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Posted by SD70Dude on Saturday, October 5, 2019 12:29 AM

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We still get a yearly ride, too.

As do we, plus an unannounced (usually banner) test.  I ran radar on a train tonight (they passed).  Plus we do "219" tests - signs of drug and alcohol use.

And that's on a tourist line...

Still a real live railroad that has to comply with FRA regulations.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you aren't deliberately looking to collect failures, or have any sort of quota to fill....

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, October 4, 2019 10:26 PM

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We still get a yearly ride, too.

As do we, plus an unannounced (usually banner) test.  I ran radar on a train tonight (they passed).  Plus we do "219" tests - signs of drug and alcohol use.

And that's on a tourist line...

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, October 4, 2019 6:27 PM

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We still get a yearly ride, too.  Of course they have access to downloads.  Many engines now can be downloaded at any time, others have to go past a reader, some can only be downloaded physically.  The physical ones are usually because they are looking for something specific.  I've been stopped twice to have a download because of something that happened to/by a previous, once a couple of previous crews.  Of course if they are going to all the trouble to download, they might as well review the whole available record.  Once in a while catch someone who wasn't on the radar.  Now, they often will also check the inward facing camera tape, too.

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Before I retired CSX had a entire computer application dedicated to tracking downloads of both data and video from locomotives (trains) that were involved in some form of accidental happening. (crossing accident, struck pedestrian, vehicle parked too close to he tracks, etc. etc. etc.)  As I recall, the locomotive had to be downloaded within 72 hours of the incident or the loop would record over the prior data.  When using the application the Chief Dispater had to identify in the application which RFE had been notified and when; it was then the RFE's responsibility to either get the download himself or arrange with one of his counterparts to have it done and then report the handling in the application.  I imagine this was being done for the Legal Dept.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Friday, October 4, 2019 5:56 PM

We still get a yearly ride, too.  Of course they have access to downloads.  Many engines now can be downloaded at any time, others have to go past a reader, some can only be downloaded physically.  The physical ones are usually because they are looking for something specific.  I've been stopped twice to have a download because of something that happened to/by a previous, once a couple of previous crews.  Of course if they are going to all the trouble to download, they might as well review the whole available record.  Once in a while catch someone who wasn't on the radar.  Now, they often will also check the inward facing camera tape, too.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, October 4, 2019 11:21 AM

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When it comes to Engineers, the supervisory position Road Foreman of Engines is required to make a 'check ride' with each Engineer he supervises on, I believe, a yearly basis. That does not mean that the RFE checks the Engineer on each of the territories they may be qualified on, that being said, the RFE is normally the one that will initially qualify a Engineer on a particular route. 

That's all done via a remote tape pull to the home office anymore.   No more riding required.  

Riding was required when I was employed - then came EHH and the elimination of the RFE position.

Of course when I was employed, a crew got 30 days off for Speeding that was deduced from a download of the locomotive a while after the trip.  ETT listed 25 MPH through the area of the speeding and train was doing 25 MPH, however the Main Track was in Yard Limits and Yard Limits restricted speed through the limits to Restricted Speed (which maxes out at 15 MPH).

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, October 4, 2019 9:00 AM

BaltACD
When it comes to Engineers, the supervisory position Road Foreman of Engines is required to make a 'check ride' with each Engineer he supervises on, I believe, a yearly basis. That does not mean that the RFE checks the Engineer on each of the territories they may be qualified on, that being said, the RFE is normally the one that will initially qualify a Engineer on a particular route.

 

That's all done via a remote tape pull to the home office anymore.   No more riding required.  

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, October 3, 2019 4:29 PM

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When would a train need a pilot to run over a railroads territory?

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When you are running on a road that you are not qualified to run on--that is, when you are not familiar with the territory so that yout anticipate changes in the gradient, curves,  know where to reduce your speed amd where you may increase your speed; the conductor also has to be familiar with the territory. The usual call for pilots is when you are detouring over a foreign road.that you are not familiar with. 

When one railroad has trackage rights over another road, the crews of the tenant road must be familiar with the owning road. 

About a year ago, as I was coming west, the owning railorad's dispatcher stopped the Amtrak train in western Nebraska because of high winds, by the time that winds died down, the train and engine crews' time had run out--and there was no qualified Amtrak crew available to take us in to Denver, so we not only had relief Amtrak crews (they were qualified to run west but not east from Denver, but also a BNSF engineer and a BNSF conductor to operate the train into Denver. Perhaps the only Amtrak crews that were qualified and available were to take the eastbound out of Denver that evening, and so they were not called take the westbound into Denver.

With the FRA now being involved in Qualifications.  Engineers and Conductors have to keep their Qualifications current.  Qualifications, I believe, expire after one year.  If a Conductor or Engineer has not operated over a particular territory within one year of the current date, their qualification has lapsed for that territory.

Extra Boards tend to cover vacancies on multiple territories and those who go to those boards find if they 'want to make money' they become qualified on everything the board protects.  CSX Crew Management software works in concert with the T & E payroll software and thereby keeps track of what territories employees work and when.  I suspect other Class 1's have similar software to keep track of their employees qualifications.

When it comes to Engineers, the supervisory position Road Foreman of Engines is required to make a 'check ride' with each Engineer he supervises on, I  believe, a yearly basis.  That does not mean that the RFE checks the Engineer on each of the territories they may be qualified on, that being said, the RFE is normally the one that will initially qualify a Engineer on a particular route. 

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, October 3, 2019 2:29 PM

caldreamer

When would a train need a pilot to run over a railroads territory?

    Caldreamer

 

When you are running on a road that you are not qualified to run on--that is, when you are not familiar with the territory so that yout anticipate changes in the gradient, curves,  know where to reduce your speed amd where you may increase your speed; the conductor also has to be familiar with the territory. The usual call for pilots is when you are detouring over a foreign road.that you are not familiar with.

When one railroad has trackage rights over another road, the crews of the tenant road must be familiar with the owning road. 

About a year ago, as I was coming west, the owning railorad's dispatcher stopped the Amtrak train in western Nebraska because of high winds, by the time that winds died down, the train and engine crews' time had run out--and there was no qualified Amtrak crew available to take us in to Denver, so we not only had relief Amtrak crews (they were qualified to run west but not east from Denver, but also a BNSF engineer and a BNSF conductor to operate the train into Denver. Perhaps the only Amtrak crews that were qualified and available were to take the eastbound out of Denver that evening, and so they were not called take the westbound into Denver.

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When does a train need a pilot
Posted by caldreamer on Thursday, October 3, 2019 2:05 PM

When would a train need a pilot to run over a railroads territory?

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