SD70DudeForget honourary Canuck, I hereby bestow upon you full Canadian citizenship, and full membership in the C.A.S.O, which Miningman and I must get around to starting soon...
I am deeply honoured (note sp.) as that is not a distinction conferred lightly.
The first of the nine-part series is Agents of CASO: Taking the Future Back. (And part of it involves the re-creation, "as a film prop" of course, of a functional TH&B Hudson...)
With all of our friends in here from the Dominion of the North, do we now have (a) Canadian Club? (speaking of a sour mash club)
NKP guyWith all of our friends in here from the Dominion of the North, do we now have (a) Canadian Club?
Speaking as one who has been accorded honourary Canadian citizenship, and who learned to appreciate good rye and ginger from someone I greatly respected (from far upstate New York), if there isn't a Canadian Club I'd like to see one established. (See the Sour Mash thread...)
NKP guy With all of our friends in here from the Dominion of the North, do we now have (a) Canadian Club? (speaking of a sour mash club)
Nice idea. Reading this thread shows an excellent example of tangential thinking in the form of mission creep.
charlie hebdoNice idea. Reading this thread shows an excellent example of tangential thinking in the form of mission creep.
Is there supposed to be a comma before creep?
(wink)
Some might suggest/demand a hyphen "but that would be wrong," RMN.
I was sent to Toronto a couple of times by my company (many years ago) and folk there seemed to use "Cannuk" quite freely in referring to themselves. But, language has its own life and changes with time...
The High School I attended had a mixed student body and nearly 50% referred to themselves with the “n” word, but most of the time there was no intent to insult or claim of being insulted (especially when used by that portion of the students) unless shouted in anger (by anybody of any color). It was just a term like “African-American”, or “Black”.
Of course, I’d be severely reprimanded if I were to spell that word out in the forum today.
When I moved to Cedar Rapids, Iowa, there were a couple of teenagers that lived down the street from me. They were rather foul-mouthed individuals (not unlike many teens then and now). One of the epithets they often hurled at anyone that they didn’t like (or each other) was to call them a “Bo”. I had never heard the term, so I asked about it at work and was told it was a shortened form of “Bohemian” and was considered an objectionable term, (not unlike the “n” word today).
There is an area here known as “Czech Village” that used to have many businesses that were run (at least at one time) by people of Czech (Bohemian) heritage.
A demeaning comment to anyone was to accuse them of coming from the “Bo neighborhood”, much akin to saying they came from the “wrong side of the tracks”.
After the flood of 2008 here, that wiped out a large portion of the downtown area, including the area known as “Czech Village” and the large housing neighborhood around it, the city decided to improve the area on the other side of the river and named it the “NewBo” area (the "NewBo market", banners with that name on every lamppole, etc.).
Every time I read or hear of goings on in that area (lots of money spent on flood protection for the “NewBo” area, but not so much for Czech Village) I wonder if the former residents of that area cringe at the name.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Those really were some ignorant teenagers.
The real epithet they were trying for was/is Bohunk. Like Polak, it's a term that may be used only by members of the group, not outsiders (like Canuck or the n word). In the 1970's some blacks used the term honky, or honkies, as an epithet for whites; this was a corruption of the word Bohunk.
So the offense would not be at the NewBo market, but rather at the NewBohunk market. That would be bad for several reasons!
No Bohemians, be they Czechs or Moravians, take offense at Puccini's use of the name in his opera about poor (French) artists in Paris, but he's not using it in a disparaging way.
Savage TunnelIt's too bad that you feel you have to dominate discussions on both forums,
I don't get it. Why do you feel that Miningman is trying to dominate the discussions? I've always enjoyed his contributions.
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I'm not on the Trains Forums that much at all. My bailiwick is over on Classic, because Railroad history is rich and important. There are really not that many of us over there, fewer still starting threads. I do worry about the future of the Classic Forum though and in addition to my own posts I post on behalf of a former Forum member, who's contributions are quite inspiring, informative and spectacular.
NKP guyThose really were some ignorant teenagers. The real epithet they were trying for was/is Bohunk. Like Polak, it's a term that may be used only by members of the group, not outsiders (like Canuck or the n word). So the offense would not be at the NewBo market, but rather at the NewBohunk market. That would be bad for several reasons! No Bohemians, be they Czechs or Moravians, takes offense at Puccini's use of the name in his opera about poor (French) artists in Paris, but he's not using it in a disparaging way.
The real epithet they were trying for was/is Bohunk. Like Polak, it's a term that may be used only by members of the group, not outsiders (like Canuck or the n word).
No Bohemians, be they Czechs or Moravians, takes offense at Puccini's use of the name in his opera about poor (French) artists in Paris, but he's not using it in a disparaging way.
It wasn't just the teenagers that were ignorant. It was also the two engineers at work that explained to me what the teens were saying! Thanks for the additional info!
To my eyes, which had only limited exposure to Sand Patch Grade more than 20 years ago, that B&O coal train captioned as being eastbound approaching the summit looks more like a westbound approaching the summit, snaking through the reverse curves at Manila, between the east portal of Sand Patch Tunnel and Mance curve. The patchwork of farm land and forest on the distant hillside closely resembles what I remember being there, as well as what's shown on Google Maps today. Someone with more time on their hands than me (lunch break is over...gotta get back to work) might even compare the pole line placement (north side vs. south side, etc.) of the posted photo with other photos from the steam era up into the 70s or 80s taken both at Manila and in the first few miles west of Sand Patch. Poles and wires seem largely gone from the hill now.
For Juniata Man : From David Klepper to Mike and finally to you.
Thank you! Those Jerusalem signals are neat!
If I had to name one thing, I’d say the thing I miss most is cabooses.
After that, I miss E and F units, and trains without either TFC or containers.
NKP guy Can we have a "sour mash" forum instead of sour grapes? Balt, if you haven't written any railroad-related articles or books, you ought to. I think your description of diesels (above) is almost poetic in its imagery. It was easy to imagine being there. The comment about steam fans making diesel fans feel they missed everything worth experiencing made a good point. But there really was something ineffable about steam engines; it's probably why crowds turn out to watch them on the Cuyahoga Valley line; not many stand by to watch first generation diesels there. My gripes: 1. I still miss cabooses. Today, after the locomotives pass by, why stick around? Is watching another hundred freight containers pass by better than the first hundred? 2. I agree with Miningman that watching trains made up of only one type of railcar, to say nothing of containers, are inherently less interesting than the traditional mixed freights that caught my attention when I was young. 3. I miss the freedom to go onto railroad property to take photos, go up into towers to talk to operators, and to talk my way into cab rides. I remember some years ago a discussion here or in the magazine about not only never looking out a dutch door, but to stop publishing photos that were made that way. Imagine! Now we get censorious when we see a published photo of a photograper on RR property. 4. I agree with Flintlock76 (again): It's poor form for any American to use the term Canuck unless it's with friends and everyone's in the same room, just in case someone takes exception and a punch needs to be thrown. 5. The constant back-and-forth discussion about the efficacy of ending LD Amtrak service probably hasn't changed many, if any, minds. Like the topic of abortion in newspaper letters, it amounts to lots of venting and posturing, but no persuading. Still, I don't expect to see the end to either discussion any time soon.
Can we have a "sour mash" forum instead of sour grapes?
Balt, if you haven't written any railroad-related articles or books, you ought to. I think your description of diesels (above) is almost poetic in its imagery. It was easy to imagine being there.
The comment about steam fans making diesel fans feel they missed everything worth experiencing made a good point. But there really was something ineffable about steam engines; it's probably why crowds turn out to watch them on the Cuyahoga Valley line; not many stand by to watch first generation diesels there.
My gripes:
1. I still miss cabooses. Today, after the locomotives pass by, why stick around? Is watching another hundred freight containers pass by better than the first hundred?
2. I agree with Miningman that watching trains made up of only one type of railcar, to say nothing of containers, are inherently less interesting than the traditional mixed freights that caught my attention when I was young.
3. I miss the freedom to go onto railroad property to take photos, go up into towers to talk to operators, and to talk my way into cab rides. I remember some years ago a discussion here or in the magazine about not only never looking out a dutch door, but to stop publishing photos that were made that way. Imagine! Now we get censorious when we see a published photo of a photograper on RR property.
4. I agree with Flintlock76 (again): It's poor form for any American to use the term Canuck unless it's with friends and everyone's in the same room, just in case someone takes exception and a punch needs to be thrown.
5. The constant back-and-forth discussion about the efficacy of ending LD Amtrak service probably hasn't changed many, if any, minds. Like the topic of abortion in newspaper letters, it amounts to lots of venting and posturing, but no persuading. Still, I don't expect to see the end to either discussion any time soon.
I heartily concur.
zardozHowever, be advised before opening this thread that there might be some acrimonious verbiage and behavior.
I think that it is just grand that you have given all the malcontents this venue to polish their skillz. Do you intend to moderate yourself, or just everyone else?
Well I miss the colorful variety of the multiple railroad color schemes. Growing up in a Cincinnati suburb, I would get to Winton Place station where we had B&O, NYC, N&W, & PRR passenger trains. Two RR's with Tuscan Red, NYC with Stainless steel, or grey on grey, and B&O's Blue & grey. Saw B&O's Pacifics including the streamlined Cincinnatian's, but the main line to Washington had E units in the beautiful blue. PRR's K-4s T-1s and E's, N&W's streanlined J's and K's. NYC's Hudons and Niagra's changing to GP's & E's. Now it either a GE or EMD and there are very few color schemes. Amtrak is all the same. Metral used to have the yellow & green painted C&NW, and the RI red Bilevels but now its all stainless steel. But at least we have trains.
Electroliner 1935Well I miss the colorful variety of the multiple railroad color schemes.
Back in those days, seeing a foreign locomotive was beyond rare, except in certain circumstances. Nowadays, it's hard to tell who owns the railroad. I watch the Deshler railcam a lot, and it's one of the more common questions. And one can't blame new visitors for being confused.
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Electroliner 1935 Well I miss the colorful variety of the multiple railroad color schemes. Growing up in a Cincinnati suburb, I would get to Winton Place station where we had B&O, NYC, N&W, & PRR passenger trains. Two RR's with Tuscan Red, NYC with Stainless steel, or grey on grey, and B&O's Blue & grey. Saw B&O's Pacifics including the streamlined Cincinnatian's, but the main line to Washington had E units in the beautiful blue. PRR's K-4s T-1s and E's, N&W's streanlined J's and K's. NYC's Hudons and Niagra's changing to GP's & E's. Now it either a GE or EMD and there are very few color schemes. Amtrak is all the same. Metral used to have the yellow & green painted C&NW, and the RI red Bilevels but now its all stainless steel. But at least we have train
Well I miss the colorful variety of the multiple railroad color schemes. Growing up in a Cincinnati suburb, I would get to Winton Place station where we had B&O, NYC, N&W, & PRR passenger trains. Two RR's with Tuscan Red, NYC with Stainless steel, or grey on grey, and B&O's Blue & grey. Saw B&O's Pacifics including the streamlined Cincinnatian's, but the main line to Washington had E units in the beautiful blue. PRR's K-4s T-1s and E's, N&W's streanlined J's and K's. NYC's Hudons and Niagra's changing to GP's & E's. Now it either a GE or EMD and there are very few color schemes. Amtrak is all the same. Metral used to have the yellow & green painted C&NW, and the RI red Bilevels but now its all stainless steel. But at least we have train
Now it's my turn to hearily concur and to say how much I envy your experiences at Winton Place.
tree68 Electroliner 1935 Well I miss the colorful variety of the multiple railroad color schemes. Back in those days, seeing a foreign locomotive was beyond rare, except in certain circumstances. Nowadays, it's hard to tell who owns the railroad. I watch the Deshler railcam a lot, and it's one of the more common questions. And one can't blame new visitors for being confused.
Electroliner 1935 Well I miss the colorful variety of the multiple railroad color schemes.
Johnny
Convicted OneDo you intend to moderate yourself, or just everyone else?
Who said anything about moderating?
Not my job.
The inconsistancies of Kalmbach forums -
What I find beyond belief - all the Kalmbach forums are not running the same software. This forum does not have spell check like all the forums under 'Trains Magazine' heading. The forum under the 'Classic Trains' heading does have spell check. Beyond these two headings, I don't go into the other headings enough to know how those forums operate.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Yeah, without the spell-check I make sure I go real slow to try and aviod any foul-ups. I don't want to look foolish, at least if I can help it.
It's silly to say I miss something that I've never seen, but you know what I miss? Those colorful billboard boxcars from the 20's and 30's! Freight trains must have been like a rolling art gallery when they were in service!
Of course, they'd be totally impractical in today's graffitti-crazed world. It's bad enough the "taggers" find the Tropicana train an iresistable "canvas."
Flintlock76Of course, they'd be totally impractical in today's graffitti-crazed world. It's bad enough the "taggers" find the Tropicana train an iresistable "canvas."
Same with the "Salad Shooter" reefers from the west coast...
The billboard cars would be cool, but even something besides plain boxcar red with reporting marks (and other required data) would be nice. UP's maps and slogans, even Railbox's "Next Load..." add something to the landscape.
I do wish railroads would be better stewards of what they own. So much of the rolling stock is rolling blight.
It also indicates millions of dollars of equipment is not being used efficiently, and makes one wonder whether the goods in transit are being compromised.
No, all that shows is that most railroad yards are in nondesirable sections of major cities.
zardozNot sure what you mean.... Who said anything about moderating?
Your OP suggested that this thread might absorb contentious behavior from other threads. Contentious behavior in general here places perps at risk of being moderated by "staffers".
I was hoping that you might assume that responsibility for this thread alone, and be a little more permissive.
Backshop No, all that shows is that most railroad yards are in nondesirable sections of major cities.
Sounds like a chicken/egg thing. Which came first - the railroad, or that section of town being undesirable?
tree68Sounds like a chicken/egg thing. Which came first - the railroad, or that section of town being undesirable?
In the United States railroad building (except on the East Coast) happened early enough (c1840-1865) that there were no "bad" sides of town. Towns were small but developing quickly. The simple fact is that railroads were noisy, smoky, not attractive to look at (except to pre-Civil War railfans?), and had workers who built small, inexpensive houses near the railroad shops and yards.
In the Ohio town I live in, a fine old "railroad town," the managing class, so to speak, lived on the west side, the shops and yards were on the east side, so the smoke tended not to drift over the west side's residences, an added benefit to those who could build there.
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