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Posted by Deggesty on Monday, March 2, 2020 3:54 PM

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The Centerbeam flat cars are notoriously top-heavy--they don't have thick underframes down below floor level.  I nearly had a passed-drawbar incident while working that would have fipped about a half-dozen of them on the yard lead...fortunately, I could grab the loads in the retarder, let the centerbeams right themselves and roll, then it could be fixed the right way with a locomotive making the joints.

 

I have not seen many centerbram cars up slose, but I am sure that if you examine one carefully, you will see instructions for loading and unloading--you do not fill one side and then fill the other; you balance the overall load as much as is possible--some on one side, as much on the other side plus as much, back to the first side and add more, back to the second side.... Unloading is done in reverse--some off, change sides....

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, March 2, 2020 2:50 PM

The Centerbeam flat cars are notoriously top-heavy--they don't have thick underframes down below floor level.  I nearly had a passed-drawbar incident while working that would have fipped about a half-dozen of them on the yard lead...fortunately, I could grab the loads in the retarder, let the centerbeams right themselves and roll, then it could be fixed the right way with a locomotive making the joints.

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, March 2, 2020 12:39 PM

tree68
NS encountered that very stringlining problem - twice, I believe - at Horse Shoe Curve.  

Trains did an article on it recently.

Pending something more authoritative, I'm with LO - at least part of the consideration would be the profile.

Amongst the various considerations, too, has to do with pre-blocking.  Arranging a train so that  blocks can be dropped at various points (and picked up, for that matter) certainly complicates the issue, at that means that loads and empties necessarily are scattered throughout the train.

The problem that affects center beam and other LIGHT, LONG, EMPTY cars is TRAILING TONNAGE on grades with curvature.

Baltimore Division CSX Timetable

Empty Car Placement Instructions for Trains

Empty cars 80 feet and longer must be placed in the train in such a location that the trailing tonnage behind these empty cars does not exceed the amount listed below. In territory where helper locomotives are used on the rear of the train, their tonnage rating should be subtracted to the trailing tonnage listed below when determining the location for the restricted car(s):

Between Direction Tonnage

Hyndman & Sand Patch
Westward 4,750

Connellsville & SandPatch
Eastward 8,500

Connellsville & New Castle
Eastward & Westward
13,300

The territory involving Sand Patch are mountain grades.  The Connellsville-New Castle territory has very little gradient, however their is a high degree of curvature account following rivers.

Building multi-block trains can create problems in complying with this and other car placement restrictions that the carriers have in effect.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, March 2, 2020 10:57 AM

NS encountered that very stringlining problem - twice, I believe - at Horse Shoe Curve.  

Trains did an article on it recently.

Pending something more authoritative, I'm with LO - at least part of the consideration would be the profile.

Amongst the various considerations, too, has to do with pre-blocking.  Arranging a train so that  blocks can be dropped at various points (and picked up, for that matter) certainly complicates the issue, at that means that loads and empties necessarily are scattered throughout the train.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Monday, March 2, 2020 8:30 AM

I can't answer either question. But as for the empty flats followed by loads, I wonder if this practice is okay on stretches of railroad without any significantly tight surves. ??

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Rookie Railfan Questions 2.0
Posted by steve-in-kville on Monday, March 2, 2020 6:29 AM

My original thread was getting too long...

What criteria must be met for a DPU to be placed mid-train? I've been seeing this more and more on both unit trains and mixed trains.

Also, I am seeing many empty center-posters at the beginning, following by loaded cars. Isn't this a risk to derail?

Thanks in advance.

Regards - Steve

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