OK, I just have to know, HOW do you pronounce "Uinta?"
Is it "you-in-ta" or "ween-ta?" Or something else?
As the poet Stephen Vincent Benet' once said, "I've fallen in love with American names..."
Even the ones I can't figure out!
I've heard you-EEN-tah from my brother-in-law in Colorado. He's a recent transplant from the Northeast, so I can't guarantee he pronounced it correctly.
For starters, the name is the Uintah Railway. It ceased operations in 1939.
Flintlock76OK, I just have to know, HOW do you pronounce "Uinta?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckDiVXqsv4
That robot voice sounds like "you-it-tah." Is the robot right?
Per this site, there are supposed to be about 300 billion barrels of oil in the shale in Utah. Read down to the fourth paragraph. For comparison, the Bakken has been estimated at between 4.4 billion and 11.4 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil on a field estimated at 24 billion barrels.
https://geology.utah.gov/resources/energy/oil-shale/
The Uinta and Bakken are hardly comparable. The Bakken is actually liquid oil that is produced thru now common lateral drilling and fracking. The Uinta reserves are kerogen which needs to be mined or extracted by some other intensive process, and then cooked to produce some usable product.
Mostly true. Most of that 300 billion is kerogen. Yet there is oil being extracted from the Uinta Basin, though not yet on the scale of the Bakken, and there is more that could be produced.
https://www.americangeosciences.org/critical-issues/maps/interactive-map-oil-and-gas-resources-utah
Here is a dated article about the potential future resources in the basins straddling the Utah-Wyoming-Colorado borders. Not yet economical as oil prices are too low right now, but one also has to think that American innovation will eventually figure out a way to lower the extraction cost. Time will tell.
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/american-oil-find-holds-oil-opec/story?id=17536852
Flintlock76 That robot voice sounds like "you-it-tah." Is the robot right?
Johnny
charlie hebdo For starters, the name is the Uintah Railway. It ceased operations in 1939.
Deggesty Flintlock76 That robot voice sounds like "you-it-tah." Is the robot right? It seems to me that You IN ta correct, from I have heard local TV reporters say.
It seems to me that You IN ta correct, from I have heard local TV reporters say.
Thanks Johnny! Up until I got your confirmation and given a lack of consensus I was going to exercise my right as a New Jersey native and pronounce it any way I wanted to! Now that's not necessary.
Wayne
You're welcome, Wayne. Another note as to the pronunciation--as I was returning from my most important rail trip ever (I was on the City of Portland, headed for Chicago., I asked the UP conductor about the identity of the mountains to the south of the train, and he told that they were the U-IN-tas.
When I was young one of the 'rail fan fascinations' in Trains and MR was the Uintah/Sumpter Valley "Mallet Mogul" 2-6-6-2T (there were two of them, with an early brass model a thing of excitement). It was my impression that the name was pronounced something like oo-EEN-tah (where the middle is between pure 'ee' and the short I of 'win', like the middle of the audio clips at howtopronounce.com)
I never saw the name spelled anything other than 'Uintah' so was starting to bridle at the shorter spelling. Then I remembered "Wahsatch"...
I can’t believe people are considering new construction these days, especially on this scale. When BN build in the Powerder River Basin in the 80s they had to sacrifice something’s elsewhere to make sure they had enough finances, for example they had to keep F units on the roster for alot longer than other lines. Can people really afford to build a new railroad? You’d need perfect conditions to do so if you ask me.
Regards, Isaac
I model my railroad and you model yours! I model my way and you model yours!
kgbw49Here is a dated article about the potential future resources in the basins straddling the Utah-Wyoming-Colorado borders. Not yet economical as oil prices are too low right now, but one also has to think that American innovation will eventually figure out a way to lower the extraction cost. Time will tell. https://abcnews.go.com/Business/american-oil-find-holds-oil-opec/story?id=17536852
Back when I was a Geology grad student almost 50 years ago, they were talking about different proposals for tapping the Colorado/Utah oil shales. I'm not holding my breath.
http://uintabasinrailway.com/
Looks like the preferred route is parallel to Highway 191.
it is being proposed by a coalition of seven counties.
It looks like the proposed extension of the D&SL from Craig
This project reminds me of the Six County Assocation of Governments' 2001 proposal to build a new 43 mile line to Sevier, mainly to serve a large coal mine. I guess that the coal slump is the reason why that project languished.
http://utahrails.net/utahrails/six-county.php
I see that Sevier County has now joined the Seven County Coalition. I see they also have a Moab to Winslow, AZ proposal. I guess these isolated counties can dream.
http://scic-utah.org/projects/moab-arizona-rail-line
True that. They haven't even started with the inevitable environmental group lawsuits. It will be decades if ever.
kgbw49 http://uintabasinrailway.com/ Looks like the preferred route is parallel to Highway 191. it is being proposed by a coalition of seven counties.
CSS, Who needs economic justification!! It's the Govm't talking and they are always rich.
mudchicken charlie hebdo For starters, the name is the Uintah Railway. It ceased operations in 1939. Different railroad, different endpoints, different gauge, and certainly different alignment curvature and grades. Had finances been different, BigBoy might have had a narrow gauge brother.
Different railroad, different endpoints, different gauge, and certainly different alignment curvature and grades. Had finances been different, BigBoy might have had a narrow gauge brother.
Never built, never got off the drawing board. Not a railroad.
The Navajo Nation is trying to keep the Black Mesa coal mine open, even if its customer, the Navajo power plant in Page is shutting down. The tribe would take over ownership of the BM & LP line connecting both. It wouldn't be that much of a challenge to run a rail line from Black Mesa to the BNSF main line, connecting somewhere between Winslow and Holbrook.
BOB WITHORN Just read in RT&S, that the Utah coalition selected Drexel Hamilton to finance and build the new railroad. They are partnered with Rio Grande Pacific to operate it when done. Thought this was dead and gone. Seems I read somewhere that the Basin holds more oil than anywhere else? Should be interesting.
https://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2010/3010/pdf/FS10-3010.pdf
Page 3 indicates 1.32 trillion barrels locked in the Uinta Basin oil shale. However, it is my understanding that much of it would need some type of processing after initial extraction before it could be refined and so is not yet competitive in the marketplace.
https://pubs.er.usgs.gov/publication/ds69DD
Read the abstract paragraph.
The Green River Basin in Wyoming has 1.44 trillion barrels embedded in the oil shale and the Piceance Basin in Colorado has 1.53 trillion barrels embedded in the oil shale.
At some point in time, at some price, we will figure out a way to turn that in to useable, marketable oil.
Not at today's price of $30 per barrel.
Right, not at $30 per barrel. It may be 200 years from now after the existing proven world-wide reserves of 1.73 trillion barrels are depleted.
There are also more traditional oil reserves in the Uinta Basin.
The numbers I could find on a quick search - 24 million barrels of oil and 280 billion feet of natural gas produced in 2016.
https://geology.utah.gov/map-pub/survey-notes/uinta-basin-produced-water/
Production could increase with more lateral wells, apparently. But not at $30 per barrel. Although at $30 per barrel everyone is losing money so expect to see that rise back up after not too long at that level.
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As to the advisibility of a railroad into the area, US 40 is a two lane highway, and many people who drive there and back do not like the truck traffic. I last went through Vernal 12 years ago, and the traffic was not bad then.
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