers, other than to note that the vary significantly from reporting agency to reporting agency. 

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:49 PM

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Divide any reported number of cases and deaths by an estimated population, i.e. county, state, nation, world, and one gets a very low percentage of cases and even fewer deaths as a percent of the population. 

When one considers that most of the currently developing cases would have been infected before the major lockdowns began, I would opine that the growth has not been as great a some predicted, other than the few hotspots like NYC and LA.  

We just picked up one more case in our four county area.

A newspaper front page covering the death of Kobe Bryant in late January also had a story about several cases of SARS-CoV-2.   And there are those who think it's been on our shores since well before that.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:56 PM

What is concerning to me is the impact on the health care providers. We need them and they do not have some of the tools (PPE) they need. If the growth of the number of cases continues to climb, the U.S. could be seeing what Italy has had. And since many of the cases are in Nursing homes, and Rehabilitation facilities with older populations, many who are already not in the best of health, I do not like what this portends. I believe a number of health care professionals have caught the Covid-19 and if that number climbs, we may not have the help we need when we catch the virus. 

So avoid unnecessary contact with others until this subsides. 

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:08 PM

Yetserday, I heard that only emergency surgery is to be provided in Utah, thus freeing all surgical caretakers to attend instances which are life-threatening.

Last Friday, when I had the follow-up visit with my opthalmologist after my first cataract procedure, he decided that he should go ahead with the other eye--tomorrow. This afternoon, I received a call from the University's Eye Center, giving me instructions for tomorrow morning. Apparently my situation is cosidered to be such that this shoild be done. This will be done, not in the University Hospital, but the facility that is dedicated to vision care.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:24 PM

Johnny, I have had the cataract surgery on each of my eyes in a surgercenter and my impression was that I was better served there because eye surgery was the only procedures performed so other risks were not present. Back in the '80's, I watched (on a video monitor) my dad have cataract surgery so I knew what to expect. It is very routine today. And your sight will be improved. Only negative is that you no longer have the variable focus lens you had so bifocals or reading glasses will be required. Good luck.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:31 PM

Deggesty

Yetserday, I heard that only emergency surgery is to be provided in Utah, thus freeing all surgical caretakers to attend instances which are life-threatening.

Last Friday, when I had the follow-up visit with my opthalmologist after my first cataract procedure, he decided that he should go ahead with the other eye--tomorrow. This afternoon, I received a call from the University's Eye Center, giving me instructions for tomorrow morning. Apparently my situation is cosidered to be such that this shoild be done. This will be done, not in the University Hospital, but the facility that is dedicated to vision care.

  

     Johnny:   Cataract Surgery is, these days, literally, 'a walk in the park'.  Relatively common, and many practitioners do them in what would amount to  a purpose- built, surgical suite within an office setting.

      I won't bore you with the details, but I was a candidate for both eyes, due to underlaying health conditions, and after a few months of stabilization with intra-eye injections of the breast cancer drug 'avastin'.... This took place about 4/5 years back.  It was done by a local area eye surgeon who came to our VA, a couple of times a month just to do patients there.  The whole proceedure(s) lasted about  a total of 30 min per eye ( done singlely, over several weeks)  Check at 7 Am and out the door by 8 AM.  

After about 4 years, my vision scores pretty well !  I do see a retina specialist about every 6 months...'stable' is my favorite word Whistling

 Best of Luck with you proceedure! Bow 

 

 


 

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Posted by greyhounds on Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:52 AM

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Cataract Surgery is, these days, literally, 'a walk in the park'. Relatively common, and many practitioners do them in what would amount to a purpose- built, surgical suite within an office setting.

For sure.  I had laser cataract surgery in both eyes several years ago.  The doctor did it one week apart, one eye at a time.  No time in a hospital, more like a suburban office building.  There was an anesthesiologist nurse each time.  They don't put you fully under but they do sedate you.  The anesthesilogists were different people. And that did make a difference.  I've never done drugs, but that 1st one sent me psychedelic.  I was drugged, loopy, and saw ever changing colorful kaleidoscopes.  I kind of enjoyed it.  "I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in."

That didn't happen on the 2nd eye.  I was kind of looking forward to it.

So anyway, I'm just amazed at what modern medicine does.  I guess in the past people with cataracts just went blind.  Now, it's a quick, painless fix.

I'm taking sensible precautions.  I have little choice.  Everything fun is closed and I'm "ordered" to stay home. BS.  It was a nice day today and I went for a short drive to enjoy it.  People were out walking, some with DOGS.  Three teens were defying authority and hanging out together on a small bridge over untroubled waters.  Their school is closed. The waterfowl were undisturbed and abundant.  As usual.

I have great faith in my doctor, our medical system, and in God.  I'll get though this, just quit making it miserable for me to do so.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:43 AM

I came throuigh the operation this moorning well. I bought an off-the-shelf pair of reading glasses which I need for reading; but I do not need glasses for working with my computer.

I undersrand that after my next appointment I will be able to get reading glasses that fit my need better/ I was aware of the work while it was bring done, and had no aftereffects.

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:05 PM

My apologies if this has already been shared elsewhere. The best map I've come across so far that shows the true status of viral spread in the U.S. appears in this article. Interactive so you can zoom, navigate, and hover over each county for stats.

https://apnews.com/316123a978e61bc6df7863f05fa419fa

 

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Posted by MMLDelete on Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:12 PM

Deggesty

I came throuigh the operation this moorning well. I bought an off-the-shelf pair of reading glasses which I need for reading; but I do not need glasses for working with my computer.

I undersrand that after my next appointment I will be able to get reading glasses that fit my need better/ I was aware of the work while it was bring done, and had no aftereffects.

 

 

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:57 PM

Bruce Kelly
...map...

We are starting to see folks from NYC (~20,000 cases) coming into our area (2 cases) to their summer homes.  Hopefully they'll self-quarantine for 14 days.  They probably won't, and that's when you'll see growth in this area.  

That map is just a little off for NYC.  It shows the five boroughs with zero cases...

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:07 PM

tree68
They probably won't, and that's when you'll see growth in this area.  

People refuse to take this seriously.  It will only get worse. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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