There is nothing inaccurate in what she said.
As the second-place winners in the "Game of Thrones" the German communist leadership was immediately packed off to concentration camps. The rank-and-file, not so much, that would have been impractical. All other political parties in Germany were outlawed as well, but if you kept your mouth shut and went along the program as laid out by the Nazis you could get along. But if you didn't...
And don't feel too much sympathy for the Communists, their goal was tyranny as well.
It was political opponents of the Nazis who were packed off to the concentration camps first. What came to be known as the Holocaust didn't drop on Germany's Jews like a hammer-blow right after Hitler took power. That was ratcheted up slowly over a period of years until the ultimate, horrific outcome.
No, you didn't have to be Jewish to find yourself in a concentration camp, that is if you weren't beaten to death by an SA or SS-Mann first.
And the Nazis did exercise controls of production of goods, plus prices and wages. It was all part of their policy of gleichshaltung, or co-ordination. German industrialists were all too willing to go along with it because it lessened the problems of competition with one another. At any rate, it was a lot better than they would have expected had the Communists taken power, although after a while a lot of German businessmen said that being in business in Nazi Germany was like being the conductor of a runaway bus, You could take the money, but you had no control over the speed or direction the bus was going!
Let's get the definition straight. The Nazis never referred to themselves as "Nazis," it was always "National Socialists." "Nazi" was a pejorative term used by others, it derived from "Ignatz," a German comic character. "Ignatz" was a Bavarian "hayseed" who also went by the name "Natzi." Get it? "Ig-Natzi."
And the Nazis took the socialism part seriously. Universal health care? They had it. Affordable low-income housing, and quality housing as well? They provided that too. Full employment? You bet. If you needed a job the Party would find you one, maybe not your dream job, but you'd be working, earning money and self-respect.
But look at the cost!
The Nazis were left-wingers all right, I didn't believe it myself until I did the research. Read the Nazi Party manifesto. Read the Goebbels diaries. Watch that Nazi Titanic movie the next time one of the history channels shows it, it's not just anti-British, it's anti-capitalist as well.
Hitler, Goering, Goebbels, Himmler never called themselves conservatives, they called themselves revolutionaries. They meant it too.
Look at the line from the Nazi Party song "Die Fahne Hoch,"
Comrades by Red Front and Reaction killed are buried, but march with us in spirit at our side!
Don't be fooled by the militarism, no-one, right or left, has a monopoly on that. The only right-wing militarists we fought in World War Two were the Japanese.
That's all I'm going to say on that subject. I'm reminded of the debating society competion rule of "The first side that mentions Hitler loses!"
Anyone else can have the last word. Then maybe I'll start on the Red Chinese, although I don't know what else there is to be said on that subject that hasn't been said already.
charlie hebdo And as more places eliminate hydrocarbon-based packaging, the wood pulp demand will grow.
And as more places eliminate hydrocarbon-based packaging, the wood pulp demand will grow.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
The woodland preservationists are just going to love that.
I thought the whole point of hydrocarbon-based packaging was to preserve timber resources?
Flintlock76 charlie hebdo And as more places eliminate hydrocarbon-based packaging, the wood pulp demand will grow. The woodland preservationists are just going to love that. I thought the whole point of hydrocarbon-based packaging was to preserve timber resources?
Murphy Siding Flintlock76 charlie hebdo And as more places eliminate hydrocarbon-based packaging, the wood pulp demand will grow. The woodland preservationists are just going to love that. I thought the whole point of hydrocarbon-based packaging was to preserve timber resources? Wood guy here. More wood grows on trees in the US and in the world than the amount that gets taken out every year. Wood- it's like the stuff grows on trees!
Wood guy here. More wood grows on trees in the US and in the world than the amount that gets taken out every year. Wood- it's like the stuff grows on trees!
Oh you know that, and I know that, but there's a very vocal group of people out there who don't seem to know that, or want to know that, or even care about that.
You know who I mean.
Just so you know, I'm a conservationist myself, of the Teddy Roosevelt school.
GrampTwo socialist regimes, the Nazi's and the Soviet's, started WWII in Europe by together attacking Poland. As leftist's do, the Nazi's then turned on the Soviets.
I just want to say, that might be the single greatest paragraph I've ever seen posted on this forum.
You just made my day. Unfortunately I give this thread less than a 2% chance of survival tomorrow.
SD70DudeBoxcars are still in high demand for pulp and paper products.
They are needed for auto parts for assembly shipments as well.
charlie hebdo Our government has been subsidizing Boeing commercial airliner division for years through DOD contracts, but our hawkish members apparently never heard of Ike's warning about the MIC.
Our government has been subsidizing Boeing commercial airliner division for years through DOD contracts, but our hawkish members apparently never heard of Ike's warning about the MIC.
I think that charge is very misleading and gets one specific political party that likes to manipulate the tax code off the hook. The majority of the subsidies that the WTO is arguing about on the Boeing side are tax subsidies and tax incentives to build plants in specific states or produce jobs. The argument that Boeing benefits from DoD technological spillover might be a bit stronger if Airbus, Embraer, and Bombardier did not also land defense contracts or did not benefit from the same technological spillover. Fact is they do and in fact they all admit they do. They are just complaining because their specific countries defense budget is not as large as the United States (especially Canada bitches about it) Gee I don't know 15 million people in Canada vs 320 million or so in the United States? Little disparity there in Defense Budget.....ya think? So Canadian Defense (and railcar) manufacturers like Bombardier complain only that Canadian Defense spending is very paltry compared to the United States. Whose fault is that?
They are just bitching about DoD contracts to Boeing because their respective governments choose to buy Boeing products over their domestically made Bombardier, Embraer, and Airbus substitutes. That is free choice of their respective governments and has zero to do with an actual subsidy.
It's called the marketplace in operation and governments choosing interoperability or higher quality over what they can get domestically. Our DoD returns the favor via purchases from European arms manufacturers when it is proven via tests they have the better system. Also, the marketplace in action. Sometimes that is stymied by "Buy American" provisions but those are not done via Boeing those are again the politicians to "save jobs".
Google recent WTO decisions on these matters. Recent decisions point to tax advantages Boeing gets over competitors.
Flintlock76 Let's get the definition straight. The Nazis never referred to themselves as "Nazis," it was always "National Socialists." "Nazi" was a pejorative term used by others, it derived from "Ignatz," a German comic character. "Ignatz" was a Bavarian "hayseed" who also went by the name "Natzi." Get it? "Ig-Natzi."
My high school German teacher said that "Nazi" was derived from the pronunciation of "Nationellen". She did mention that one of the post war reactions to the horrors of that era was that "Fraktur" typefaces were banned after WW2. She also mentioned that the train stations in Germnay were almost always brand new as the station and yard tracks were target nummer eins for the bombers.
CMSt.P&P-- Canadian population is NOT 15 million, 37.06 Million 2018
You only missed by >22 Million.
Erik_Mag Flintlock76 Let's get the definition straight. The Nazis never referred to themselves as "Nazis," it was always "National Socialists." "Nazi" was a pejorative term used by others, it derived from "Ignatz," a German comic character. "Ignatz" was a Bavarian "hayseed" who also went by the name "Natzi." Get it? "Ig-Natzi." My high school German teacher said that "Nazi" was derived from the pronunciation of "Nationellen". She did mention that one of the post war reactions to the horrors of that era was that "Fraktur" typefaces were banned after WW2. She also mentioned that the train stations in Germnay were almost always brand new as the station and yard tracks were target nummer eins for the bombers.
Oh, I heard that too, years ago. Nazi from National Sozialist, the complete version is National Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei, or National Socialist German Workers Party. Also referred to a the NSDAP.
But the thing is, in seeing interviews of surviors of the era, in the party or close to it, I've never heard any of them use the term "Nazi," it's always National Socialist or NSDAP. I've never heard Hitler use "Nazi" in any of the speeches we see on film, or any other of the top Nazis for that matter, it's always National Socialist.
Matter of fact, in the speech that's the climax of "Triumph Of The Will" Hitler roars out "Es lebe die National Sozialistische bewegung! Es lebe Deutschland!"
"Long live the National Socialist movement! Long live Germany!"
I don't mind using the term "Nazi" at all, by the way, it's a lot more convenient!
It also means the idiot native Nazis we've got in this country calling themselves such don't know what the hell they're talking about!
No surprise about the train stations. Urban renewal courtesy of the RAF and the 8th Air Force. Oh, brother...
The 3 biggest targets for the 9th Air Force that is the Medium bombers that we used in the European theatre in WW2. They're in order railroad tracks particular bridges over rivers followed by yards and shops. Second was highway bridges of any kind. Last was airfields and troop marshalling areas things like armor repair depots ammo dumps fuel dumps. The 8th and 15th boy's concentrated on things like oil production facilities. Germany was heavily reliant on synthetic oil and gas industry in WW2 except for the Romanian oil production facilities. They also bombed the aircraft and other heavy production facilities. The British did area bombing in the cities at night.
It's been said that Churchill when he heard Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 41 literally said that if Germany had been invaded the other way around it might have been the Germans getting the British as the ally instead of the Soviet Union. Neither of those 2 nation's were well liked by Western nation's based upon their own actions. It was literally pick the least offensive one to help.
I keep forgetting the 9th and 15th Air Forces. My apologies, shame on me!
Your mentioning Churchill reminded me of something. When Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union then-senator Harry Truman was asked what the US should do about it.
Know what Harry said?
"I think we should just sit back and watch them rip the hell out of each other!"
Flintlock76 gives a nice, condensed explanation of explaining how the National Socialist Party operated economically under Hitler. [I wrote a 52 page paper on Hitler's economic policy for a grad school class and it could also be very briefly summarized about the same.] The idea of the nazis as a right wing party was pushed by the communists and their supporters in an attempt to discredit them. Hitler constantly sold his party as a "National Socialist" one to the average German who had been through terrible economic times after the end of WWI. His rise to power came down to who the remaining traditional minded Germans would support. It was believed that either he or the communists would take over if a bloody civil war broke out in Germany which was a definite possibility at the time. In the end, they elected to go with him because of his nationalistic stance versus a communist party tied to Russia. But in no way could the Nazi government be called "right-wing" both back then or today.
Thanks for the kind words Alphas!
Flintlock76 And the Nazis did exercise controls of production of goods, plus prices and wages. It was all part of their policy of gleichshaltung, or co-ordination. German industrialists were all too willing to go along with it because it lessened the problems of competition with one another. At any rate, it was a lot better than they would have expected had the Communists taken power, although after a while a lot of German businessmen said that being in business in Nazi Germany was like being the conductor of a runaway bus, You could take the money, but you had no control over the speed or direction the bus was going!
The western Allied countries implemented price controls, rationing and much other production management as part of the war effort. Of course after the war ended most of those businesses eventually went back to private enterprise.
While I still think the Nazis and Soviet wannabe communists (there has never been and probably never will be a true communist state) were on different parts of the political left/right spectrum, I do agree that the experience and freedom of a regular working-class citizen would have been about the same under Hitler as it was under Stalin. After all, they were both dictators with forces of secret police, no different than Saddam, Gaddafi, or the last Shah of Iran.
Flintlock76 Anyone else can have the last word. Then maybe I'll start on the Red Chinese, although I don't know what else there is to be said on that subject that hasn't been said already.
Talking about the Chinese would get this thread back on topic, before it inevitably gets shut down.
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Psychot BaltACD All countries are using every form of industrial espinogue to secure the secrets from the competition - USA, Japan, Germany, China and any other country that is trying to make products. The US does not conduct industrial espionage. The intelligence community is expressly prohibited from doing so.
BaltACD All countries are using every form of industrial espinogue to secure the secrets from the competition - USA, Japan, Germany, China and any other country that is trying to make products.
All countries are using every form of industrial espinogue to secure the secrets from the competition - USA, Japan, Germany, China and any other country that is trying to make products.
The US does not conduct industrial espionage. The intelligence community is expressly prohibited from doing so.
@Psychot
I take it you haven't worked in the domestic auto industry???.....
Who said the government was involved? Epionage does not require government agency involvement.
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