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Manual interlocking?
Posted by Lithonia Operator on Saturday, December 21, 2019 8:28 PM

Are there many (any?) manual-lever-controlled interlocking plants left in the US?

If so, where is the most complex one?

And is there an interlocking in greater Charleston SC? And what type is it?

Finally, where in GA/SC/NC/VA can I find a busy interlocking in a relatively safe rural or small-town environment?

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Posted by jeffhergert on Saturday, December 21, 2019 8:50 PM

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Are there many (any?) manual-lever-controlled interlocking plants left in the US?

If so, where is the most complex one?

And is there an interlocking in greater Charleston SC? And what type is it?

Finally, where in GA/SC/NC/VA can I find a busy interlocking in a relatively safe rural or small-town environment?

 

There's a lot of manual interlockings left.  However, most are controlled by the train dispatchers.  For those on the scene, the interlocking doesn't look any different than a CTC installation.  

And those dispatcher controlled ones are all controlled electronically.  You would need a lot of piping and bellcranks to reach from the centralized dispatching offices to the interlockings out in the field. Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, December 21, 2019 10:17 PM

I could be mistaken - I don't think there are any truly manual interlockers left - Operated several of them in my day - when it came time to throw a switch or crossover - you had to summon your 'inner Hulk' and EXPLODE on that particular lever.  Crossover switch lock levers could also be difficult.

In those day a Signal Maintainer was assigned to each manual interlocking plant to maintain all the pipeline, switches, signals and the manual interlocking bed that all the levers and pipeline worked through and created the really manual form of locking that prevented conflicting moves from being lined up.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Saturday, December 21, 2019 11:30 PM

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Are there many (any?) manual-lever-controlled interlocking plants left in the US?

If so, where is the most complex one?

And is there an interlocking in greater Charleston SC? And what type is it?

Finally, where in GA/SC/NC/VA can I find a busy interlocking in a relatively safe rural or small-town environment?

 

 

 

There's a lot of manual interlockings left.  However, most are controlled by the train dispatchers.  For those on the scene, the interlocking doesn't look any different than a CTC installation.  

And those dispatcher controlled ones are all controlled electronically.  You would need a lot of piping and bellcranks to reach from the centralized dispatching offices to the interlockings out in the field. Smile, Wink & Grin

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I'm confused, Jeff. I don't understand how a remotely and electronically controlled interlocking can be considered "manual."

Maybe you're having some fun with me, I dunno. I don't get it.

But I'll agree that it would take a lot of pipe to reach from, say, Jacksonville to Waycross!!

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Posted by MMLDelete on Saturday, December 21, 2019 11:50 PM

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I could be mistaken - I don't think there are any truly manual interlockers left - Operated several of them in my day - when it came time to throw a switch or crossover - you had to summon your 'inner Hulk' and EXPLODE on that particular lever.  Crossover switch lock levers could also be difficult.

In those day a Signal Maintainer was assigned to each manual interlocking plant to maintain all the pipeline, switches, signals and the manual interlocking bed that all the levers and pipeline worked through and created the really manual form of locking that prevented conflicting moves from being lined up.

 

I can more than believe you regarding the oooomph required! Looking at photos and diagrams, I've wondered how it was even possible on the longer pipe runs. I assume that keeping everything well-greased was the key. But in really cold weather it must have been a back-breaker.

In an electrically-controlled plant, is it the case that even though motors initiate the movement, that still happens in a central location? And the movement is still conveyed via pipes like in olden days?

Or is there an array of electric switches, and no more pipes?

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 22, 2019 12:11 AM

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In an electrically-controlled plant, is it the case that even though motors initiate the movement, that still happens in a central location? And the movement is still conveyed via pipes like in olden days? Or is there an array of electric switches, and no more pipes?

If I remember correctly, many manual interlockings had electric actuation, with the actual switches being pushed by what were previously the connection to the pipe rods and manual throws in the field.

What makes the mechanical interlocker 'special' is not just that it has levers to throw, but that all the complicated mechanism of locking bars that makes the plant interlocking is also mechanical.  It is still a bit awe-inspiring to me that Saxby and Farmer were manufacturing this stuff for very complicated switch layouts, and could design systems that could provide error-free continuance for given routes in a mechanically-assured foolproof manner, less than half a decade after the Anerican Civil War.

Electropneumatic plants were first used in 1891, which substituted compressed air both for the long mechanical pipe 'trackers' and the central mechanical power needed to move them.  Electric actuators (including geared motors at individual switches) came in a couple of years later.  But you'd still require some system of positive lockouts to prevent part of a route being left incomplete, or a given switch being thrown by mistake in a set route.  This can be provided electrically (through a system of relay logic rather than mechanical bars locking the levers), which was first done in practice in the late 1920s, and I'd assume that this, rather than the way the actual logic control and power is relayed to the switches, is what makes a plant 'electrical' instead of 'manual' interlocking.  (Modern solid-state microprocessor interlocking control does all the route selection and error correction in software -- hopefully complex, self-healing, and extremely conservative and redundantly provided -- one hopes using fairly unhackable/crackable protocols and isolated systems!)

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Posted by MMLDelete on Sunday, December 22, 2019 12:25 AM

I trust metal bars more than software code. That could be wrong-headed. But my experience with computers hasn't made me think of them as infallible. Quite the contrary.

And think of Boeing's 737 MAX jets.

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, December 22, 2019 7:11 AM

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But I'll agree that it would take a lot of pipe to reach from, say, Jacksonville to Waycross!!

Or Deshler or Fostoria, Ohio...

That would be an interesting find as one wandered a ROW - pipe and bell cranks out in the middle of nowhere...

But, speaking of pipe and bellcranks, there was no tower there, or even what one would normally think of as an interlocking, but there are plenty of pipes and bellcranks laying in the bushes alongside the tracks in Big Moose, NY.  All I can think of is that said piping tied together switches, derails, etc to make life a tad easier (less walking) for the crews.  There was a wye there, too.

Most importantly, Big Moose is literally at the top of the hill (high point of the NYC), so if anything got away, it would get a good roll on fairly quickly (five miles of 1.1% in one direction).  Resetting derails would be crucial.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, December 22, 2019 7:46 AM

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But I'll agree that it would take a lot of pipe to reach from, say, Jacksonville to Waycross!! 

Or Deshler or Fostoria, Ohio...

That would be an interesting find as one wandered a ROW - pipe and bell cranks out in the middle of nowhere...

But, speaking of pipe and bellcranks, there was no tower there, or even what one would normally think of as an interlocking, but there are plenty of pipes and bellcranks laying in the bushes alongside the tracks in Big Moose, NY.  All I can think of is that said piping tied together switches, derails, etc to make life a tad easier (less walking) for the crews.  There was a wye there, too.

Most importantly, Big Moose is literally at the top of the hill (high point of the NYC), so if anything got away, it would get a good roll on fairly quickly (five miles of 1.1% in one direction).  Resetting derails would be crucial.

Don't know anything about Big Moose. 

With that being said, railroads 'back in the day' had numerous interlocking 'towers' in locations that today we view as the middle of nowhere.  Any number of such locations existed to facilitate the manipulation and 'servicing' of steam power (water most frequently) out on line of road.  Those locations that were abandoned, 50, 60 even 70 years ago would leave little evidence of their ever existing.  In most cases even the main line trackage at those locations has changed radically.  If Big Moose were the high point of it's territory - it is likely that in steam days that helpers may have been used to get trains over its summit; needless to say after getting trains over the summit, the additional power the provided the 'help' had to be dealt with (water, fuel, turning etc.)

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, December 22, 2019 8:05 AM

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I trust metal bars more than software code. That could be wrong-headed. But my experience with computers hasn't made me think of them as infallible. Quite the contrary.

And think of Boeing's 737 MAX jets.

Computers may not be infallible, however, they are today's fact of life; especially on Class 1's Computer Aided Dispatching Systems.  There is a high level of protection built into the computer software to protect all concerned.  

If a signal is lined and then the Dispatcher figures that is the wrong move and he desires to line up a different, potentiall conflicting, route - it is not just a matter of taking down the lined signal and lining the new route.  Every signal once lined, has a 'Time Out' feature associated with it - the time is calculated based upon the 'expected' operation of a train that would be operating under the authority of that signal and the signals on the trains route preceding the location as they would be affected by the signal's operation.  The 'Time' varies, from none upto about 10 minutes, and in some cases even more.  While 'Time' is running the system will not let the Dispatcher change the route - this 'Time' function also existed all Interlocking plants as each of the appropriate levers were locked after their route was lined - to change a route, the operator could operate the lever to set the signal to STOP, however, he could not change any other lever that were part of the route until Time had been run and unlocked all the other levers in the route.

The following explains some things about the 737 MAX.

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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, December 22, 2019 8:55 AM

thanks for a terrrific explanaition of the 737MAX

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, December 22, 2019 7:09 PM

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thanks for a terrrific explanaition of the 737MAX

A different look at the 737 MAX issues

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Sunday, December 22, 2019 8:01 PM

Not directly related to the OP's question, but maybe of some interest, in my model railroading efforts, I use a system to simulate CTC operations and control turnouts in interlockings that uses fail safe relay logic very similar to that once used by the prototype railroads.

It is intergrated into the signal system which is also all relay based using 24VDC ice cube control relays.

The dispatcher sets a route, the relays power all necessary turnouts to that route, return other turnouts to their prefered neutral/normal position, and provide all the required logic for the signals.

Then the dispatcher clears the route providing a clear signal if the route is both correct and clear.

And, making it even more like the OP's question/situation, all CTC panel controls are also duplicated on "tower panels" for each individual interlocking, allowing operation by "tower operators" with no main dispatcher on duty.

In another life, about 4 decades ago, I designed relay logic circuits for all sorts of industrial applications, then I learned how to program PLC's....... some of the very first ones.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:02 AM

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Are there many (any?) manual-lever-controlled interlocking plants left in the US?

If so, where is the most complex one?

And is there an interlocking in greater Charleston SC? And what type is it?

Finally, where in GA/SC/NC/VA can I find a busy interlocking in a relatively safe rural or small-town environment?

 

 

 

There's a lot of manual interlockings left.  However, most are controlled by the train dispatchers.  For those on the scene, the interlocking doesn't look any different than a CTC installation.  

And those dispatcher controlled ones are all controlled electronically.  You would need a lot of piping and bellcranks to reach from the centralized dispatching offices to the interlockings out in the field. Smile, Wink & Grin

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I'm confused, Jeff. I don't understand how a remotely and electronically controlled interlocking can be considered "manual."

Maybe you're having some fun with me, I dunno. I don't get it.

But I'll agree that it would take a lot of pipe to reach from, say, Jacksonville to Waycross!!

 

You have to remember that 'manual' refers to the requirement that a person (control operator) operate the controls to line up a route of the interlocking plant.  Whether it be the old 'armstrong' levers, pistol grip electro pneumatic, or CTC type control panel.  Or now on a computer screen. 

An 'automatic' interlocking lines up a route automatically when a train hits the approach circuit. First train gets the light.  

I'm guessing that from the technical, hardware side of things, the bells and whistles for a manual interlocking aren't much different than a CTC control point in this day and age.  The biggest difference is probably the rules that govern the use of them.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:06 AM

And the amount of territory they cover.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 7:01 AM

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You have to remember that 'manual' refers to the requirement that a person (control operator) operate the controls to line up a route of the interlocking plant.  Whether it be the old 'armstrong' levers, pistol grip electro pneumatic, or CTC type control panel.  Or now on a computer screen. 

Example of an automatic interlocking you can watch on-line:  Rochelle, IL.  First come, first serve.

Example of a manual interlocking you can watch on-line:  Deshler, OH.  You'll often see comments in the chat about how the dispatcher has "lined" a train through.  Back when you could see the ATCS on your own computer, you could see those routings when the dispatcher lined them up.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 7:46 AM

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You have to remember that 'manual' refers to the requirement that a person (control operator) operate the controls to line up a route of the interlocking plant.  Whether it be the old 'armstrong' levers, pistol grip electro pneumatic, or CTC type control panel.  Or now on a computer screen.  

Example of an automatic interlocking you can watch on-line:  Rochelle, IL.  First come, first serve.

Example of a manual interlocking you can watch on-line:  Deshler, OH.  You'll often see comments in the chat about how the dispatcher has "lined" a train through.  Back when you could see the ATCS on your own computer, you could see those routings when the dispatcher lined them up.

There area also hybrid Automatic railroad crossings at grade interlockings.  The logic for who gets the over the crossing first is automatic, however, the Train Dispatcher may withhold the request to cross by not lining his traffic over the crossing.  Once the Dispatcher lines 'his' traffic indicator the automatic logic of the crossing takes care of the rest.

The reason for this kind of arrangement is where there is main track switching or similar activities taking place closely beyond the crossing and for operational reasons the Dispatcher doesn't want to hold the 'next' train at the control point in advance of the railroad crossing at grade - which may be any number of miles in advance of the crossing.   A location where this kind of logic could potentially be implemented is a Rochelle on the Westbound signal on the track nearest the camera.  Just beyond the crossing (out of camera sight) is the East end of the Global 3 yard.  Such a arrangement would permit a engine to operate to or exit the East end of Global 3 while at Westbound is being held at the absolute signal protecting the crossing - once that engine has either cleared or begun Westward movement the absolute signal at the crossing would then be cleared and the automatic logic operating the crossing would then apply and the signal would display to the train.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 8:11 AM

In my experience, on my carrier(s) Manual Interlocking has always referred to 'armstrong' type plants with pipelines from the levers in the tower operating the switches and crossovers.

The CADS, as normally operated by CSX Train Dispatchers, is a manual system.  The system does have a 'automatic' feature built into it.  The track segment and trains can be manually defined to the system as being Automatic by the Train Dispatcher.  When various Dispatchers have used these features they have discovered too many curious decisions and results by the automatic system to catalog.  A number of Train Dispatchers incurred adverse discipline when using 'Automatic' and they did not supervise the operation closely enough to prevent unwarranted delay to trains; as a consequence 'Automatic' is rarely used.

Two other features of CADS is the ability to 'stack' signals, where the system can be told to line particular signal(s) a specified number of times.  Example - the VRE morning fleet of 6 trains will be operating North on #2 track by the Control Poit 'Fredericksburg' - Stack the signal at Fredericksburg to line North on #2 and the Dispatcher doesn't have worry about lining the signal for each individual train.

The second feature is known as Union Route - which permits the Dispatcher to set up for complex moves affecting multiple trains - trains crossing over, going into sidings, holding until another train makes a move past the affected train.  Once the Dispatcher has decided how the moves at the location will take place, he will input the Union Route instructions into CADS and then he can devote his attentions to the other issues taking place on his territory.

Knowing how the 'read' the model board and the various indications it displays, one can 'see' the logic the Dispatcher is using to run his railroad, and from a supervision stand point be able to question the moves he is making.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 8:53 AM

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In my experience, on my carrier(s) Manual Interlocking has always referred to 'armstrong' type plants with pipelines from the levers in the tower operating the switches and crossovers.

This is the type of plant I was asking about. Something built around 1925 or so, I guess.

Are there any towers still in use which currently control a plant, and even though they don't use the armstrong levers, the levers are still there to see? And in my fantasy, there is a super-friendly operator there who loves to show off the place to railfans. (As you can tell, I don't want MUCH).

Is there any railroad museum or tourist road that still operates a fully-manual interlocking? (I am guessing not.)

Where are the best non-functioning restored interlocking towers, where one can visit and see all the armstrong levers? Seems like I've read about some, maintained by railfan groups. Are there any in GA/SC/NC/VA?

I appeciate all the input, guys.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:14 AM

I propose that we at least think about adopting some conventions for naming things, as poor LO is now getting visibly confused by the terminology.

A tower with mechanical 'armstrong levers' actuating pipes and bellcranks is NOT yet an 'interlocking'.  There has to be some method of ensuring that routes, and not just individual switch positions, can be set. 

On any armstrong plant built before 1929, this had to be done with 'mechanical interlocking', which is the thing Saxby and Farmer pioneered and built, and Buchanan et al. did a different way a few years later.  These are the metal bars that move, analogous in a sense to wards in a lock, to ensure that multiple levers move together and others can't be moved.

By 1891, the armstrong levers no longer needed to move pipes on rollers and the like; they could actuate relatively simple valves that direct compressed air to cylinders or air motors at the switches or other devices to be moved.  Only a few years later, the same could be done with relatively simple electrical switches to individual solenoids or electric motors.  However in all these cases the actual interlocking is still implemented mechanically, via levers and bars, even though it would now be technically possible to use much simpler control means.

Only in 1929 was the first plant built that replaced levers for route selection with the equivalent of pushbuttons, with the 'interlocking' action now done with relay logic.  This incidentally allowed remote operation of tower plants.  This facilitated the relatively early introduction of CTC, where the 'interlocking' action was now extended to route integrity selected for train movement, rather than just setting tracks a certain way.  Note that the use of the word 'manual' here means what Jeff was saying -- that the routes are still set deterministically by humans working controls, the difference being only that the lockout of improper routes is now done electrically rather than mechanically.

It is theoretically possible to servo-equip armstrong-style plants to make them 'automatic' but to my knowledge this was not done; relay logic would have been simpler and far less maintenance-intensive. and permitted other features.

There are two basic styles of 'automatic' (vs. manual) operation once you have electric logic controlling remote electric switches.  These again have to do with the way the 'interlocking' functionality for safety is provided.  One approach is to control the inputs to relay logic (or its functional equivalent) that acts to select 'only one route' and resolve or flag any errors or hangups in the overall switch-lining.  The other is to handle the interlocking 'in software' and use error-detection and correction routines to catch misalignments; the individual commands to the individual switches are not interconnected electrically at all.  This gives considerably more flexibility (and tolerance to failure of individual devices) but requires very careful programming to be safe.

We need terminology that reflects all these differences as unambiguously in discussion as possible. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 9:53 AM

All interlockings and/or Control Points are designed and built to support a desired from of operations at the specific point it was installed - no matter the physical manner in which it is manipulated - that manipulation can be by armstrong levers and pipelines, electro-pneumatic operation, non-dual control electric or dual- control electric.

As a operator, when stationed at a Armstrong pipeline plant, the Signal Maintainer would take a few minutes in the qualification routine to run through the procedures required to 'bar over & spike' switches and/or crossovers before authorizing trains to pass stop signals in accordance with the appropriate rules.

I never worked a electro-pneumatic plant.  On my territory(s) as a Dispatcher, there were several electro-pneumatic control points.  If there were issues with the operation of the switches - a Signal Maintainer was the ONLY recourse to move trains past the control point, as there is no means for the Dispatcher to insure switch position without the plant in fully functioning order.

Plants that are equipped with non-dual control electric switches, when the switches cannot be operated, require the Operator or Signal Maintainer to unlock a cover on the switch machine and use a small crank to move the switch points from normal to reverse of vice versa - once the switch points have been moved by the crank method they must be spiked into position for the movement to be authorized past the stop signal in accordance with the rules.

Dual Control electric switches have the switch machine in the field equipped with a two position lever - Power on one side, Hand on the other side.  If the switch(s) cannot be operated with normal electrical power, personnel (Signal Maintainer or Train Crew) can be authorized by the Train Dispatcher to move that lever to the hand position and then operate another lever to throw and secure the switch.  Train Crews will be instructed by the Dispatcher to line their train for the route the Train Dispatcher wants the train to operate - removing switches from power as necessary and operating them in the Hand position.  In 21st Century railroading most all power switches are now dual-control.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 12:30 PM

I'm interested in visiting an interlocking tower that operates an actual interlocking, even if it's just a small part of one, using the armstrong levers, the pipes, the affected mechanical switches.

I am wondering if any museum or tourist road has that, where one can actually see/feel it all work, even if they are "routes to nowhere."

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Posted by jeffhergert on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 2:35 PM

The BNSF Rochelle crossing is completely automatic.  It doesn't appear on the UP dispatcher's CAD screen.  The BNSF crossing in Fremont NE is a manual interlocking and does appear on the UP dispatcher's screeen.  The UP dispatcher controls the interlocking.  BNSF trains used to always switch over to the UP radio channel as they approached and called the dispatcher for a signal.  The dispatcher would either say keep coming or wait 10 to 30 minutes.  (The best one was when the UP had taken the diamonds, which they maintain, out of service for said maintenance.  The BNSF train evidently hadn't got the memo.  They called and said they'ld be down in 10 minutes if the UP could take them.  The dispatcher said it would be about 6 hours.)  Lately, I haven't heard them call.  Possibly they've given the UP dispatcher access to the BNSF radio channel or some other protocol is in place.

We have some of those hyrid manual/automatic interlockings in my area.  A couple places the UP switch, junction or siding, is in the plant where a foreign railroad crosses.  The crossing part is automatic, but the dispatcher has to clear our trains over the switch, too.  Instructions usually are if the signal is red, first contact the dispatcher and if s/he isn't holding the signal to then operate the release box for the automatic portion. 

The last two interlocking control machines that were in use in Iowa are both preserved.  One, out of the tower in Des Moines at Short Line Jct, is now at the Boone & Scenic Valley Railroad.  It currently is not on display and is an old pistol grip type machine.

The other, also an older pistol grip (the grips are much smaller than the Short Line Jct machine) is still in the tower at Iowa Falls, called Mills Tower on employee time tables.  It controlled at one time, the RI north/south main crossings of the IC and a RI branch.  The branch crossed both the RI and IC, so the tower sat in the middle of a triangle of tracks.

While not interlockings, many semaphore train order signals were operated by levers with the associated piping and bellcranks.  Not as complicated, nor maybe as glamorous as a full blown interlocking, it gives the idea on how the motion worked.  There are some still in existance at some preserved depots.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 3:16 PM

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I am wondering if any museum or tourist road has that, where one can actually see/feel it all work, even if they are "routes to nowhere."

If I understand the page for the Miller Tower project correctly

http://www.semaphores.com/MillerT/MillerT.html

there was no mechanical frame anywhere that was still connected to pushrods and cranks to move switchgear and derails at the time of writing.  Miller and perhaps some others preserve the mechanical locking bed, and the experience of moving the levers with strictly mechanical route interlocking, but not the full-tilt experience Balt and some others describe of having to move the whole plant 'by hand'.

I know of no restoration that intends to put back a purely-mechanical armstrong tower and plant; that's not to say that someone isn't contemplating it somewhere -- or has completed one somewhere that hasn't been documented yet.

Or is on Facebook.  I don't do Facebook.

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Posted by MMLDelete on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 3:20 PM

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While not interlockings, many semaphore train order signals were operated by levers with the associated piping and bellcranks.  Not as complicated, nor maybe as glamorous as a full blown interlocking, it gives the idea on how the motion worked.  There are some still in existance at some preserved depots.

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Thanks, Jeff. Yeah, it sounds like I need to look into finding a preserved depot with a semaphore setup, to get the idea. Good idea.
 
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Posted by jeffhergert on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 4:53 PM

A couple of tower tales.

My father and I in about 1976 and 1977, visited the CNW tower at Tama, IA.  It controlled the Milwaukee Road crossing there.  It was a lever/mechanical interlocking, and I was permitted to line up a couple of CNW trains.  We only saw one MILW train, and this was from the tower.  The operator went down to the ground to inspect the CNW trains, but he said he didn't always do that for the MILW trains. 

About 6 to 8 months later, a MILW train derailed and knocked the tower down.  At first they couldn't find the operator, thinking he was in the wreckage of the tower and train.  Fortunately, he later showed up unhurt.  He had been down doing a roll-by when the train derailed.  He decided since there was nothing more he could do and it being his bulletined meal period, he went uptown to a restaurant for lunch.  The old heads in talking about him, said he was a character.  Yes, I guess maybe he was.

The other active tower I've been in was the RI's at Short Line Jct.  It was in June of 1979 and a friend and I stopped in.  The operator explained the operation of the interlocking, how if it's not set right you can't move the pistol grip and the switch or signal it operated.  He told me to pull on this one grip, that it wouldn't come out.  I pulled on it and it came out.  Then he was, "Now how did that happen?"  He obviously didn't have the plant set up like he though he did.

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Posted by PATTBAA on Saturday, September 26, 2020 2:55 PM

" SONO Switch Tower Museum" in South Norwalk; please view their web site.A circa 1880 "armstrong lever" technology.The tower is the subject of a recent book with the word "Classic" in the title.Also on view isl the control-board that "supervised" the 11,000 volt circuit-breakers at the adjacent "anchor bridge". Recently a man from Westchester Pa. who is expert on mechanical  devoted a considerable amount of time to compile a "dog chart". (???) The Tower is located where the Danbury Branch veers of the main line , so after visiting the Musuem you can continue by train to the Danbury Rail Musuem, this presuming there's an end to the covid 19 virus.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:15 PM

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I am wondering if any museum or tourist road has that, where one can actually see/feel it all work, even if they are "routes to nowhere." 

If I understand the page for the Miller Tower project correctly

http://www.semaphores.com/MillerT/MillerT.html

there was no mechanical frame anywhere that was still connected to pushrods and cranks to move switchgear and derails at the time of writing.  Miller and perhaps some others preserve the mechanical locking bed, and the experience of moving the levers with strictly mechanical route interlocking, but not the full-tilt experience Balt and some others describe of having to move the whole plant 'by hand'.

I know of no restoration that intends to put back a purely-mechanical armstrong tower and plant; that's not to say that someone isn't contemplating it somewhere -- or has completed one somewhere that hasn't been documented yet.

Or is on Facebook.  I don't do Facebook.

Try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mills_Tower_Historic_District

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Posted by jeffhergert on Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:29 PM

Electroliner 1935

 

 
Overmod
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I am wondering if any museum or tourist road has that, where one can actually see/feel it all work, even if they are "routes to nowhere." 

If I understand the page for the Miller Tower project correctly

http://www.semaphores.com/MillerT/MillerT.html

there was no mechanical frame anywhere that was still connected to pushrods and cranks to move switchgear and derails at the time of writing.  Miller and perhaps some others preserve the mechanical locking bed, and the experience of moving the levers with strictly mechanical route interlocking, but not the full-tilt experience Balt and some others describe of having to move the whole plant 'by hand'.

I know of no restoration that intends to put back a purely-mechanical armstrong tower and plant; that's not to say that someone isn't contemplating it somewhere -- or has completed one somewhere that hasn't been documented yet.

Or is on Facebook.  I don't do Facebook.

 

Try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mills_Tower_Historic_District

 

Mills didn't have the armstrong levers.  It was a pistol-grip type interlocking machine.

Until recently, one of the people involved with the Iowa Falls Historical Society would open up the tower grounds at various times.  Since he was a railfan, he would open it when there were railfan/model railroad shows in the area or just to have a place for the local railfan fraternity to have a day out.  Sadly, he passed away recently so it's being open may be more restricted. 

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, September 27, 2020 7:10 PM

PATTBAA
" SONO Switch Tower Museum" in South Norwalk; please view their web site.A circa 1880 "armstrong lever" technology

Very little is visible on their site: the history is being 'rewritten' and their picture gallery requires Flash Player, which crApple doesn't support, but the video says the frame 'is not hooked up' to any mechanical linkage.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MBxO9n8MZhk

They do note that the plant was interlocked in the safety sense, but not ganged so multiple levers were thrown together... you pulled the individual levers in order until the 'iron was lined'.

I suspect the 'dog chart' was the schematic of the internal bars in the actual interlocking mechanism... something I am still a bit in awe of for a plant like SONO with 68 levers, let alone a large one with well over 100 as in some terminals...

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