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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, August 22, 2019 6:04 PM

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LOMBARD, Ill. — Precision Scheduled Railroading is helping to lift shippers opinions of railroads according to the recently released State of Logistics report of the Council of Supply Chain Management Professionals. “Railroads did partic...

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2019/07/08-precision-railroading-helped-railroads-do-well-in-the-eyes-of-logistics-managers-report-says

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, July 20, 2019 9:51 PM

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 The best part I saw of General Motors design was placement of the exhaust pipe right under the fuel fill gap for the gas tank on one of their Chevy vans when I worked at GM as an EDS contractor.   An obvious oversight.    

Chrysler did the same thing.  Still own a 1978 Dodge B-300 window van.  The exhaust pipe ( only a single for a 400 V-8 ) is mountd just under the fuel fill opening.  Several times spilled gasoline on the pipe and rapidly vacated the area until it all vaporized. 

You did have the engine shut down didn't you?  Exhaust pipe temperature at its outlet is not high enough to ignite gas.  Temperature at the exhaust manifold is another thing.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, July 20, 2019 6:23 PM

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 The best part I saw of General Motors design was placement of the exhaust pipe right under the fuel fill gap for the gas tank on one of their Chevy vans when I worked at GM as an EDS contractor.   An obvious oversight.   

Chrysler did the same thing.  Still own a 1978 Dodge B-300 window van.  The exhaust pipe ( only a single for a 400 V-8 ) is mountd just under the fuel fill opening.  Several times spilled gasoline on the pipe and rapidly vacated the area until it all vaporized. 

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, July 20, 2019 3:00 PM

I was referring strictly to build quality mistakes, but yes, there could be problems with delivery or 'during storage' -- we always bought 'luxury' cars or the equivalent, so the dealer prep costs usually covered any appearance issues right up to spot touchup on the sly. 

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One involved the road monster sized Caprice Classic of the 1990s....

You mean the design actually related to the Roadmaster, the one that you could spec with LT-1 to go 140mph but still get mid-20s mpg on the highway?  That's something I wouldn't have thought of as a difficult car to brake-proportion...

Turned out in Florida, statistically a lot of them were getting into accidents.   What they found was that older folks with arthritis in their feet and legs could not apply enough foot pounds of pressure to brake the car in time on some higher speed roads where the light would turn to red fast.    And the car would sail right into the intersection even though the driver had a red light.

Bet that's not a size or weight problem, that's an assist problem.  I observed something almost insanely similar on early-80s Lincolns, particularly the Mark VI, where a quick stab on the brakes produced a hard pedal with almost zero depression or actual brake application.  If you kept it pushed down it would quickly 'soften' and go into servo brake application, but if you tried to modulate it for antilock action, you wouldn't get much actual decel, at least not initially.

This was almost the exact opposite of the effect with the hydroboosted 4-wheel disc system on mid-to-late '70s Lincolns, which was and is still the gold standard for how brakes on large vehicles should work.

I was one of the guinea pigs who discovered the little antilock catch-22 on the mechanical ABS-VI systems GM built around that time.  Sooner or later, most GM drivers would wear down some of their brake pads/shoes and either replace them or have a shop do it.  Unbeknownst to the hoi at commercial brake shops, if the antilock brakes had been fired at any point before the replacement was done, a somewhat complicated (and, more importantly, proprietary) resetting of the ABS pistons to a reference position had to be conducted before the vehicle was bled and returned to service.

If that were not done, the effective volume that the ABS system would pump per 'pulse' when the motor ran would be reduced.  This was highly significant because the ABS VI system relied on a spill valve to relieve the line pressure between pumps (otherwise the brakes would lock on instead of modulating) and so the next time the ABS fired it would "pump the brakes" at what might be greatly reduced intensity, with no warning to the driver (who, instead, had been exhorted to 'stomp and steer' without further thinking if a skid developed for any reason).

I discovered this in a '94 diesel 3/4-ton Suburban on a wet day in Shreveport, coming up on traffic stopped for a light.  This was not a particularly rapid approach, but slick enough that the ABS started firing, well back of the stopped traffic.  I stomped and steered -- with perfect steering response, weaving through gaps in the stopped cars, up onto a grassy median and back down again in front of all the stopped cars, and around into the direction of traffic on the cross street, probably over 400' total.  Felt exactly like having two glass plates rubbing together with oil in between ... viscous, but not particularly decelerating.

Note that any 'test' of the brake system would have revealed perfect hydraulic actuation at an arbitrarily high pressure absent actuation of the ABS, and of course no mechanical problem with the lines or pump of the ABS system itself.  So who would the police and the insurance company blame for this adventure?  "Going too fast for conditions"?  So my ears *** up any time I hear a GM product with this system 'sailing right into an intersection' whether driven by old folks or not.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, July 20, 2019 11:52 AM

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There was always a little list of problems when you received your new car in those years that the dealer would have to fix

Remember back then?   Most of the the railroad auto carriers were open air and not even enclosed.   Probably not a lot of kids throwing rocks back then but still, passing trains would create a draft at times and kick up debris or have debris blow out of boxcars with their doors open or ice falling from tunnel roofs.

The best part I saw of General Motors design was placement of the exhaust pipe right under the fuel fill gap for the gas tank on one of their Chevy vans when I worked at GM as an EDS contractor.   An obvious oversight.   I got to talk with one of the auto design engineers once over lunch and he would tell me about all sorts of snafu's they would find after the car entered production.    One involved the road monster sized Caprice Classic of the 1990s.    Turned out in Florida, statistically a lot of them were getting into accidents.   What they found was that older folks with arthritis in their feet and legs could not apply enough foot pounds of pressure to brake the car in time on some higher speed roads where the light would turn to red fast.    And the car would sail right into the intersection even though the driver had a red light.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, July 20, 2019 11:35 AM

The 70's were a horror show for automobiles - no matter who was building them - US - Japan - W. Germany - England - Sweden - Norway.

Short sighted engineering solutions, build quality issues and on and on.

Masocist that I am - I still have my 1979 Triumph TR7 Convertible - about ready to turn the clock (odometer) to 59K (real clock doesn't work).  It is my Sunny Day toy car and hasn't had the top up for about 30 years.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, July 20, 2019 11:20 AM

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Nope - 70's cars had emissions equipment that killed both performance and fuel economy and that 'technology' continued through the early 80's.

He's referring more to build quality than fundamental engineering.  It was a nightmare to get a car built right from the factory in those years, one problem being that the folks making them didn't always distinguish screwing together from screwing up.  To this day I can't get the soft boot cover on my '76 Cadillac because the snaps for it weren't put on right ... doors hung funny, plastic trim didn't fit, thin steel to save money that would deflect badly if you put your knee against the door panel ... and this is a car that listed for $13,500 in 1975!  There was always a little list of problems when you received your new car in those years that the dealer would have to fix ... after which you were likelier than not to have a 'new problem' when you got it back.

Now, I remember thinking what a terrible thing for the American car industry it would be if the Japanese got around to making Lincolns, which of course they subsequently dld in the Deming era where the Japanese embraced good quality control to go with a go-go industrial attitude.  It helped that they had no Walter Reuther cultural antagonism, too -- something I keep waiting for railroad managements to think about, but they never seem to care.

I well remember the fun American automakers had approximating technological features before the rise of too-cheap-to-meter electronics.  Does anyone here remember the magic box that brought Chrysler Panelescent lighting (which you have to see to believe) to life?  Or the early-calculator-speed "electronic fuel injection" on early-'80s Imperials 'that was so bad dealers had to have a program to retrofit carburetors.  Now imagine the convergence zone between cheap economy pricing and 'planned product obsolescence' that was the low end of American production.

Friend of mine had a Vega when I was in college; I loved that car.  Of course, come to find it was a Cosworth Vega, not really representative of ljne-build Verta-Pak optimized commodity production. 

The big thing the Japanese did was ... well. does anyone remember those 'coming financial crisis' books of the '70s?  One of them, I think in the mid-Seventies, spoke with horror of a not-too-future age in which a Volkwagen ... shudder! ... would cost SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS!  Tha Japanese, assisted in no small part by the fuel crisis, brought about a world in which small cheap cars sold by arrogant people could be sold for seven, and then much more, dollars.  And for that price it became possible to start providing real features and build quality.  And for American companies to start designing actual small cars instead of the laughable domestic 'compacts' and rebadged European or Asian offerings that we used to see.  (One of the turning points I remember fas the Ford Contour/Mystique, which I recall as famously involving over $2 billion of development money to build a 'world car' -- was there any domestic line at any price that commanded that amount before then?)

We've come a long way from analyst perceptions of the tropes of PSR.

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Posted by zardoz on Saturday, July 20, 2019 11:12 AM

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Had several Japanese vehicles - 73 Honda Civic - broke the camshaft drive gear at about 45K miles.  78 Honda Accord - front fenders rusted out - odometer cable broke among other issues.  82 Toyota Cressida - siezed engine,

'75 Toyota Celica. By 50K, it needed: a valve job, a spedometer, alternator, carburator, gas gauge,and I was getting 30mpQ (miles per quart of oil). I would keep track of how many quarts of oil I would add, then figure how many miles I had driven of the tank of gas so far....

And that was on a vehicle that had almost all highway miles. Traded it in on a CJ5, and have been a Jeeper ever since.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, July 20, 2019 8:57 AM

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American cars of the 70's and 80's weren't much better.

 

 

 

Surely you are joking.

The steel of the day was pretty poor, too.  Everything rusted out.

Saw it in the fire service, too.  That's probably one reason for the proliferation of aluminum and stainless fire truck bodies now.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, July 20, 2019 8:25 AM

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American cars of the 70's and 80's weren't much better. 

Surely you are joking.

Nope - 70's cars had emissions equipment that killed both performance and fuel economy and that 'technology' continued through the early 80's.  It wasn't until the late 80's that computers and EFI started to become commonplace and both performance and fuel economy improved.  Emissions control using carburators was using sledge hammers as fly swatters - barely effective

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Friday, July 19, 2019 11:02 PM

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American cars of the 70's and 80's weren't much better.

 

Surely you are joking.

 

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, July 19, 2019 9:31 PM

China Built A Railroad to Nowhere in Kenya

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, July 19, 2019 8:08 PM

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If you are one of us old-timers, then you might remember from the '60s when "Made in Japan" was a euphemism for "A real piece of junk"?

My father got tired of the insulting and poor excuses for American car sales and 'service'; we were Volkswagen and Toyota owners from then on. Later Soichiro Honda showed that clever engineering and great marketing can produce and sell vehicles surpassing American counterparts in fuel economy and reliability. I'm still waiting (but not holding my breath) for this country's modern equivalents of the Honda Super Cub and Civic CVCC. 'Mericans seem to want giant SUVs with giant hip-hop dental grilles. But I digress.

Had several Japanese vehicles - 73 Honda Civic - broke the camshaft drive gear at about 45K miles.  78 Honda Accord - front fenders rusted out - odometer cable broke among other issues.  82 Toyota Cressida - siezed engine, DEALER installing the replacement CUT the Main Wiring Harness that ran behind the head of the inline 6 cylinder engine.  Operated fine until the slop (rain, snow, salt etc.) of late Fall and early Winter - various things would stop working and then start working.

Japanese Quality.

American cars of the 70's and 80's weren't much better.

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Posted by MikeF90 on Friday, July 19, 2019 6:53 PM

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If you are one of us old-timers, then you might remember from the '60s when "Made in Japan" was a euphemism for "A real piece of junk"?

Not from my teenage viewpoint. Most American-made living room stereo equipment was total crap in a fancy wood cabinet. That is when I learned to buy Japanese (Sony, Teac) and German (Dual, Sennheiser) component electronics for my musical enjoyment.

My father got tired of the insulting and poor excuses for American car sales and 'service'; we were Volkswagen and Toyota owners from then on. Later Soichiro Honda showed that clever engineering and great marketing can produce and sell vehicles surpassing American counterparts in fuel economy and reliability. I'm still waiting (but not holding my breath) for this country's modern equivalents of the Honda Super Cub and Civic CVCC. 'Mericans seem to want giant SUVs with giant hip-hop dental grilles. But I digress.

It is hard to see how tariffs will 'encourage' an existing American manufacturing company to invest in bringing production back. An entrepreneur with deep pockets might do it, but that's a 'long game' as Tesla watchers know ...

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Friday, July 19, 2019 8:11 AM

These companies know however that China if they stay after the Trade war is over will more than likely go back to what they were doing before it started.  Why they are China and could care less about what a contract states as most of them have seen their previous contracts declared null and void by the Chinese Government and had new ones imposed upon them by Chinese officials.  

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Posted by rdamon on Friday, July 19, 2019 7:33 AM

This list will only get longer

China scrambles to stem manufacturing exodus as 50 companies leave

To counter tariff blow, government eases restrictions and offers perks

 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Trade-war/China-scrambles-to-stem-manufacturing-exodus-as-50-companies-leave

 

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Posted by rdamon on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 3:17 PM

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rdamon

This will move from China to another country where it can be done cheaper, just like it did from Japan, Korea, Taiwan before. 

 

 

 

If you are one of us old-timers, then you might remember from the '60s when "Made in Japan" was a euphemism for "A real piece of junk"? Not so much anymore.

 

 

I have been fighting membership, but keep getting close every year. I guess it beats the alternative.

I remember the same worry about Japan and it got worse in the 90's when they went on a buying spree.

Things have a way of correcting themselves (Unlike the spell-check here)

 

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 1:51 PM

As to "junk" from the Orient, I recently ordered an alarm clock from a mail order house, and received what was purported to be such that was made in China. It would not alarm, nor would it run--and if you were not careful, a pin holding the base in place would drop out. I sent it back, calling it a piece of "Chinese junk,"  asking that if they could send me one that would perform, do so. They returned what I had paid, less the cost of shipping it back. I have not dealt with that company since.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 1:27 PM

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As it turned out a pile of junk that one could actually see rust away from one hour to the next. Not sure the Datsun would have been any better or worse though. 

There was a period where all steel seemed to be junk and everything seemed to rust away before your eyes.  For fire trucks, it seemed to coincide with the era of "safety yellow" (often known as "slime yellow" or "slime green."  Those rusty flourescent fire trucks may have been one reason the color didn't catch on.

Datsun reminds me of a joke.

They had designed the car but couldn't figure out what to call it.  Desperate, they called on a German for advice.  When he asked when they needed an answer, they told him, like, yesterday.  His reply?  "Dat soon?"

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Posted by Ulrich on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 1:02 PM

zardoz

 

 
rdamon

This will move from China to another country where it can be done cheaper, just like it did from Japan, Korea, Taiwan before. 

 

 

 

If you are one of us old-timers, then you might remember from the '60s when "Made in Japan" was a euphemism for "A real piece of junk"? Not so much anymore.

 

 

 

I guess I belong to the old timers club then (although in the 70s).. can well remember shopping for my first used car.. came down to a choice between a Ford Bobcat and some kind of Datsun. I chose the Ford (beautiful red with mag wheels.. thus suitable transportation to my teenaged brain). As it turned out a pile of junk that one could actually see rust away from one hour to the next. Not sure the Datsun would have been any better or worse though. 

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Posted by zugmann on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:28 AM

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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:27 AM

rdamon

This will move from China to another country where it can be done cheaper, just like it did from Japan, Korea, Taiwan before. 

 

If you are one of us old-timers, then you might remember from the '60s when "Made in Japan" was a euphemism for "A real piece of junk"? Not so much anymore.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:07 AM

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Doesn't this belong over on the US growth thread?

It was an upturn in the downturn, to use layman's language, rather than a downturn in the upturn.  So perhaps more applicable there than here, where there's a downturn in the rate of upturn of the downturn.

Or something.

Laumer could be a genius at this sort of thing.

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:06 AM

Or on some jingoistic anti-Sino thread on Breitbart.   When domestic problems threaten wannabe autocrats,  play the "foreign enemies" or Red scare card.  It's been done many times in many places before. 

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:58 AM

Overmod
Reminds me of the refined psychostatistical techniques that detected the abnormal rate of increase in the rate of decrease of the expansion of the trend toward reduction of increasing (rather than unceasing) berp-nut consumption...

Doesn't this belong over on the US growth thread?

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:29 AM

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The last quarter the economists that monitor the Chinese economy were expecting 8% they barely reached 5 based on offical figures released by the government.  From what my husband was told the riots in Hong Kong were a result of what the truth really was they did not even make that.

Reminds me of the refined psychostatistical techniques that detected the abnormal rate of increase in the rate of decrease of the expansion of the trend toward reduction of increasing (rather than unceasing) berp-nut consumption...

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 7:59 AM

Murphy the Chinese government spends on average enough to grow their economy 5-10% a year alone just on expanding their infastructure on projects such as their HSR network their highways and other massive projects like that.  The last quarter the economists that montior the Chinese economy were expecting 8% they barely reached 5 based on offical figures released by the government.  From what my husband was told the riots in Hong Kong were a result of what the truth really was they did not even make that.  Thats why the Chinese Government tried to seize assets of businesses based out of Hong Kong that were leaving China to prop up their numbers.  He's been told that the actual number was closer to -10 Percent but the Media and Government of China would never release that why it would cause 1 widespread panic in China and 2 make the President here look good for standing up to China worldwide and might give other nations the idea that they can do the same to the Chinese government.  China is scared to death right now that they are going to implode if we stand firm that is why they threatened the last card they have in the deck to withhold Rare earth metals from Export to the US.  However there are sources outside of China for all of them just no refining capacity yet.  So we have to build those up. 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:55 PM

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China is getting scared as hell why they were expecting about a 8% with all the government spending growth in the GDP.  They had a less than 5% actual growth due to the tariffs.  That means their economy shrunk overall 3%.  Yes they showed a positive expansion however if you removed all the government expansion in spending they had a shrinking economy. This is the first time they ever had a shrinking economy in the last 3 decades ever since they started making everything for the world.  People that know say it is about to hit the fan in China and get a heck of a lot worse overthere in the next 6 months. 

 

I can't agree with how you do your math. "..less than 5% actual growth" does not mean " their economy shrunk overall 3%". It means their economy grew.

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Posted by Euclid on Tuesday, July 16, 2019 3:31 PM

 

It seems that our Administration thought they could push China into a quick surrender in the matter of the trade imbalance.  It would be quick so, it would not have time to get messy.  But I think China was suddenly taken aback by being characterized as criminals by the leader of the free world.  We backed them right into a corner and demanded they march to our tune. 

But they have made it clear that their tactic will be to delay.  They will take the long road.  They will give tariffs time to work on us as well as on them.  It will demonstrate to the American people that we have been lied to about U.S. tariffs on China not hurting the U.S.  We are approaching a critical time of decision in the U.S.  China will give tariffs time to become the centerpiece of the table as we head into this time of decision.  In this way, China will win the trade war by getting rid of the ones who started it.   

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